Avoiding sharked pokemon

[Xtra]

When I trade between GBA's, what should I do to avoid sharked pokemon?

 

[water types rule]

Well don't accept a lvl 20 Lugia or a lvl 5 Mew or something suspicious like that.

 

[PDL]

don't shark?

anyway, such discussion isn't allowed...

 

[Blazichu]

I think this topic is pointless

 

[WhiteWizard42]

I think this topic is pointless

so you think it's ok to spam in it?

on topic: if you have emerald, you can always see where the pokemon came from before you trade for it. and if you see, for a lugia, met lv 70, pattern bush or something, it's a sure thing it's sharked. it harder in ru/sa, because you can't tell where it's come from if it was caught on FR/LG. obviously, avoid legendary dogs under lv 40, the bird trio or lugia under 50, groudon/kyogre under 45, lati@s under 40, or mewtwo, ho-oh, or rayquaza under 70.

also, if you know the levels and locations that pokemon can be caught at in he various games, it really helps. and keep in mind that they can be "caught" at level 5 by being hatched.

or you could ask the person you're trading with. they're sometimes truthful, because why wouldn't they be?

 

[The Organizer]

why would you care if it was sharked or not? i mean a traded poke is a traded poke, its not like its posion. Anyway be sure of where it came from and from what level it was found.

 

[MetaKnight]

t could sometimes corrupt your game.

just look at all the games and see what was the minimum level you can catch it at and if its lower do not accept it.
also do not accept a lv2 shiny zigzaggon with pokerus and a dot and aeroblast,zap cannon,sacred fire ans metronome

 

[Dizrythmia]

If the person who sharks them knows what they're doing unfortunately there is no way to tell regardless of what anyone else tells you. I admit I used my AR to get tickets to Pokemon that we'll never get in Australia (call it my personal protest to Nintendo AU) but I catch them legitimately every time. Celebi.... that's my only weakness, but I'm desperate to get that Japanese disc & get a real one (name your price, & I mean that!!). I don't like cheating the Pokemon themselves. However I have been told the following about the Celebi being given away at the special events in the US:

Celebi and all the Top Twenty Pokemon will have the OT "10 ANIV" and Trainer ID 00010.

Also, their OT will be in Red and this is Celebi's moveset:
Ancient Power
Future Sight
Baton Pass
Perish Song

All pokemon are at level 70.

With that info I could make you that Celebi right now & you'd never know the difference. You could trade it, play it in Colosseum, whatever takes your fancy. I've been asked to "make Pokemon" & I refuse. I have someone hassling me for a shiny charmander & I won't do it. What's the point? Shinies are rare for a reason, why take away the excitement you feel when you find one in the wild, or hatch one from an egg? Clocking nearly 300 hours between Ruby & Fire Red, I've only seen one shiny (a Numel for those who are curious) but I didn't know it was shiny & KOed it Legendaries are rare for a reason as well. It's called bragging rights for a lot of people

In my games I want every single Pokemon to be caught legitimately, & that's what I'll do. I think I've gone off on a tangent though. Back to the original point, sadly if the person knows what they're doing there's no way of telling sorry to say. You just have to trust the person you're trading with. I wouldn't trade any legendaries or shinies as a rule, unless you KNOW the person had a legit means of getting them & got them that way. I mean if they 6 Mewtwos in their party then something is probably more than a bit suss (or they have too much time on their hands).

If you don't know the person that well, don't trade. If you're this conflicted about it though, I'm guessing that it IS a legendary you're going to be trading & have your doubts about it. Follow the rules of everyone else here, know the Pokemon, know the stats, know the moves & know where it can be caught/obtained & at what level. Do your research!!!

 

[DarkSpectrum]

why would you care if it was sharked or not? i mean a traded poke is a traded poke, its not like its posion. Anyway be sure of where it came from and from what level it was found.

cheated pokemon void your game and game system's warranty, almost always can never trade up to pokemon XD and the system official tourneys use for matches, and can HORRIBLY glitch your game. It can happen so don't try any of this "well it's never happened to me" cuz u just came out lucky.

ON TOPIC: The best way to avoid cheated pokemon, Ask the person whether they own a GS or AR first. If the answer is yes, they probably cheated in some way. If no, then ask if they ever cheated for anything on their game or whether they recieved any cheated items/pokemon. The ask if they've ever had trouble with disobbedient pokemon (cheated forms of some pokemon often times don't obey **congratz nintendo for messing this up for cheaterz**). Also ask if they've ever come across missingno/badeggs **congratz to nintendo for putting in these taletell signs**.
Next best way is to know your pokemon. Check their level, movesets, trainer ID, etc etc to see if it all matches up.
If all This still matches up, i'd say trade. Seeing as not too many people are that sadistically evil to lie about cheated pokemon and make them seem like legitamite ones.
If their is anymore concern and you have access to pokemon XD for gamecube, Try uploading them to it. XD is one of the best detectors for cheated pokemon.
Good Luck on your trading and congratz on being an upstanding pokemon player that does not want ill-gained pokemon.

 

[Xtra]

If you don't know the person that well, don't trade. If you're this conflicted about it though, I'm guessing that it IS a legendary you're going to be trading & have your doubts about it. Follow the rules of everyone else here, know the Pokemon, know the stats, know the moves & know where it can be caught/obtained & at what level. Do your research!!!

The reason for the conflict is that I don't know anybody that lives near me that also plays pokemon (being 21 doesn't help either). So the only chance I'll have to trade is at JAA (I'll be at the Mall Of America one in Minnesota, if anyone's wondering).

why would you care if it was sharked or not? i mean a traded poke is a traded poke, its not like its posion.

The reason is that I may want to use these pokemon in Colloseum or XD

anyway, such discussion isn't allowed...

If I was asking for codes, yes, that probably wouldn't be allowed. But I'm doing just the opposite.

 

[Kev Chi]

groudon/kyogre under 45

Groundon and Kyogre are Lvl 40 in R/S. Otherwise, any lower then that, they are cheated pokes. Like everyone else has said, you have to look at the details(Trainer ID and stuff like that). Trust me, cheated pokes will mess up your game. (Remembers Red and Blue with MissingNo)

 

[MetalMario]

I don't believe receiving a cheated poke flags your game. If you're worried about trading something good away, you could see if you could do the trade through XD. It does a pretty good job of filtering out hack pokes, I've heard.

 

[WhiteWizard42]

no, you catch kyogre/groudon at level 45 in the cave of origin in ruby/sapphire, or 70 in marine/terra(?) cave in emerald.

 

[Dizrythmia]

I don't believe receiving a cheated poke flags your game. If you're worried about trading something good away, you could see if you could do the trade through XD. It does a pretty good job of filtering out hack pokes, I've heard.

You're right, a lot of people in this thread & others who are saying that cheated Pokemon ruin your game clearly have never done it or are inexperienced at it. In my current games the only "cheated" Pokemon I have is Celebi. I'll admit it, but when I get the Colosseum bonus disc he's gone & I'll be getting a real one for keeps. He's strictly there to make the numbers in the 'dex.

Before Red/Green came out, I used to cheat a lot of the older unavailable Pokemon like Mew, Celebi & the original starters. I had some dodgy ones to start with that didn't work, but the simple fact is (& this is coming from someone who has done it, not someone speculating who is trying to put you off Action Replays) that if you use the right codes the Pokemon will appear 100% genuine in all games.

The nay-sayers have their reasons for putting people off & I fully agree with their reasons why, but let's be honest here: The right codes WILL work 100%, completely undetected by any game/event whatever. That is fact. I've done it. Should you do it? NO. It does ruin the game. Action Replayed Pokemon destroyed the game for me the first time around & I hadn't touched it since FR/LG came out. I bought them both but played them for a few days & that was it. It was ruined for me.

Recently I was helping a friend transfer some Pokemon using Box (he didn't have a copy), & it got me interested in the whole thing again. I cleared all my Action Replayed Pokemon, backed up the real ones (I kept them in their own box so I could tell them apart), & the only "bad" thing I've done is duplicate my level 100 Celebi from Crystal, & put it into Fire Red. Again I say he's going when I find that disc. The other thing I've done is to give myself all the tickets which Nintendo Australia will never do for us here, so I don't consider that "cheating", more a "necessity" if I want to get the most out of the game.

I'm not encouraging anyone to start using an Action Replay. What I'm simply saying is that with the right code you can get away with it & nothing will happen to your game, the Pokemon will appear 100% genuine. It WILL ruin your game in a sense that a lot of the fun & challenge goes out the window. So really, while the nay sayers are incorrect (or lying) about the facts of the matter,they have your best interests when they tell you not to use one. I'm sticking with them on that one. Learn your lesson from my mistake: Don't use one to create Pokemon, there's really no point & it will destroy the Pokemon experience.

 

[DarkSpectrum]

You're right, a lot of people in this thread & others who are saying that cheated Pokemon ruin your game clearly have never done it or are inexperienced at it. In my current games the only "cheated" Pokemon I have is Celebi. I'll admit it, but when I get the Colosseum bonus disc he's gone & I'll be getting a real one for keeps. He's strictly there to make the numbers in the 'dex.

Nothing shows that cheating for anything on a game can be bad better than what i've seen. I used to work in walmart's electronics dept. and you know what i've seen. Games that no longer boot, systems that no longer read media or glitch or are just plain unusable. And ya know what, your game and system warranties are automatically voided at that point and you have to replace them out of pocket. Last time i did any cheating on a game system was the super nintendo. And after so much use there... that thing never worked quite right anymore.
Don't justify using cheats by saying they don't do anything because they may not have done anything to you yet, but there is a good chance that you will encounter it in the future. And i'm sure that some n00b that sees ya'll saying nothing happens when you cheat and then goes out and destroys his stuff tryin to go on your advice will not be very happy with you then.
Cheating is an At-Your-Own-Risk thing and ya'll need to understand that. Don't tell people that there is no risk because clearly you are the ones that have not seen the damage it can do

 

[-=Darkness of Umbreon=-]

What everyone is saying is, just look for anything suspisous. Also know where it came from. But if your useing like the wireless one, I don't think there is any problem.

 

[Waffles]

I don't believe receiving a cheated poke flags your game.

Two words, BAD EGG.

Gamefreak made the Advance games *****es to hack. In order to hack in completly working monsters, one would have to enter a multitude of codes.They did this in hopes of keeping people from distributing event Pokémon, which would stop people from going to events. As a matter of fact, hacked Mews and Deoxys do not respond to you in Fire Red or Leaf Green, even after obtaining the 8th badge. Another glitch that occurs in all of the games is bad spots in your PC. Certain positions in the PC start turning Pokémon into BAD EGGs, which are basically dummy eggs that do not hatch. Hacked shiny Pokémon on Emerald cannot learn moves as well.

The worst part of all this is that trading in hacked monsters will cause these intentional glitches to occur. This happens because Game Freak wanted to keep people from using a safety cart to trade the hacked monsters out of in order to cushion the effects of hacking. So, before trading with a stranger, just ask if they used a cheating device on the game. This way, you can ensure your Pokémon GSTD (Game Shark Transmitted Disease) free lives.

 

[Mega Trickster]

There are some people who are so good at sharking Pokemon that all their information is correct. Like a Kyogre they found at level 5 but the memo says 45. Although it is unlikely you will run into someone with this level of skill - your best option is to ask if they own a GS/AR and have used it on their game.

 

[MetalMario]

Dizrythmia, Waffles, you both seem to be representing opposing views on the matter. I think the actual way things work is somewhere in between, leaning on Waffles's side, though.

Waffles: I'm totally aware that the games back up their algorithms to prevent tampering, perhaps to multiple levels, and that pulling off an indetectible cheat is extremely difficult and that, perhaps, no one knows how, but I just don't believe that GF would design things so that the flagging spreads. I mean, if you trade a flagged Pokémon to an otherwise legit cart, the Pokémon should retain the flag, but it shouldn't spread; that's just wrong, and opens up the opportunity for game sabotage to go on. EVERYONE who's been in a type of community (a school, for instance) where regular trading's going on would get "flagged" and not know why, and they'd all be ineligible for tournaments and special events (not that they happen, anyway, but the point holds). Is this what Nintendo wants? I don't think so. If they did, they just wouldn't hold tourneys. Do you have any proof that, if you trade a cheat poke into an otherwise legit cart then release the cheat poke, that the non-cheated cart remains flagged? I don't think Nintendo puts viruses on their carts; I didn't think you could even trade Bad Eggs.

Dizrythmia: I'll agree that it's possible to construct a perfect cheat, but I don't believe anyone's done it yet. I don't even think any commonplace cheat devices are sophisticated enough to allow for it. (I'm not sure about this since I don't own one; they might have progressed some since the Game Boy Classic Game Genie. I haven't looked at one since.) Nintendo knows people will try to cheat on their games. They also know that the devices they use are rather primitive; limited, usually, to altering bytes of data in RAM/ROM, and that they are blind to what data's already there. (extremely pathetic from a developer's sense) Therefore, Nintendo can easily put in checks to prevent many types of cheats from happening. In fact, I believe Nintendo is letting us cheat. Instead of locking things down, altogether (which would likely just hasten the development of more sophisticated cheats (beyond the level of Gameshark/Action replay)), they let us cheat, quietly slipping in flags (invisible ingame) that would slip under the radar of the people developing the cheats. Since it seemingly does nothing, why try to defeat it? (not to mention that defeating it would also be beyond the level of commonplace cheat devices) Unless you've actually taken a look at the assembly and understand it, or at least properly inspected the save file plus Link data sent in trading, don't assume your cheats are flawless.

 

[Dizrythmia]

Don't justify using cheats by saying they don't do anything because they may not have done anything to you yet, but there is a good chance that you will encounter it in the future.

EASY there tiger. I got Ruby on release, & 3 years later nothing has happened. We used to host tournaments for a card shop, & while I never entered any cheated Pokemon, we tried it out for a test & it certainly worked. The codes were 40+ lines long, & it took ages to enter them but they worked fine. Your little 2-3 line codes DON'T work 100%, that's a fact. Those damaged games are probably the result of those codes.

I'm not "justifying" anything & I never said there was NO risk. If there is I just haven't found it yet. I'm openly telling people NOT to do it, so I don't think there's any need to go off at me there. I am saying that, yes in my experience it is an option & being someone who is very experienced at doing it, I can get around the "Pokemon misbehaving" issues & whatnot, but I don't. I'm saying, "yes you CAN do it, but DON'T". Why lie to people & tell them it's impossible? I'm all for discouraging people, but telling lies about it, especially when a lot of you admit to having never done it isn't helping the argument. There are others out there who know different.

I'm here, saying I've done it, & it's worked in every test I've put on it, trading, battling, Colosseum, & tournaments. I don't know if they are "flawless", & I don't care as I don't use them anymore, & removed them from my cart with the exception of my Crystal Celebi who I don't "use" in battles..... gotta get a real Celebi......

[quote="DarkSpectrum]And i'm sure that some n00b that sees ya'll saying nothing happens when you cheat and then goes out and destroys his stuff tryin to go on your advice will not be very happy with you then.[/QUOTE]
My advice? I'm not advising anyone to do anything. Quite the opposite actually. If someone ruins their game because of something I've said then they have no one to blame but themselves, because I'm saying don't do it. Did you actually read my whole post, or just miss the point of it?