BDSP: Worst Pokemon game?

[Captain Jigglypuff]

Honestly, I think the hate for BDSP is a bit exaggerated. I mean yeah they weren’t what we expected but they still were faithful to the original games and a great modernization of the games. Plus I like how we can change outfits and some of them look really cool such as the Gengar Jacket and the Cyber outfit. BDSP are also the best way to get a free Jirachi and Mew and the best way to use them in a new game without them being over leveled for half of the game. Usually the Mythicals are given to us at level 20 or higher. Having Mew before Gardenia allows you to trade it over to other games to teach it moves Super Effective to her Pokémon and have a Pokémon with really powerful moves before level 20. And Jirachi is amazing in the early game as very few Pokémon can actually pose a threat to it as you only have the Chimchar and Ponyta lines and Gastly, Misdreavus, and Murrow as true threats until you reach Pastoria City and battle more Stunky and Stuntank.

 

[MinorMash31]

I use video guides for it and Crasher Lake and the sinnoh mountains and Victory Road. But all of that is nothing compared to Sootopolis in Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire. That remake gym puzzle is pure hell.

Yeah, I got so frustrated doing that dumb ice tile puzzle. It was just annoying, but once you got through it the first time, you really can appreciate the skill and tactic you need to complete it.

 

[dmajorduckie]

I think the biggest problem with BDSP was that they were Diamond/Pearl remakes and not a Platinum remake. Platinum and HGSS is the reason gen 4 is so beloved, at least IMO, and not having any Platinum content or new ideas, like the Delta Episode in ORAS, nor the labor of love that is HGSS, made for an unexciting release. The art style wasn't great either, but I tend towards thinking that Pokemon never should have moved into 3D in the first place.

I don't understand why they haven't fixed the Spinda bug in Home yet, though. It took me about 2 years to find one in my save file to complete my national dex in BDSP.

 

[Ubermuk]

I think the biggest problem with BDSP was that they were Diamond/Pearl remakes and not a Platinum remake. Platinum and HGSS is the reason gen 4 is so beloved, at least IMO, and not having any Platinum content or new ideas, like the Delta Episode in ORAS, nor the labor of love that is HGSS, made for an unexciting release. The art style wasn't great either, but I tend towards thinking that Pokemon never should have moved into 3D in the first place.

I don't understand why they haven't fixed the Spinda bug in Home yet, though. It took me about 2 years to find one in my save file to complete my national dex in BDSP.

Diamond and Pearl are the core games that started generation 4 so of course those were the ones that got remade. I don't disagree that there should've been more Platinum content in BDSP aside from Rotom/Shaymin/Giratina forme changes - maybe even as paid DLC - but it boggles my mind that some players still seem confused about why Diamond and Pearl were used as the basis for these games.

 

[Taodragon]

Diamond and Pearl are the core games that started generation 4 so of course those were the ones that got remade. I don't disagree that there should've been more Platinum content in BDSP aside from Rotom/Shaymin/Giratina forme changes - maybe even as paid DLC - but it boggles my mind that some players still seem confused about why Diamond and Pearl were used as the basis for these games.

The issue isn't that DP was the basis, the issue is that it retained many issues that Platinum fixed. Major things like the limited Pokedex or minor things like the second Poketch toggle were ignored almost entirely, and it makes for a worse experience since many of those changes were greatly appreciated and helped majorly improve the region. It'd be more forgivable if they at least did an ORAS type update, but even that wasn't done so you just have a remastered DP with the warts that were once removed added back in.

 

[Luthor]

Diamond and Pearl are the core games that started generation 4 so of course those were the ones that got remade. I don't disagree that there should've been more Platinum content in BDSP aside from Rotom/Shaymin/Giratina forme changes - maybe even as paid DLC - but it boggles my mind that some players still seem confused about why Diamond and Pearl were used as the basis for these games.

It probably didn't help that one of the first pokemon shown in one of the BDSP trailers was Porygon-Z. A post-game pokemon. Showing that off prominently meant it seemed like they were changing it up a lot more. It does make we wish that they'd made a DLC after legends arceus so you could replay BDSP but with the Hisui Pokemon (and probably sylveon) added to the dex (and gym leaders teams changed up as a result) but I admit that was never likely. What might have been a bit more plausible is to add Rotom to the initial dex, by itself you can improve a lot the issues using it and its various forms (considering it adds multiple types) and is already found in sinnoh.

 

[MinorMash31]

it was a nostalgic return with a few quality-of-life improvements. Every Pokémon game has its highs and lows, and while BDSP may not have been revolutionary, it still offered plenty for fans of the series.

Did it really? I mean, sure, it was a remake, but it was a remake of a mid game, compared to the fixed masterpiece that is Pokemon Platinum (I'm not hyping it, Pokemon Platinum is great), and lots of features that were fixed in Platinum were reverted in BDSP, like the limited Pokedex or the watch toggles mentioned in an earlier message in this thread. It's fine that Diamond and Pearl were made the basis for this game, but they could have at least added new features or new ideas like how ORAS greatly upgraded the original RS.

 

[Det. Viper]

Did it really? I mean, sure, it was a remake, but it was a remake of a mid game, compared to the fixed masterpiece that is Pokemon Platinum (I'm not hyping it, Pokemon Platinum is great),

I thoroughly enjoyed playing through BDSP the 4 times I have done so. I’m not saying that it was the world’s best Pokémon game but it offered enough to make it enjoyable. Also, Platinum was a very good game but it suffers the same issues that DP had which includes the painfully slow HP bar draining.

and lots of features that were fixed in Platinum were reverted in BDSP, like the limited Pokedex or the watch toggles mentioned in an earlier message in this thread.

The Pokédex obviously uses the DP Sinnoh Pokédex but the game offers most of the Platinum Pokédex through the grand underground so besides getting an entry, I find it a non-issue. The poketch sucks because they had to figure out how to make a two screen system into a one screen system.

It's fine that Diamond and Pearl were made the basis for this game, but they could have at least added new features or new ideas like how ORAS greatly upgraded the original RS.

We were all hoping for something added or expanded upon. We got to see Team Rocket’s preliminary research into evolution in FRLG, Giovanni and Silver’s backstory in HGSS, and the emerald chapter in ORAS so BDSP was thought to offer this as well. We were disappointed and rightfully so. However, as the games are, they are perfectly fine. Not good, not bad. Just fine.

 

[Captain Jigglypuff]

For me I got into Gen IV very late and missed out on the early days of DP and those games’ release day has a very special meaning for me because they were released in the US on my birthday and I never got the original games for my birthday because I didn’t have a DS at the time nor was I allowed to because of my abuser refusing to let me have one as a way to make sure I was under her total control and that I wasn’t having any type of entertainment that wasn’t a book. I really wanted DP and a DS for my birthday but I knew it was pointless to ask for them when the answer was always going to be no anyway. I eventually bought a DS and Platinum, Emerald, and Leaf Green and managed to hide them for a couple of months but eventually my abuser found them and took them away from me and wouldn’t let me play them unless it was in front of her for only one hour per day if she thought that I “earned” the right to play a game that day which she usually determined that I didn’t. So BDSP are the make up games for me and I finally got all of the Mystery Gift events after being forced to miss them because I wasn’t even allowed to have the internet and Wi-Fi back then.

 

[CommanderWFC]

BDSP made me lose hope in modern Pokemon. I may have disliked Pokemon Sword and Shield, LGPE and USUM, but BDSP is definitely the worst and the most forgettable Pokemon game with no identity to separate itself from its source material. The fact that it ignore’s Pokemon platinum’s improvements and no updated Pokédex from Gen 5-8 making the game feel like it’s still stuck in 2007 and was just a poor choice. Not to mention the awful artstyle or the fact the game was literally incomplete on day one (Which is a big problem in modern gaming) makes BDSP the worst game in the series. As far as i’m concerned, it deserves all the hate it gets and more.

 

[UltraGlitterCat]

I just got Shining Pearl and I'm actually enjoying it. I like the overworld art style, it's the change in graphics when battling that feels off to me. I also like that it's much faster than the original diamond and pearl. It just seems like a cute game to me. Hopefully when I get farther I will find people to trade with me.

 

[Trey pokes]

Didn't mind it, but I guess I had better expectations then what I ended up with.

 

[Bubble Ba'ath]

Pokémon BDSP honestly felt like the most soulless remakes we’ve ever gotten. The chibi art looked cheap, the game added almost nothing meaningful, and somehow it still managed to feel worse than Platinum. QoL changes were bare minimum, difficulty was weirdly unbalanced, and it felt more like a rushed 1:1 remaster than a remake that actually cared.

Sinnoh deserved so much better. Instead of expanding the region or fixing old issues, BDSP just reminded me why faithful remakes aren’t always a good thing