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Battle with Ash in SoulSilver/HeartGold

Discussion in 'Past Pokémon Generations Discussion' started by CountGraduon, Jun 21, 2010.

  1. CountGraduon

    CountGraduon New Member

    Does anyone else thing that the battle with Ash on top of Mt. Silver is just freaking EPIC? I mean he fights you with the pokemon he had in the anime which is awesome... and the blizzard like WHOA!

    So what do you guys think about this?
  2. Marty Umbreon

    Marty Umbreon Member

    I'm actually pretty sure its based on red from the original pokemon adventures manga, he doesn't have a blastoise or charizard but he does get a lend of them at one stage or another, but he also doesn't have a lapras.

    Meh, guess it could be either.
  3. BCVM22

    BCVM22 Well-Known Member

    That you're mistaken.

    He isn't.

    He's not Ash nor is he based on PokéSpecial Red. He is simply Red, the male trainer character as whom you played in any of the 1st generation titles and FireRed/Leaf Green.

    His Pokémon roster is not a reference to the anime or any of the manga. Charizard, Venusaur, Blastoise and Pikachu are the Pokémon that graced the boxes of the four 1st generation titles and are all Pokémon you're given if you play through Yellow Version. Espeon/Lapras and Snorlax are Pokémon that "Red" - you, the gamer, playing through the Kanto template in either the 1st or 3rd generation - was given or caught in his journey through Kanto; Espeon is the evolved form of the Eevee given to "him" by Bill, Lapras is a gift given in the Silph Co. building, and Snorlax, of course, has to be battled/captured on Routes 12 and 16.

    The games are the central medium of the franchise, from which the myriad of adaptations take their material. It does not work in reverse nor has it ever.

    May the "issue" rest now, until the next person brings it up...
    Last edited: Jun 21, 2010
  4. deathseer

    deathseer Oh, u mad bro?

    Actually, Red's Pikachu is based off of Ash's. It has the same exact moves that Ash's has been using in the current series. As for the others, I'm not sure. There was an allusion that Red's team is Ash's during his adventures in the Orange Islands (Pikachu, Bulbasaur, Squirtle, Charizard, Snorlax, Lapras), although Blastoise and Venasaur are the evolved ones. And the moves don't match up.
  5. Sonic527

    Sonic527 Speed fanatic

    Red is based off of the hero in Pokemon Yellow. Pokemon Yellow is based more on the anime with Pikachu and team Rocket but otherwise thats it. In the game Red is given all the pokemon except for Snorelax which can be either caught or fought. In yellow there were two Snorelax's that covered the routes, one in front of the bike road and another in front of Diglet Cave. Notice that in HG/SS there is only one snorelax that is in front of Diglet's cave.
  6. Jirachidude

    Jirachidude collecter and trader

    I agree, this is definitely the most epic battle in the game, especially with the blizzard in the background.
  7. MrPostman

    MrPostman Viceroy

    Because Pikachu has such a huge movepool, especially back in GSC when you first fought red. :|
  8. lindsy95

    lindsy95 FC: 4428-2451-8791

    Red is the protagonist of RBGY I don't see how hard to grasp that is.
    Did ash destroy team rocket? no.
  9. deoxysdude94

    deoxysdude94 I'm gonna miss my boi Deoxys...

    Yeah, I love battling red. He's freakin awesome. He is easily the best CPU trainer ever to be made in pokemon.
  10. lethal Xsanity

    lethal Xsanity Well-Known Member

    Yes as BCVM22 has stated Red is the player you have played with in the
    1st Generation Games.
    It was supposed to be the Grand finale of the Pokemon Game Franchise,as you have to fight and defeat the Champion of the 1st gen. in an Epic all out battle.

    I think it's awesome as he's the strongest in the game..he's supposed to be "The Best"
    so beating him should grant you a feeling of acomplishment and success.
  11. lugia used splash

    lugia used splash Likes Cake.

    There was no epic battle with ash.

    red on the other hand..
  12. lugia used splash

    lugia used splash Likes Cake.

    There was no epic battle with ash.

    red on the other hand..
  13. projectaumaan

    projectaumaan Well-Known Member

    As others have said, IT'S NOT ASH. A basic Google/Bulbapedia or Serebii search would tell you that.

    Also, it's not a freaking Blizzard. Do your Pokémon get hurt by it every turn? No. It's Diamond Dust. Look it up. Cool effect in the overworld, but does nada in battles.
  14. Super Nerd 7997

    Super Nerd 7997 Crazy Plant Guy

    They do actually. There's constant hail. I should know, I've done it twice, and it was a problem in trying to outstall his Lapras with Umbreon.

    Edit: Looked it up on Bulbapedia. Turns out there is diamond dust with no in battle effect on certain special days. Otherwise it's hail.
    Last edited: Jun 24, 2010
  15. Dattebayo

    Dattebayo Banned

    First off, that's not Ash, it's Red, the character who Ash is based off of. Second, Red only used four Pokemon Ash used: Pikachu, Charizard, Snorlax, and Lapras; Ash never had a Venusaur and Blastoise because he hasn't evolved his Bulbasaur and Squirtle. Third, it's a hailstorm, not a blizzard.

    Red got his Eevee from the rooftop of that Game Freak building from Celadon City (please don't hurt me).
    Last edited: Jun 24, 2010
  16. ForeverFlame

    ForeverFlame WATER TRUMPETS

    Ash and Adventures Red are based on Red, which explains their similar parties. But the three of them are different people.
  17. trade_me_for_a_celebi

    trade_me_for_a_celebi Training to beat Red

    Red is the original trainer you are in the 1st gen. It's amazing his pokes are leveled so high when considering the only thing close to him are level 65 whenyou battle Lance and Clair with your rival. But hey, it was a great addon and is one of the best ideas thrown into the game IMO
  18. overheat

    overheat Fire Type Trainer

    yeah it was just an awesome battle, I had a bit of a problem with his snorlax though, though dude :)
  19. i had a big problem with lapras and snorlax
  20. Typhlosion Trainer

    Typhlosion Trainer Fire Trainer

    The battle was ok, I guess.

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