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BECAUSE THE BIBLE SAYS SO!! Does the Bible have a legitimate place in modern debate?

Does the Bible have a legitimate place in modern debates when it has something to say


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Raddaya

My Little Ponyta
I'd really like to see where you found protein and/or lipid in the "dirt". Not to mention a billion other materials of which the human body is made of.
 

Sadib

Time Lord Victorious
I like the fact that this topic is brought up.....just to see everyones opionion is different.
Me myself am in fact a Christian, and stand proudly say so. Many people have stupid Stereotypes about us, such as were a bunch of dim wits, losers, outcasts, unintelligent people, and many many others. Yes we are different people. We are willing to stand up for the right things, to shine the light of Jesus and God through ourselves. This country (America) was based on Christianity alone, and sadly, we are losing that fact everyday. Now i see many people are saying "Just because someone believes it doesnt make it true" or "Science has proved it wrong". First off, many of these people dont even read the Bible, and are so to say, "Idiots" on the matter. They have no say in the matter but just want to get noticed. Next, about Science has proved it wrong, Thier are many references in the Bible that talk about Scientifical Matters, such as the sun (Psalm 50:1)
"The Mighty One, God, the LORD, speaks and summons the earth from the rising of the sun to where it sets." Our bodies, are made from minerals found in the dirt, and so God says from dust we came to dust we Return. Even when the world ends, so many referances, even a whole Book! ( Revelations) So when People talk wrongly about the Bible, you should ask even if they have read it first. Now over here its around Christmas, and the holiday has been so mangled by products, commercialism, santa, that many people forget its meant to be celebrating the birth of Jesus! Alot of people probably think im coming strong and will reply with " Oh, another sensitive Christian". But really, Dont Judge a Book by its cover.

Your capitalization of random words is kind of annoying. I'm pretty sure the founding fathers were deists, not Christian. You think if someone believes in something, that makes it true? The people who say that the Bible isn't correct can only say so because they read the Bible. Your Bible quote doesn't help your argument at all. It's not a huge "scientifical" discovery that the sun rises and sets. What minerals are the Bible talking about exactly?

Ah Christmas! Everybody knows the story of when Jesus was born under a pine tree on December 25 with his favorite reindeer... Wait. That's not how it happened. The Romans didn't have census during the winter. How is it possible that they took a census right after Jesus was born. Oh, that's right. December 25 is actually the birthday of a pagan god that Christianity decided to adopt so more people will convert to their religion. Santa has as much to do with Christmas as December 25.

Don't judge a book by its cover? What in Isa's name is that supposed to mean? "Oh look there's a † on the cover. I guess I'm just going to have to judge the whole book only on that."
 

Kaiserin

please wake up...
I'd really like to see where you found protein and/or lipid in the "dirt". Not to mention a billion other materials of which the human body is made of.

IIRC, by "dirt", we're referring to the contents of the atmosphere and ground of the newborn Earth, which was far different than what it is today. Obviously you're not going to find any in the soil of modern-day Earth, but back when the planet was still stabilizing... yeah.

Also, it never fails to make me laugh when Christians get all offended by the fact that the religious factor in Christmas has been "watered down by commercialism", when in fact, there's nothing religious about it. It's a Pagan holiday the early Christians hijacked; no way in hell was Jesus born in December. :\
 

Mewkachu

Sexuality is a cult.
i don't know, being an agnostic, i'm really not sure if any sort of religious debate has any leverage or any religious book or belief either inside a modern debate. while i believe it is certainly common for some people to believe in the "bible" and the "torah" and etc. and that's all fine i don't think it should have leverage. one's belief can differ from another belief and while that may be the point of a debate is to war over these separate ideas, i don't think that religion should have a part because it can be truly fictional and cannot be proved.

EDIT: CLEANED UP VERSION:
i think that religion shouldn't have a part because it can be truly fictional and could or could not be proved, however, if it couldn't be proved, what's the point of using it to your advantage?
 
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Raddaya

My Little Ponyta
IIRC, by "dirt", we're referring to the contents of the atmosphere and ground of the newborn Earth, which was far different than what it is today. Obviously you're not going to find any in the soil of modern-day Earth, but back when the planet was still stabilizing... yeah.

I'm still going to bet you wouldn't find DNA.
 

Sadib

Time Lord Victorious
IIRC, by "dirt", we're referring to the contents of the atmosphere and ground of the newborn Earth, which was far different than what it is today. Obviously you're not going to find any in the soil of modern-day Earth, but back when the planet was still stabilizing... yeah.\

No part of the Bible was written when the Earth was young.
 

Schade

Metallic Wonder
The bible is a weird thing. I find it quite offending sometimes. I don't exactly remember how or when, just that it was offending.
 

Mewkachu

Sexuality is a cult.
I don't see how you could find the Bible offensive. A lot of it I don't believe but how could it be offensive?
 

Schade

Metallic Wonder
I don't remember. but it is a book that tells you how you are going to live your life.
 

Malanu

Est sularus oth mith
No part of the Bible was written when the Earth was young.
Ummm wouldn't that be covered in Genesis?

Just because man didn't get it till he was ready, didn't mean The Bible wasn't already a best seller in heaven. Or is god not able to write a book about what's about to happen or happening right now?
 
I don't see how you could find the Bible offensive. A lot of it I don't believe but how could it be offensive?

The parts which encourage genocide or the parts which teach you that throwing women into an angry crowd to be gang-raped is a legitimate solution to a problem, perhaps? It's a pretty horrible book.
 

Geekachu

_____________
I don't see how you could find the Bible offensive. A lot of it I don't believe but how could it be offensive?

I'm pretty sure that, when read literally, it can easily offend women and the LGBT community- which is a fair share of the population.
 
You think if someone believes in something, that makes it true?
Would you mind pointing out where he said anything to this effect in his post? No? Thank you.
The people who say that the Bible isn't correct can only say so because they read the Bible.
I have no clue what you're trying to say here. The vast majority of people who do not agree with the Bible have never read any significant portion of it.
Oh, that's right. December 25 is actually the birthday of a pagan god that Christianity decided to adopt so more people will convert to their religion.
Would you mind showing us an historical source, any historical source really, that suggests that the reason that Christians chose December 25th to celebrate Christ's birth was to overshadow some pagan god's birthday?
please and thank you
No part of the Bible was written when the Earth was young.
Would you mind showing us all where in Asuka's post they made the claim that any part of the Bible was written when the Earth was young?

And for the third time I'll ask you, who, before you, brought up the rediculous idea that "the Bible is true because the Bible says so." I don't know who you're arguing with. No one believes that.
The parts which encourage genocide or the parts which teach you that throwing women into an angry crowd to be gang-raped is a legitimate solution to a problem, perhaps? It's a pretty horrible book.
Would you mind showing us these parts which encourage genocide or which teach us that throwing women into an angry crowd to be gang-raped is a legitimate solution to a problem?

No?

alright
 
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GhostAnime

Searching for her...

darkjigglypuff

Borderline Troll
Sol Invictus was the Roman Sun God. A festival was made in order to honor, which fell on the date of December 25th.

It is from this we can trace back just one of the things Christianity has assimilated over the years. It's really sorta funny, since it's basically just a mish-mash of every religion that has ever existed. Very little of it is actually original content.
 
Extraordinary headlines grab attention. I remember listening to that story on NPR when it first came out. The headline could lead people to believe that atheist know more about the Bible than Christians.

yeah
lol
That's not at all what the study found.

If you had bothered to read the report that you linked to (usually a good idea) you'd quickly realize that the subject in question wasn't "Biblical knowledge".
the study said:
questions about the core teachings, history and leading figures of major world religions.
It was questions like, Who was Martin Luther? Who was Maimonides? Do you know this church teaches this doctrine.

Knowing the general teachings, leaders, and history of world religions does not mean that anyone has read any significant portion of the Bible. Most of the stuff covered in the study was subjects discussed on TV and the internet. The point stands. The vast majority of people who do not accept the Bible have not read much of it. There are exceptions, but this is the rule.

Sol Invictus was the Roman Sun God. A festival was made in order to honor, which fell on the date of December 25th.

It is from this we can trace back just one of the things Christianity has assimilated over the years. It's really sorta funny, since it's basically just a mish-mash of every religion that has ever existed. Very little of it is actually original content.
Again, can you quote a single historical source that suggests that early Christians chose December 25th to celebrate Christ's birth with the intent to overshadow some other god's birthday celebration? I don't really care what you think, or what you've been told. What are your sources? How do you know what you've been told isn't just a bunch of hogwash?

thank you
 
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Dunning

God's Soldier
I have 10000% percent faith in the Bible, I know it may be old but from personal experience it still works in today's society.
 

darkjigglypuff

Borderline Troll
Again, can you quote a single historical source that suggests that early Christians chose December 25th to celebrate Christ's birth with the intent to overshadow some other god's birthday celebration? I don't really care what you think, or what you've been told. What are your sources? How do you know what you've been told isn't just a bunch of hogwash?

thank you

Oh, the terrible, terrible irony.

Alright, fine, lemme look some up, then.

http://www.pocm.info/getting_started_pocm.html

http://public.wsu.edu/~wldciv/brians_syllabus/answers/christian.html

http://www.nvcc.edu/home/lshulman/rel232/resource/RileyPaper.htm

Take a look at that last one specificalyl, mind you.
 
your source said:
You'll discover that the real Pagan-Christian similarities are not details of the myths. Each ancient religion had its own myths. No other Pagan godman was born on December 25th, in a manger, with a virgin mother named Mary, and shepherd outside singing.
Contains neither the words "christmas" nor "December", much less a discussion of its origins. Next time read your source before quoting a random google page.
While it was a long article, most of it did not apply to Christmas at all. Unless I missed something the only parts that did apply to christmas contained no historical sources, merely links to other scholarly books.

Again, what historical sources do you hearken back to when you claim that Christmas was an intentional absorption of a pagan god's birth day? I don't care what you think, or what you've been told. What are your sources? If you don't have any it is baseless speculation.

Oh, the terrible, terrible irony.
you said it
 
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