Tisub Lord of Kummi
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the catholic church made their own country in the vatican. and they seem to be successful. i guess it depends on how smart and moneyed the people are.
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Billionaire To Create His Own Libertarian Country
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the catholic church made their own country in the vatican. and they seem to be successful. i guess it depends on how smart and moneyed the people are.
Gen1Trainer
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ya well dis is just 1 guy and hes a retarded n00b like doodles
Tisub Lord of Kummi
Banned
i think the retarded one is you for thinking it will just be one guy doing everything. its like george washington, there is one person with the idea but there are plenty of associates who will do their part.
And YOU are just a Newfag that wants BADLY to be 'cool'
Serebii is crap enough as it is, go back to 4chan, scrub.
Manafi's Dream
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And how solid the ground is. Or, you know, if there is any ground
The church is a little bit different. They aren't one 30 something year old responsible for a whole country. They are well educated, intelligent, and are a huge influence. This guy did what exactly? Create one social website? I highly doubt he has the capability to run a country.
Is this even still happening, anyway?
Tisub Lord of Kummi
Banned
And how solid the ground is. Or, you know, if there is any ground
The church is a little bit different. They aren't one 30 something year old responsible for a whole country. They are well educated, intelligent, and are a huge influence. This guy did what exactly? Create one social website? I highly doubt he has the capability to run a country.
Is this even still happening, anyway?
i guess authoritarian indoctrination causes people like you to have that sort of belief. that regular successful people are nothing without a parasitic government.
im sure that guy can manage with his country. there are several remote tribes who exist in their own 'world' for thousands of years even though they have no other support except themselves.
with his resources and ability to find intelligent people he will be successful.
Manafi's Dream
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Except those people live on land. This guy intends to build a country in the middle of an ocean, where he cannot grow crops, raise livestock, and provide for his people. The ancient tribes are able to provide for themselves, but this guy can't support an entire country on fish alone. He would have to engage in trade with other countries, join the UN to avoid scrambles with the world's major powers, rely on other nations for construction supplies to expand their area for living, etc. This guy can't do it without outside support from other nations, and to be honest, why should anyone waste their time with a rich boy crying for attention? He's just making a scene, and frankly, other countries have better things to spend their money on than a small fake country doomed from the start...
How is doodles retarded? You're the n00b here so don't be so cocky.
Sure he can.
Fishing could certainly prove itself a major source of food, even if not the only source.
Without question.
No.
Quoting from The Futurist Magazine:
“The Institute of International Law stated in its Brussels session in 1936: ‘Recognition of a new Nation is a free decision by which one or several Nations corroborate the existence on a determined territory of a human society, politically organized, independent of any other nation, capable of complying with International Law, and their decision is made public, recognizing the new Nation as a member of the International Community.’
...[T]he UN has received dozens of requests for recognition from various micro-nations over the years. For the most part, these requests are simply filed away and forgotten.”
And from WorldStatesmen.org:
“...[M]icro-nations do not generally have diplomatic relationships with the recognized nation-states of the world or major international bodies (such as the UN).”
And yet they trade. The lot of them. Many exist as profitable enterprises.
So it is flatly mistaken to imagine that recognition by the UN is something needed before trade is to proceed.
I've no idea why you would have contempt for this person, whom you do not know, or would attempt to adjudge his motives, which you don't know either.
Ðew™
Definition of insanity
I quoted this since I have to give a shout out to someone that pointed out the word "libertarian" before I did, thus beating one of sppf's biggest government nerds...me.
Libertarians believe in little to no government. The crazy thing that is the US's tea party consists of these...not all of it, just big part of it.
The question is thus "Will it succeed?" other than "Will it be accepted?". Even a small amount of government, I believe, will still result in lawlessness, thus resulting in a complete failure of the government.
Tisub Lord of Kummi
Banned
the funny thing is that "liberal democracies" love instigating anarchists and turn them into dictatorships once they burn down the old government
I'd say the nation is less of a "libertarian nation" and more of a "i have money so I can do whatever I want nation." The man has money so he can import whatever he wants to his island. He doesn't have any real resources so I don't see anyone actually threatening him any time soon and if anyone dares threaten him, he will most likely come crawling back to the U.S. For protection. The problem with the "micronation" or this being a testament to the "great libertarianism" is that while he makes his country libertarian, he mooches off the United States. The whole situation is about as humurous as internet anarchists. I suppose the real question should be: why should we care about this micronation? (unless the man starts using his island as an excuse to break laws online with facebook, etc.)
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Vermehlo_Steele
Grand Arbiter II
Obvious troll is obvious. <sigh> I yearn for the days when Satfire333 was the antagonist.
The state will feel threatened when/ if this works.
I guess this possible 'Libertania' raises the question, how legitimate is it to just make a nation? Can people or a person just found a country on a whim?
Indeed, I wish this guy success; if it works it'll be something grand. If not, at least there may have been some technological lessons to learn.
You do realise no nation on the planet is truly self-sufficient? Every nation engages in trade and international relations.Manafi's Dream said:
What if the nation works?Manafi''s Dream said:
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I honestly believe that people shouldn't beable to start there own country.
Why you may ask, What happens when there laws are Mis functioned by The wrong ideas or The wrong people. For all we know the person who is creating it can make that place a beatiful place, or Hell Above the ground.
Would I move there, NO. Who says who runs for president, Who makes it to the governer. Its not a board game, or a make up game, Its real. You would have a tiny country as well.
Also How would the goverment work, I know, however the guy who is creating wants it to be, If he wants to have princess and princes then he gets what he wants, But this will be a tiny country vulnerable to storms, Hurricanes even. And What will the Currency be like, What will the Religion be like.
What will be the culture there, What will be the Animals there. There are so many questions to be answered and They havent yet. He or She would need years to figure everything out for the country to run decent
Why you may ask, What happens when there laws are Mis functioned by The wrong ideas or The wrong people. For all we know the person who is creating it can make that place a beatiful place, or Hell Above the ground.
Would I move there, NO. Who says who runs for president, Who makes it to the governer. Its not a board game, or a make up game, Its real. You would have a tiny country as well.
Also How would the goverment work, I know, however the guy who is creating wants it to be, If he wants to have princess and princes then he gets what he wants, But this will be a tiny country vulnerable to storms, Hurricanes even. And What will the Currency be like, What will the Religion be like.
What will be the culture there, What will be the Animals there. There are so many questions to be answered and They havent yet. He or She would need years to figure everything out for the country to run decent
Manafi's Dream
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This grammar scared me
I've actually had an opinion change on this subject from reading my AP US History book. I see no reason to not let him, as about one fourth of our original 13 colonies were started by one man: Rhode Island, Pennsylvania, and Georgia. I think that if our nation started out this way, then there is no telling what the possibilities could be for this tiny country on the sea. However, if he is not very organized or intelligent, then I could see this easily failing.
This grammar scared me
I've actually had an opinion change on this subject from reading my AP US History book. I see no reason to not let him, as about one fourth of our original 13 colonies were started by one man: Rhode Island, Pennsylvania, and Georgia. I think that if our nation started out this way, then there is no telling what the possibilities could be for this tiny country on the sea. However, if he is not very organized or intelligent, then I could see this easily failing.
I completely understand what you are saying on how the 13 colonies were. But there were many men there to help, (back then women didnt help) So if he goes out to his new country he wont have as much help as A0merica or China gets
Also, what happens if he does fail to keep up with his country, Does he "Shut it Down" He wouldnt be able to do so.
So my point against yours manafi is I am not saying you are wrong but you showed if he does fail, what will happen to this country
Manafi's Dream
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He would likely hire workers to get his country started, i.e. housing construction, public buildings, local architecture, etc.
He probably could, but there would be some pissed off citizens if he completely destroyed what he built from the ground (or water) up.
Spme major concerns:
-what kind of transportation system would these people have?
-what kind of sewage system would they have? After all, they'll be living on the ocean
-government system?
-banks?
-education system?
This guy has got a lot of thinking to do...
Masterge77
Floatzel rules!
Just hearing about this makes me think of Kickassia a bit...
ShimmerInTheDark
Ace Trainer
I think that's just silly.