BDSP: Worst Pokemon game?

[Munchlax66]

Absolutely not.

Let's Go Pikachu and Eevee exists. And that has much less content than BDSP and BDSP has much better gameplay.

Hey You Pikachu far worse than both of them.

Sad state of the Pokemon Franchise I have scroll through negativity topic titles on my way to looking for info regarding anime titles. The hatred for this game is impossible to escape no matter how hard you try.

Also I looked in LGPE board. No negative threads and found a post that has the title "Do you think that LGPE is an underrated Pokemon game?". Contextualize that with this board having a thread about this being the worst that shows up on most recent post and not having such negativity locked is really tragic.

I never seen a game get this much negativity. And I was there when Colosseum and PBR were viciously attacked. And clearly more graphic than Sword and Shield hate.

 

[Bolt the Cat]

Also I looked in LGPE board. No negative threads and found a post that has the title "Do you think that LGPE is an underrated Pokemon game?". Contextualize that with this board having a thread about this being the worst that shows up on most recent post and not having such negativity locked is really tragic.

That's probably because LGPE is 3 years older than BDSP and most people have moved on to newer games. LGPE got its fair share of negativity (frankly it deserved more, but it still got a lot), but the people that hate LGPE generally aren't going back to LGPE topics on the forum to express their negativity, they're just ignoring it. Furthermore, even the people that like it aren't really talking about it much, the LGPE forum is practically dead now and most of its topics haven't had replies in months (and anytime they do they get locked due to the rule against bumping). So of course you're not going to see as much negativity towards LGPE, conversations tend to be more focused on more recent games and BDSP is definitely more recent. It is pretty telling though, that whenever someone brings up an alternative to BDSP as worst Pokemon game in this thread, LGPE is one of the most common ones, so the negativity is still there.

 

[Autobot N]

it is The worst Pokemon has gotten so far. You can't even play with its own gen pokemon- pokemon following you is somehow worse than its predecessor (SWSH)...
And BDSP is buggy as hell. https://www.reddit.com/r/pokemon/comments/r19l0a And it is just too faithful to DP and not much else. It really is DP in gen 8 engine... ( even then it is WORSE than SWSH)

at least LG has a cameo of previous games AND has better pokemon following you feature.

please let's not say every game done by GF is a masterpice. They created crap and unfortunately BDSP is that crap.

 

[Tobunarimo]

BDSP should have never happened, the chibi graphics which work for DS do not work for the switch, it would work if they added dynamax and sw/sh graphics with new gigantamax forms and inclusion of platinum episode.

Chibi Graphics - Link's Awakening Switch.
Sw/Sh Graphics - Legends Arceus
inclusion of Platinum Episode - Aside from the changes to the climax with Team Galactic and say Looker/Charon in Stark Mountain, no one complaining about BDSP would be happy with a "Platinum Episode" - they are complaining that the games didn't have the Pokedex expansion from Platinum and that the gym leaders and gym order is based on Diamond and Pearl and not Platinum. (If not that then the games doing everything completely different from Diamond and Pearl but still being set in Diamond and Pearl...)

I don't disagree that these games probably should've never happened. But I don't think that Legends Arceus would've been a thing had they decided to go the "remake follows the mold of the main series entry" like FRLG, HGSS, & ORAS had done before it, and people love their PLA.

Something obviously happened behind the scenes that got us the games that we got, and I'm not accepting meager things like "They just want to sell cheaply made games because it's Pokemon and it'll sell" or "they obviously planned this"

 

[Bolt the Cat]

Chibi Graphics - Link's Awakening Switch.
Sw/Sh Graphics - Legends Arceus
inclusion of Platinum Episode - Aside from the changes to the climax with Team Galactic and say Looker/Charon in Stark Mountain, no one complaining about BDSP would be happy with a "Platinum Episode" - they are complaining that the games didn't have the Pokedex expansion from Platinum and that the gym leaders and gym order is based on Diamond and Pearl and not Platinum. (If not that then the games doing everything completely different from Diamond and Pearl but still being set in Diamond and Pearl...)

I don't disagree that these games probably should've never happened. But I don't think that Legends Arceus would've been a thing had they decided to go the "remake follows the mold of the main series entry" like FRLG, HGSS, & ORAS had done before it, and people love their PLA.

Something obviously happened behind the scenes that got us the games that we got, and I'm not accepting meager things like "They just want to sell cheaply made games because it's Pokemon and it'll sell" or "they obviously planned this"

Ehh, at best maybe the graphic style changed because they wanted to make LA, but content wise I think they still wanted to make BDSP. You can see they've been going in this direction for a while, ORAS and LGPE have some of the same problems that BDSP has with a lack of third version content and a lack of cross gen evos or really any Pokemon that wasn't in the original game.

I think what changed in their plans was that initially they wanted to make more games like SM and LGPE on the Switch but then they saw the insane success of BotW and wanted to transition Pokemon to be more open world. You can see the signs here, for one Game Freak was obsessed with the mobile market in the mid-2010s and they admitted in an interview that they didn't think the Switch would succeed because people wouldn't want it over mobile devices, so they probably originally intended to keep making linear, casual, mobile inspired games until the Switch failed and they would transition to mobile. But the Switch didn't fail, to the contrary it exploded in popularity and BotW became an utter phenomenon so I think they learned then that consoles could still succeed with large open world adventure games so they started gradually transitioning their games to open world. SwSh was probably too far into development by 2017 to rework it into an open world game so instead they simply added the Wild Area to dip their toes in open world game design while the rest of the game was like SM. Then with the DLC they added two more Wild Area-esque open areas to continue adapting to open world game design. For BDSP, they couldn't make that an open world because it would be too different from the original DP and ruin the nostalgia, so instead they outsourced it to ILCA and made LA so they could make the open world Sinnoh experience they wanted and continue the gradual transition to open world. Finally when they started on SV they were fully aware of the demand for open world and had experience developing open world gameplay for several games so they designed it to be open world from the ground up.

So I think if things had proceeded as plans what we would've gotten was BDSP developed by Game Freak in a graphic style similar to LGPE and/or SwSh and some of the new Pokemon and forms they added to LA (the origin forms for Dialga and Palkia do seem like they were meant to be version mascots similar to the Primal forms in ORAS, and we might've seen some Sinnohan variants although I'm less certain we would've seen the ones that ended up Hisuian variants in LA because most of them were based on the past theme and from later generations that wouldn't have been as prominent in BDSP). The content probably would not have changed significantly because minor extras and no third version content seems to be all they want to include in recent remakes (probably because nostalgia, they don't want fans of the original to complain it's "ruined because too different").

 

[MinorMash31]

Pokemon games that kind of suck:


Pokemon XY (I love these games. I'm not saying these games suck, but they are super easy and have a non-existent post game basically. Also, the lack of new pokemon besides the megas sucks.)

Pokémon BDSP (DP was never good. They needed the remake, but did it help? no. it was almost identical to the old one.)

My Pokemon Ranch (man what's the point anymore)

Pokemon Trozei! (Dude I played this game once and I felt like I had a brain aneurism playing it bro, it sucks)

Pokemon Dash (Does this thing even exist? It feels like a demo that like for some reason became a real game. The entire point of the game involves swiping on the screen to make Pikachu run from goal to goal. That's literally it.)

Pokemon Rumble (Seems like lots of DS/3DS pokemon spin-offs are ending up on this list. Oh well. this game isn't that bad, but it's very grindy and makes all the pokemon look like they fused with porygon for some reason.)

Pokemon Cafe Remix (Its just lame Candy Crush but with 99999% gacha to make you want to spend your hard earned money on this. Nobody will applaud if you unlocked a tiny ahh hat for Pikachu bro.)

Pokepark (I played this game so often. I was so confused on what's happening half of the time. Honestly, not that bad, but it's just a worse Super Mario Bros.)

Last one of this list: Pokemon Masters EX ("Hey what you gonna do with that 100 dollars you just got for your hard work this week?" "I'm going to buy stuff on Pokemon Masters EX" *one day later* "so what did you get?* *like 45 variations of lame characters and 1000 Maylenes." BROOOOOOOO this game is worst game ever, why people play this?)

By the way, this is all my opinion, so if you are all like "FOIGJEOIRFJIJFRI POKEMON CAFE REMIX IS THE BEST GAME KNOWN TO MAN" I don't really care, but you can also take my opinion with a grain of salt.

 

[Captain Jigglypuff]

Honestly, I didn’t like Pokémon Conquest for how easy it was to exploit the AI trainers. I beat the game twice in the first week of release alone and I just felt so disappointed. The guy at GameStop was shocked that I was trading in a relatively new game in less than two weeks. I just didn’t have that much fun playing Conquest and I was super excited prior to release for it to come out given how unique it was among Pokemon games.

 

[MinorMash31]

Honestly, I didn’t like Pokémon Conquest for how easy it was to exploit the AI trainers. I beat the game twice in the first week of release alone and I just felt so disappointed. The guy at GameStop was shocked that I was trading in a relatively new game in less than two weeks. I just didn’t have that much fun playing Conquest and I was super excited prior to release for it to come out given how unique it was among Pokemon games.

Yeah I agree, it was pretty easy sometimes, but it can get pretty difficult strategy wise, like where to put your trainers so the other warlords don't attack you easily. It would be cool to see a remake, and it would be even better if they could modify it so the AI was smarter and so they could add more Pokemon and more attacks to the game. Having a Musharna was useless if you didn't have a Munna, since neither of the two had attacking moves, Musharna having Dream Eater and Munna getting Hypnosis.

 

[Pokefan_1987]

Here what i hate about it and why i rarely touch it.

-Chibi style: I just hate that this style is literally everywhere in cutscenes, solving gyms and in the story cutscenes.
-Training your pokemon to decent levels for the Elite 4 is much slower than you thing
-All the TM's break, and the sellers in the Grand Underground are both in random spots and the items they want in exchange is also randomly generated.
-Because of the limited pokedex and that means Cynthia is really difficult and her team almost too perfect to defeat.
-Every time i fall of that edge before i can get into the volcano where Heatran lives. This also happens in other games, but in this game it has wild grass when the bike needs to jump on that edge and wild pokemon can distract you. Just **** off stupid volcano edge.

 

[Pokegirl Fan~]

They're an improvement over the original Diamond and Pearl games, but I am disappointed with the "character customization" options.

 

[Pokefan_1987]

They're an improvement over the original Diamond and Pearl games, but I am disappointed with the "character customization" options.

What exactly was it that was not in the game in the customizations ? The games are literally designed to be direct remakes with improvements.

 

[Pokegirl Fan~]

What exactly was it that was not in the game in the customizations ? The games are literally designed to be direct remakes with improvements.

I didn't care much for most of the alternative outfits and wanted more of a selection

 

[Mr.Munchlax]

Personally, I think the best things about BDSP are the postgame rematches and how they became the building blocks for romhackers to make 3D games

 

[BladeRunnerEX2.0]

Honestly, I never been so disappointed in a game in all my life like I did with BD/SP.

Diamond was one of my favorite games to play. And as a Hoenn Baby, Sinnoh comes real close in my heart. So much time spent in that game. So many memories.

Yet, in about 10-20 minutes of gameplay of it’s remake, I turned it off and sold it.
The feeling was off from the jump.

 

[MinorMash31]

Maybe I'm just dumb, but I could never figure out the puzzle for the Snowpoint Gym. I got so frustrated with it and I never completed it. I sold the game, hah. Maybe my reason for selling it was just my user error, for not being smart enough to figure out a children's game puzzle.

 

[Pokefan_1987]

Maybe I'm just dumb, but I could never figure out the puzzle for the Snowpoint Gym. I got so frustrated with it and I never completed it. I sold the game, hah. Maybe my reason for selling it was just my user error, for not being smart enough to figure out a children's game puzzle.

I use video guides for it and Crasher Lake and the sinnoh mountains and Victory Road. But all of that is nothing compared to Sootopolis in Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire. That remake gym puzzle is pure hell.

 

[Flashyspark]

I can't get over the fact that some people actually consider BDSP to be the worst games when LGPE are right there. BDSP for all their flaws are still jam packed with stuff to do despite their mediocre graphics and you can still spend at least 40 hours actually doing stuff in those thanks to the post-game and Grand Underground, whereas you can finish the main plot of LGPE in less than half that time and have nothing left to do other than those stupid Master Trainer battles that nobody got time for.

LGPE has little post-game content, an annoying capture mechanic, no Abilities or held items which takes a lot of the strategy out of battles, no rematches against regular trainers and slow leveling up because of that, a small Dex, little online functionality, and the games have practically no appeal outside of Kanto nostalgia which by 2018 was already overstaying its welcome.

Not to mention that LGPE were like $60 back then and all you got was a mediocre game when there were dozens of better games with the same price tag.

Maybe I'm just dumb, but I could never figure out the puzzle for the Snowpoint Gym. I got so frustrated with it and I never completed it. I sold the game, hah. Maybe my reason for selling it was just my user error, for not being smart enough to figure out a children's game puzzle.

Not dumb but like, it's not that difficult? There's plenty of guides out there on Youtube or the puzzle can just be solved through trial and error like most puzzles in Pokemon.

 

[UltimateNinja]

The problem with BDSP is the quality of the content.

These games are graphically just upscaled 3DS games and still tile based. They are like DP but they replaced each tile with a better looking one. These games dont look even as great as games like Links Awakening on the Switch. It would be fine that way IF BDSP actually is better and more refined than DP. People at least expect to be better than DP but it barely is because there are so many dumb decisions that balance out the good parts. Nicer underground? Good but the multiplayer games and secret base decoration are removed or heavily reduced. Good rematches? Too bad the story battles are just the bad DP teams.

Then theres the Exp-Share which destroys any fun in walkthroughs exploring the whole region and battling every trainer, heavily simplified contests, the original 493 Pokemon only etc.

So if the games are just DP with better graphics with good and bad changes/features balancing each other out then why should I bother playing BDSP if people just can play Platinum which is just the better experience? I mean like what would be the thing that would make you BDSP over Platinum? The graphics are kept in the same style and competitive play is also barely possible.

I wouldnt say BDSP are the worst games because Sinnoh is just a good region but fans of the region, including myself as a diehard Sinnoh fan, felt like these games were dissappointing.

 

[TwilightBlade]

-Training your pokemon to decent levels for the Elite 4 is much slower than you thing

My Pokemon were all at around Lv 70 when I faced the Sinnoh Elite 4 in Shining Pearl and that was mostly from battling all the available trainers on the map and wild Pokemon in the Grand Underground. By comparison my teams were usually barely around Lv 55 when challenging the Elite 4 in the original Sinnoh games.

I know not everyone's experience is the same, but my point is that it's not difficult to get your Pokemon at strong enough levels in BD/SP to face the Elite 4 if you battle a lot. In terms of difficulty these games aren't much harder than the other Switch Pokemon games although I do admit that I got annoyed by how many Pokemon had Focus Sashes during the Gym Leader matches :[

 

[UltraGlitterCat]

Aww, I love LGPE. I like the in game trades for Alola mons. I love the capture mechanic (my boyfriend found me the bundle with the poke ball+ and it is much easier than using the joy cons I'll admit.) I like the respawning hidden items. I love having an Eevee on my head. I love the little outfits for you and Eevee/Pikachu. I like the trainer battles. I'm enjoying it more than FRLG. It really looks and feels like I'm playing in the anime verse. I know I am playing in a time when most people have quit it, but I don't care. I'm excited for the bluetooth phone Johnny's promised me next month so I can finally play GO and bring Kanto mons to the GO Park. For now I'm just having fun with the base game and taking my mons for a walk everyday. (How I wish things like the pokewalker or poke ball + or similar add-ons were available for every gen. Love the little pedometer things.)

I don't have Shining Pearl yet but I'll pop back in here when I do to voice my opinions on it.