Since you mistyped the first commandment, mattj forced himself into a corner. What's he going to say next?
Could you please show us where I said the words "killing is not always killing"? Otherwise, if you're just going to make up conversations and spout off nonsense, could you please go somewhere else? Please and thank you.
Well, if we're including the Bible, should we not consider other religious texts with the exact same grain of salt as we take the Bible? The Qu'ran, the Kama Sutra, the Book of Mormon, the Acrophya? Why limit it to one holy book?
Good question. Why shouldn't we? I'm all ears.
Sorry, I forgot, the commandment is "thou shall not kill", not murder. Doesnt that make it a contradiction?
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Two things:
Jesus appears to have been referring directly to heterosexual adultery, explicitly using the word "wife" multiple times. Neither of those passages mentions homosexuality. If we're sticking to the explicit, you should bring the passage where he speaks directly on homosexual relations.
I see no explicit change of rules. Jesus appears to have said, "He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her." That doesn't explicitly change the rules; it adds the condition that the first person to cast a stone at the adulterous woman must be someone without sin. Granted, the Bible also holds that every human being inherently is a sinner and so there is a technicality that no human being can start the capitol punishment procedure of stoning, but the rule that those participating in homosexual sex must be put to death remains explicit and unrevoked. Given only the passages you provided here, at least.
(I learn more of the Bible from you than I ever could be bothered to in my own time, and I'm grateful for that. Not least because the passages we discuss happen to be those passages relevant to contemporary ethics.)
An excellent response as always.
I'm 99.99999% sure that there is no verse in the Bible that explicitly says the words "Homosexuality is no longer punishable by death." I don't think that's a problem though.
If you took what I said in that previous conversation about "What the Bible says and doesn't say about the shape of the Earth" to mean that every belief must be strictly based on an explicit spelling out word for word in the Bible, I think you misunderstood me. What I was trying to say is that the Bible doesn't in fact say anywhere explicitly that the earth is flat, square, cubic or any other nonsense, and that the scriptures that those who purport such nonsense do not explicitly say so. So to say "Ha! This verse says the Earth is flat! Therefore the Bible is bunk!" doesn't stand. It doesn't explicitly say that, those words more likely mean that the earth is a sphere, which does make sense.
I'm a firm believer that if you're going to say either "God doesn't like A, B, C" or "The Bible says X, Y, Z" you've gotta back it up with a simple, clear verse. Life is so diverse that as the Apostle John said
John 21:25 said:
And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.
The 66 books of the Bible cannot explicitly spell out every commandment, every admonition, every sin. There are a lot of generalizations and verses that apply to many different things.
The reason I quoted that story with Jesus and the hooker (lol) is because it was a sexual sin with the same punishment. Its a pretty common belief that its message, that adultery no longer requires the death penalty applies to homosexuality, beastiality, and other sexual sins.
