-
Be sure to join the discussion on our discord at: Discord.gg/serebii
BDSP: Worst Pokemon game?
- Thread starter Sneasel the Weasel
- Start date
Bolt the Cat
Bringing the Thunder
Oh, you mean from the industry in general. Yeah, Pokemon's never had an utter disaster like ET, Superman 64, or Sonic 06, but it's also rare that someone screws a game up that badly. Relative to Pokemon though, I can't see much justification in regressing back to Gen 1 gameplay. The series has moved far beyond what Gen 1 can do in every aspect of the game (I can find better Pokemon rosters, region design, storyline, characterization, extra content, and QoL features in other games than RBYLGPE).
It's surprising to hear someone like Sinnoh and not Hoenn. Both regions were designed during a similar era of the series and have similar design philosophies, about the only major difference between the two I can really identify is that base RS has a bare minimum post game (basically just Sky Pillar, the S.S. Tidal, and the Battle Tower). Beyond the post game, I'm struggling to think of anything that Sinnoh does significantly better than Hoenn.
Morty05
Ghost-type trainer
You forgot to mention that both has a battle Frontier in their third version.
masdog
What is the airspeed of an unladen Swellow?
Yeah. I was referring to the industry in general.
Relative to Pokemon, there isn’t much worse than Gen1, Gen2, and LGPE. Gen1 and Gen2 really suffer from being the first installments and the technology limits of the time (in context - they weren’t bad for the time…they just aged really poorly and don’t hold up to modern Pokemon), and LGPE due to the significant changes in gameplay.
That said, I don’t think updating Gen1 and Gen2 by giving them the BDSP treatment would be a bad idea. Updated graphics, QoL features, and some extra content could go a long way towards refreshing those games.
Morty05
Ghost-type trainer
Sinnoh is bit more Urban and more winter ... while Hoenn is bit more rural and tropical. In fact Hoenn was most tropical region before Alola.
Ignition
Live freely
I'm talking about from a gameplay perspective. I'm aware of the difference in climate change.
Morax
Quack
#don'tlookup
Det. Viper
That’s Detective Viper to you
All software does. In a research lab I used to work in we created a program designed to flush water through a hose (it was a custom machine so it needed a custom program). However, it always errored out if set for 60 seconds. So we had to set it for 59+1 seconds for it to work.
Agreed. When compared to the other two entries released in Generation VIII, BDSP sucks. However, the games are quite enjoyable to play. The story progresses nicely while having a unique look for the franchise. Overall it’s a solid 5/10.
One improvement over the original I feel is the overhaul of the Pokémon Contests. In BDSP they are fun and enjoyable while in DPPt they are just one of the worst parts of the game.
With LGPE being a remake of Yellow I feel Generation I has already received its entry with updated graphics and the QOL features all on the Switch so I would rule that out for now. But I would be a fan of seeing a Crystal remake for the Switch.
Bolt the Cat
Bringing the Thunder
Hard disagree, the BDSP treatment doesn't quite fix everything that's wrong. Hell, I don't think any remake has quite done enough to modernize the older regions. They've been largely unwilling to modernize the Pokemon rosters or region design and that still significantly holds them back. What the older games really need is the BW2 or LA treatment, something that's not afraid to boldly reimagine those regions instead of religiously recreating the same experience pixel by pixel with a few modern touchups.
masdog
What is the airspeed of an unladen Swellow?
I just wish we had one with traditional gameplay instead of the Pokemon Go-style gameplay.
I’m not saying that the BDSP-style treatment will fix everything that’s wrong. I’m not sure that would be possible without completely gutting the game and giving us something that isn’t RBY/GSC.
If I’m being honest, part of this is rooted in nostalgia and being able to give my kids a similar Pokemon experience to what I had as a teenager without giving them my old Game Boy Color and Red/Yellow/Silver cartridges. (Not that I haven’t done that…but between the actual value of the carts, their tendency to misplace things, and failing save game batteries…I’d prefer to avoid that). The 3DS virtual consoles are also an option.
I’d love a Pokemon Legends: Kanto and Pokemon Legends: Johto. Those would be a great way to reimagine the first two regions and expand on their story and lore. A BW2-style sequel for both would also be nice.
Ignition
Live freely
Yeah I looked back at RS and I feel nothing from those games. I fail to see any reason why I’d want to pick them up over BDSP. If anything it built a foundation for a lot of things I like about Sinnoh but even then nothing that makes me want to go back to them. I’d understand ORAS & somewhat of Emerald but not RS.
Bolt the Cat
Bringing the Thunder
That's... kind of the point I'm making. The games are so archaic that a complete overhaul that makes the game almost a completely different experience is the only way to make those older regions remotely good.
It'd be better for them to put the old games on NSO (why hasn't Nintendo added GB/GBC games to NSO again?). Then they can understand that the games released on very old handhelds that had limited capabilities and can put the games' flaws into context. If they get a remake that's largely an HD coat of paint with a few extras tacked on, they're going to feel like the game is meant to be compared with the likes of SwSh or LA and wonder why the games took such a huge step back, and then they're going to wonder why it's a $60 boxed game in the first place. It's hard to deny, that if you're a younger fan that doesn't know the history of RBY and DP, and you see LGPE releasing after USUM and BDSP releasing after SwSh, you'd be very confused.
Kage-Pikachu
Well-Known Member
a lot of people do, i just really dislike having to have HMs in the post game and i disliked that newer pokemon couldn't be used until the national dex was obtained. i still enjoyed the experience though as a whole
treatyofversigh
Well-Known Member
I think this was my main gripe with the games, actually- I really wished that, at the very least, Sylveon had been added to the game. Fairy type was added and it was the only Eeveelution not there. I can’t remember if there’s any other cross gen evolutions that could’ve been added (I just woke up) but I would’ve also liked to see, idk, Galarian Ponyta or something. I think it was a missed opportunity.
(I also liked the chibi style. Thought it was cute and a fun throwback.)
Bolt the Cat
Bringing the Thunder
The only other cross gen evolutions that existed at the time besides Sylveon were regional evolutions such as Mr. Rime (actually IIRC Mr. Rime is the only one in the base Sinnoh Dex, but there's probably more in the full 493, I haven't gone back through the list to check). There was actually a huge drought of cross gen evos between 4th and 8th gen (and even then SwSh only had regional evolutions, it wasn't until LA that we saw proper cross gen evos again) where Sylveon was literally the only one we got during that period, they seemed intent on experimenting with other types of form changes such as Megas and regional variants at the time.
Trillion
Well-Known Member
no because they're basically the same game as dp. and dp weren't bad games. as a matter of fact, dp are "worse" by default since bdsp added more content and available pokemon before the postgame with the grand underground
the title of the worst still goes to lgpe
i also rank bdsp above rby, gsc, and hgss
bdsp aren't perfect though. while i don't think we needed random pokemon to be included, like sawsbuck for example- i'm still not exactly sure why pokemon that are connected to gen 1 - 4 pokemon, like sylveon couldn't have been included
also not seeing why regional forms like marowak or raichu couldn't have been transferrable
same with pokemon like sirfetch'd, obstagoon, mr rime, etc. even if just locked to postgame
the title of the worst still goes to lgpe
i also rank bdsp above rby, gsc, and hgss
bdsp aren't perfect though. while i don't think we needed random pokemon to be included, like sawsbuck for example- i'm still not exactly sure why pokemon that are connected to gen 1 - 4 pokemon, like sylveon couldn't have been included
also not seeing why regional forms like marowak or raichu couldn't have been transferrable
same with pokemon like sirfetch'd, obstagoon, mr rime, etc. even if just locked to postgame
Drake Pokétrainer
Hell God
Aside from the Let's Go games, I agree. These have been some of the poorest main pokemon games to come out. The biggest enjoyment I get from remakes is the changes they made, mostly the games being changed to the modern graphics and new additional content. Two things FR/LG, HG/SS and OR/AS did as well as bringing newer pokemon into old regions, even if it's through transfer only.
BD/SP did basically none of that. It's also riddled with bugs as listed above. You're honestly better off playing P/D/Pt than these since the only saving grace these remakes have is that the games they're based on were really good, but they add almost nothing to the experience.
BD/SP did basically none of that. It's also riddled with bugs as listed above. You're honestly better off playing P/D/Pt than these since the only saving grace these remakes have is that the games they're based on were really good, but they add almost nothing to the experience.
