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Battle of the Titans

Battle of the Titans

  • Dragonite

    Votes: 9 21.4%
  • Tyranitar

    Votes: 7 16.7%
  • Salamence

    Votes: 12 28.6%
  • Metagross

    Votes: 14 33.3%

  • Total voters
    42
  • Poll closed .

dArK_pOkEmOn_lOvEr

Umbreon master
I just had to post this, I havent seen a poll of any kind with all the choices, one is always missing!!! lol

We all know that in each Generation there happens to be one PKMN that is (stat wise) uber (2 in the 3rd gen tho...). Their number also so happens to be right before the legendaries.

And to keep it with R/S/E discussion, which of these titans is most beneficial in the BF??? Your opinion of course.
 

Golden Latios

Plushie Latios
In my opinion, I think that Metagross would be the most beneficial in the Battle Frontier. Great Attack and Defense Stats.
 

pooheadkid

Psychic Trainer
Golden Latios said:
In my opinion, I think that Metagross would be the most beneficial in the Battle Frontier. Great Attack and Defense Stats.

i agree, speed isnt everything
 

Kodan

Master Breeder
I think metagross is a great pokemon, And as they said up top, Speed isnt everything.

-Kodan-
 

cecil

Armed with a Mind
For me its Salamence. Good spread on status (attack,sp.attack, and speed spreaded well). Well, everybody have their own choice.
 
only if it is a DDTAR:D
 

Vycksta

Well-Known Member
Metagross for me. Great type combination, amazing attack and defence to make up for slow speed and is probably the best Choise Bander in the business.
 

Shock

<--- Teh kewl ghost!
Salamence, for being able to outrun quite a lot and having high attack stats
 

Jhonny

Officially The Worst
Metagross because no matter what its almost certain that you'll take something down with it, explode or not.
 

pikachu146

Well-Known Member
I'll choose Dragonite,it can boltbeam subpunch.Salamence is faster than Dragonite,but Dragonite can learn more attacks.
 
Metagross. You all say Speed isn't everything. That's true, though it does matter with some Pokémon. But you forget that Metagross gets Agility =O Get Metagross 198 Speed, and one Agility will take its Speed high enough to outspeed anything besides Ninjask, Electrode, and Deoxys E. So, with one Agility, you now have a Pokémon that is incredibly fast, incredibly strong, amazingly durable, and endlessly versatile. Couple in the two weaknesses and numerous resistances, I have to say, what more could you ask for?

Salamence is also excellent, and after two, even one, Dragon Dance, it becomes terribly hard to get rid of. CBMence is also something you wouldn't want to face. 600+ Attack and 300+ Speed destroys just about everything. And then there's Elemence, a rarer form of Salamence that makes use of its incredible Sp. Attack(Base 110) and surprises a lot of common switch-ins for Salamence.

Tyranitar is great as well. If you look past the various weaknesses, you'll see a well-balanced Pokémon, who, like Metagross, has the ability to raise its low Speed(Dragon Dance). STAB'd Rock Slide after a DD off an enormous Base Attack is nothing to laugh at, and Tyranitar has a bunch of other deadly moves to deal with the Pokémon that resist Rock Slide.

Dragonite.....Meh. It has just as much Attack as the other three, but it's a bit slow to make use of it. Yes, it gets Dragon Dance. But its weaknesses counteract that boost, seeing as anything with an Ice attack is just going to laugh at it.

That sounds rather hypocritical, seeing as Tyranitar had twice as many weaknesses as Dragonite. But Tyranitar has excellent HP and Defenses, meaning unboosted SEs aren't going to KO it. It's fairly easy to switch Tyranitar in, too, seeing as it has a fair few resistances. Dragonite resists Grass, Water, Fire, and the like, but a Pokémon that carries moves like that typically has something else that would damage Dragonite badly(Sceptile, a Grass user, has HP Ice. Suicune, a Water user, has Ice Beam. Salamence, a Fire user, has Rock Slide).

The only common Fighting attack used in today's metagame is Focus Punch, and it's fairly difficult to pull off against a Tyranitar, because it was made to get in the game and kill. There aren't any Ice attacks like Focus Punch, and Ice Beam is everywhere in today's metagame; Dragonite can barely switch in on Blissey for fear of being IB'd(even Blissey, with its mediocre Sp. Attack, still takes ≈75% off Dragonite). Dragonite is just too slow to counter its weaknesses.

And, what's more, its Ability is terrible. Salamence can switch in on common Physical attacks due to Intimidate; adding in the fact that most Salamences carry HP Flying, the threat of that and Intimidate stops Heracross cold.....But, what's Dragonite going to do to Heracross? OK, so it switches in on the Focus Punch or the Megahorn, both of which it resists. And it carries HP Flying(possibly). But Heracross is faster than DDNite(264 Speed is what you aim for with DDNite, which outspeeds everything Agiligross will after one DD), and without Intimidate, Rock Slide is going to annihilate Dragonite(unless it's a CBCross, which aren't as common).

In short, why use Dragonite when you have Salamence? Woohoo, Dragonite gets Ice Beam and Focus Punch! But why would you use Ice Beam on a Physical Pokémon like Dragonite? And why bother with Focus Punch when the whole point of DD is going before your opponent? Salamence gets Rock Slide, and that more than compensates for the lack of FP and IB, seeing as it benefits from DD and covers a lot of Types. Dragonite is still usable, it's just a lot harder to play than Salamence.

≈*V. Tsun*≈
The 8th Champion
 

spareux

maldición
Salamence gets countered by too many things, IMO. While Dragonite is my favourite of the four, Metagross is deifinitely the best. Tyranitar... Never taken a liking to it. Never seemed to do much damage on other things on NB.
The only bad thing about Metagross nowadays as a leader for your team is all the other Metagross' that are leaders for a team nowadays. :/
 

Sk@rmory288

Put User Title Here
Metagross.

Steel for satrters. Agility cures it's speed problem, so thats good. It's unique too. Instead of a Powerful dragon or dragon look-a-like, we get a steel pokemon!
 

Tazzler

Well-Known Member
≈*Virulent Tsunami*≈ said:
Metagross. You all say Speed isn't everything. That's true, though it does matter with some Pokémon. But you forget that Metagross gets Agility =O Get Metagross 198 Speed, and one Agility will take its Speed high enough to outspeed anything besides Ninjask, Electrode, and Deoxys E. So, with one Agility, you now have a Pokémon that is incredibly fast, incredibly strong, amazingly durable, and endlessly versatile. Couple in the two weaknesses and numerous resistances, I have to say, what more could you ask for?

Salamence is also excellent, and after two, even one, Dragon Dance, it becomes terribly hard to get rid of. CBMence is also something you wouldn't want to face. 600+ Attack and 300+ Speed destroys just about everything. And then there's Elemence, a rarer form of Salamence that makes use of its incredible Sp. Attack(Base 110) and surprises a lot of common switch-ins for Salamence.

Tyranitar is great as well. If you look past the various weaknesses, you'll see a well-balanced Pokémon, who, like Metagross, has the ability to raise its low Speed(Dragon Dance). STAB'd Rock Slide after a DD off an enormous Base Attack is nothing to laugh at, and Tyranitar has a bunch of other deadly moves to deal with the Pokémon that resist Rock Slide.

Dragonite.....Meh. It has just as much Attack as the other three, but it's a bit slow to make use of it. Yes, it gets Dragon Dance. But its weaknesses counteract that boost, seeing as anything with an Ice attack is just going to laugh at it.

That sounds rather hypocritical, seeing as Tyranitar had twice as many weaknesses as Dragonite. But Tyranitar has excellent HP and Defenses, meaning unboosted SEs aren't going to KO it. It's fairly easy to switch Tyranitar in, too, seeing as it has a fair few resistances. Dragonite resists Grass, Water, Fire, and the like, but a Pokémon that carries moves like that typically has something else that would damage Dragonite badly(Sceptile, a Grass user, has HP Ice. Suicune, a Water user, has Ice Beam. Salamence, a Fire user, has Rock Slide).

The only common Fighting attack used in today's metagame is Focus Punch, and it's fairly difficult to pull off against a Tyranitar, because it was made to get in the game and kill. There aren't any Ice attacks like Focus Punch, and Ice Beam is everywhere in today's metagame; Dragonite can barely switch in on Blissey for fear of being IB'd(even Blissey, with its mediocre Sp. Attack, still takes ≈75% off Dragonite). Dragonite is just too slow to counter its weaknesses.

And, what's more, its Ability is terrible. Salamence can switch in on common Physical attacks due to Intimidate; adding in the fact that most Salamences carry HP Flying, the threat of that and Intimidate stops Heracross cold.....But, what's Dragonite going to do to Heracross? OK, so it switches in on the Focus Punch or the Megahorn, both of which it resists. And it carries HP Flying(possibly). But Heracross is faster than DDNite(264 Speed is what you aim for with DDNite, which outspeeds everything Agiligross will after one DD), and without Intimidate, Rock Slide is going to annihilate Dragonite(unless it's a CBCross, which aren't as common).

In short, why use Dragonite when you have Salamence? Woohoo, Dragonite gets Ice Beam and Focus Punch! But why would you use Ice Beam on a Physical Pokémon like Dragonite? And why bother with Focus Punch when the whole point of DD is going before your opponent? Salamence gets Rock Slide, and that more than compensates for the lack of FP and IB, seeing as it benefits from DD and covers a lot of Types. Dragonite is still usable, it's just a lot harder to play than Salamence.

≈*V. Tsun*≈
The 8th Champion
The only thing that sepeartes dragonite and salamence is intimidate and 20 base more speed.

Dragonite is a very cool pokemon so I choose it. Unlike salamence, it has a special movepool with Thunderbolt and Ice Beam, the dragon Dragon Cla and Flamethrower and Surf. It has better defenses than salamence, though salamence makes a better switch into fighters due to intimidate. Also, CB, there are many different sets on dragonite anf FP and DDD are not in the same moveset. FFS, rock slide doesn't cover a lot of types, it covers a couple of pokemon namely zapdos and aerodactyl. It also beats gyarados, moltres, and aritcuno, but you can lump them into the flying type. (Flyings that don't resist hp flying take an assload from it too). Fire Types get EQ'd and Bug types get Hidden Power Flying'd. For OU/BL Ice types, jynx will get ohko'd by HP Flying. Other Ice types (Regice, articuno, lapras) will get 2hko'd by boosted rock slide. (Well, articuno gets ohko'd). So you have to be cbed because if you dragon dance you will have to rely on flinch rate to beat them before they ice beam you. The flying types get hit hard by ice beam and the ice types by focus punch. So loss of rock slide does not matter AT ALL. You say elemence is good? Then why don't you like special moves on a pokemon who has an base attack on one point lower. Sure, it has 10 base special attack lower, but it has a special movepool that doesn't consist of fire+dragon (which every dragon but kingdra gets) and crunch. Haven't you heard of Obinite? Dragonite is a cool pokemon to use if you don't want to sue salamence. However, I would use salamence over it if I needed fighter coverage. Even then, I prefer gyarados.

As for the other chocies: I rarely use tyranitar sicne sandstream messes up my valuable leftovers. I use on TSS teams or if my team doesn't mind sandstom. I use metagross a lot and I like it. It has good defenses and resists a lot of important types. Stalk(Turtle)gross is an invaluable part to any team.

But, there are still offensive brutes out there that can put the hurt on you. Ursaring hits everything hard, even though its a bit slow. It is more scareier than slaking, who is another. Machamp is a great pokemon. It can Stalk and hit hard. Fighters are great offense. Heracross, blaziken, armaldo, etc are other great ones.

The four choices are all stopped by bulky waters except dragonite who can thunder them (not swampert) and maybe dent them without setting up or blowing itself up.
 
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