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BL/UU Team. Please Rate!

Sardaukar

Pretty/Witty/Bright
Alrighty then. This is the first competetive team I've ever constructed, so bear with me if it has flaws. The team is not trained yet, so it's fully open to changes. I have very little experience in EV training, so that's something I could use help on.

In any case, this is not likely to be used against Standard teams, so no comparisons to that, please. It's BL/UU only. Anyway, here they are:

Swellow@Flame Orb
Adamant
Guts
31 HP, 252 ATT, 225 SPD
Facade
Brave Bird
Roost
U-Turn

A great starter. I put so many EVs in HP since it will be taking a lot of passive and recoil damage, allowing me to be bulkier than most would expect. It's already got awesome base Speed, so it doesn't need max Speed EVs. Flame Orb activates Guts and gives it the same power as a Choice Band. Combined with STAB, it gains ridiculous damage with Facade and Brave Bird.

Froslass@ Leftovers
Modest
Snow Cloak
4 HP, 252 SP. ATT, 252 SPD
Spikes
Ice Beam
Shadow Ball
Thunderbolt

Pretty typical. It's immune to Rapid Spin, so it will switch in on Rapid Spinners. Obvious STAB attacks, and Thunderbolt for good coverage. Spikes is there for support and works well with it's type.

Seviper@ Life Orb
Timid
Shed Skin
4 HP, 252 SP. ATT, 252 SPD
Dark Pulse
Sludge Bomb
Flamethrower
Glare

Seviper is typically thought of as physcial, so this can work well, since it's Special stat is equally good. Dark Pulse hits Psychics hard, Sludge Bomb for STAB, Flamethrower for Steel types, and Glare to screw sweepers trying to switch in. It can also eat status thanks to Shed Skin.

Relicanth@ Leftovers
Adamant
Rock Head
4 HP, 252 ATT, 252 SPD
Head Smash
Waterfall
Earthquake
Rock Polish

Used later on. Use Rock Polish then cause major damage with STAB Head Smash. Earthquake covers Electric types, and Waterfall gets STAB and chance of flinch.

Claydol@ Leftovers
Calm
Levitate
66 HP, 130 SP ATT, 126 SP. DEF, 180 DEF

Stealth Rock
Rapid Spin
Earth Power
Psychic/ Calm Mind

Bulky wall. Stealth Rock, combined with Spikes, makes for big passive damage. Levitate lets me harmlessly switch into Earthquake and Rapid Spin if I need to. It's attacks are for STAB, although Psychic is pretty much filler right now. Calm Mind, maybe? Lack of good recovery hurts, but it's unavoidable.

Toxicroak@ Black Sludge/Wide Lens
Jolly
Dry Skin
4 HP, 252 ATT, 252 SPD

Earthquake/Stone Edge
Sucker Punch
Cross Chop
Swords Dance/ Fake Out

Hard hitting physical attacker that can kill what Swellow can't. Earthquake because nobody else on my team has it, but Stone Edge is also a possibility (in which case I would use a Wide Lens to help with both of my inaccurate attacks), Cross Chop for STAB and hitting normals like Snorlax, and I can't decide on Fake Out or Swords Dance. Swords Dance would let it cause monster damage, but Fake Out gets me a solid first hit. Both have their uses, but I'm leaning toward Swords Dance.


Well? Thoughts?
 
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Sardaukar

Pretty/Witty/Bright
I would really like to get this team rated before I continue raising it. Especially since I've seen a lot of conflicting lists when it comes to Claydol. Is he considered OU or BL? Most say BL thanks to his many weaknesses compared to his peers, but I don't want to piss people off if he's officially OU. If so, I'll need a new wall.
 
Smogon says he's uu but theyre wrong alot so i'm pretty sure hes BL
Swellow needs protect to activate FO
 

aipomkong

prophecy fulfilled
toxic orb > flame orb

.________.

protect > the useless roost too

edit:

In any case, this is not likely to be used against Standard teams

then what are you using it against? there is no bl metagame, and you can't use bls in uu. the only teams an uu/bl team can face are standard/ou teams
 
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magnemiteZ

Well-Known Member
Smogon says he's uu but theyre wrong alot so i'm pretty sure hes BL
and you're a more reliable source then..................................????????????
It's like there are 100 MistyLover clones knocking about these days :(

Also, I fail to understand your sig kitsune-kun. Why have you got that quote in your sig?
 
well the thing above it means loosely
"There is no medicine to cure your stupidity"
and that is referencing to his need to have brave bird on a scarmory
 

indianunit02

pika...CHU!!!!!
skarmory of the walling variety?!?!?!?!

Actually Brave bird is good on skarmory because the extra power threatens pokemon like gyrados who has a low defense. Also keep in mind that the recoil can be recovered by roost and leftovers.

Also for your team put life orb on froslass.
 

Blue Ace

Pokemon is Dead
Keep in mind guys, this is the kid who doesnt listen to Smogon....

http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/skarmory

Brave Bird is the preferred attack as it packs more of a punch, and that helps running off of Skarmory's mediocre Attack

People dont earn the right to bash smogon until they can stand on their own 2 feet, without relying on their movesets and spreads



Plz learn how to use Swellow, its not meant to live that long anyway, its just meant to hit and run, not stay in and attempt a sweep

Also gj on your spreads, last time I checked 31, 225, 66, 130, 126 arent divisible by four...
 

Sardaukar

Pretty/Witty/Bright
toxic orb > flame orb

then what are you using it against? there is no bl metagame, and you can't use bls in uu. the only teams an uu/bl team can face are standard/ou teams

May I ask why the Toxic orb is better? And as for your question, I should have clarified at the start, but this team is for a tournament on another forum, where it's BL and below. We know it's not a real tier, but wanted to do so for the heck of it, since Standard is getting old.

Also gj on your spreads, last time I checked 31, 225, 66, 130, 126 arent divisible by four...

Are you serious, or just being a sarcastic ass?
 

Blue Ace

Pokemon is Dead
._______.

4 Evs = 1 Stat Point

so anything that isnt divisible by 4 is simply wasting EVs for no good reason....

in 2 turns Toxic Orb recoil adds up to 18% where as Flame Orb Recoil adds up to 24% in 2 turns, during the 3rd turn is usually the turn where Swellow should be leaving, in the 3rd turn both items give 36% recoil, afterwards Toxic Orb does more, but as said before Swellow is hit and run, not a team sweeper
 
its not that I dont listen to smogon it's that their tier listings aren't always reliable
i get plenty of sets from smogon just not the tiering
 

Sardaukar

Pretty/Witty/Bright
Alrighty. So the Swellow needs to be fixed up with more standard EVs, Roost needs to be replaced by Protect, and it needs a Toxic Orb over a Flame Orb. I also needs to fix up the EV spreads. Anything else?
 

221111

Well-Known Member
I don't really like Claydol to much. I think wou should switch him for something else. BTW your Swellow is really good.
 

Sardaukar

Pretty/Witty/Bright
Since my Claydol EV spread sucks, what would a better one be?
 

Rudol Ichiga

The chosen one
I don't really like Claydol to much. I think wou should switch him for something else. BTW your Swellow is really good.

And, how did you help him?:| Wow, I hate people doing this ****.. only for the +1 and not helping at all.. Gosh

On topic: Flame orb its prefered cause Toxic doesnt wear out when you switch.. Ex: you are in turn 3 and switch. When you switch in again you will lose 18%.. See what I mean?

And for the person from whom I quoted is telling you that he doesnt like Claydol as a spinner when he is the best spinner in the game.. WTH!?
Immunity to both spikes+ Stealth Rock resistance+Rapid Spin= Best Rapid Spinner FTW.. So stick with Claydol.
 

aipomkong

prophecy fulfilled
On topic: Flame orb its prefered cause Toxic doesnt wear out when you switch.. Ex: you are in turn 3 and switch. When you switch in again you will lose 18%.. See what I mean?

toxic counter resets when you switch out. have fun wasting hp needlessly using your flame orb

does a thread called 'toxic orb is superior to flame orb' need to be stickied? because people don't seem to be getting the point.
 
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