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[aipomkong]

Salamence (F) @ Choice Band
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Fire Blast
- Hidden Power [Flying]
- Rock Slide

this thing is immense, still the best choice bander there is in my opinion

Swampert (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Torrent
EVs: 240 HP / 16 Atk / 136 Def / 56 SAtk / 60 SDef
Brave Nature (+Atk, -Spd)
- Curse
- Earthquake
- Hidden Power [Bug]
- Hydro Pump

Celebi is switching into a world of hurt, hp bug after 1 curse does 92%-100% on a baton pass celebi with 401 hp/245 def iirc, Hydro pump allows me to catch weezing switches, usually sucks without rest but i have support.

Claydol @ Leftovers
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 236 HP / 16 Atk / 216 Def / 4 Spd / 16 SAtk / 20 SDef
Relaxed Nature (+Def, -Spd)
- Earthquake
- Ice Beam
- Rapid Spin
- Reflect

Reflect is pretty hot, lols at DDtar even more, helps Lax setup as well, reason why i am not running beam on swampert, as i have it on this

Gardevoir (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Trace
EVs: 236 HP / 24 Def / 56 Spd / 56 SAtk / 136 SDef
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Psychic
- Thunderbolt
- Wish

under-rated as ****, this is clearly better then zam, as it actually has staying power. This thing loves non thunder wave blissey/regice, and is basically a more attacking based espeon that can heal itself

Skarmory (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 208 HP / 16 Atk / 252 Def / 16 Spd / 16 SDef
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Drill Peck
- Rest
- Roar
- Spikes

lol normal resists

Snorlax (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Thick Fat
EVs: 140 HP / 96 Atk / 56 Def / 216 SDef
Careful Nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
- Body Slam
- Curse
- Rest
- Shadow Ball

lol curselacks, seeing as everyone *****s zapdos and tyranitar now, i need a lax that can rest, so 'm not using FB/BS/FP/EQ lax =/

I originally had Beam/Surf/Psychic/Recover Starmie and not Swampert but i had Starmie issues when they decide to ch snorlax. Also had Metagross problems which swampert can hopefully sort out a bit.

I think a Hydro Pump/Quake/Curse/Beam, Swampert gives me problems seeing as skarm gets **** on trying to roar it, and pretty much nothing switches into it, unless reflect is up, then gardy can seriously dent it

 

[Delta]

I believe gardevoir is underrated considering that Jirachi does the same job better, and can beat the usual psychic's threats like dusclops one-on-one without a problem

 

[Marauder Artemis]

Yeh, but Gardy doesn't get hit 2x by a quake, and without a cm, jirachi can take a huge hit from Fire Blast from a Sala, but idk, as I'm not too good at making suggestions and fixes. That Gardy is hot tho, I tried it, and the only thing that beats it one on one is Psych Up Regice, but 0ma can predict and switch out effectively, but still watch out for rogue Rest/Bolt/Beam/Psych Up Regices tho, 0ma

 

[Frost10210]

Salamence (F) @ Choice Band
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Fire Blast
- Hidden Power [Flying]
- Rock Slide

this thing is immense, still the best choice bander there is in my opinion
I agree, give it Jolly imo. No1 expects Jolly CBmence>.>

Swampert (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Torrent
EVs: 240 HP / 16 Atk / 136 Def / 56 SAtk / 60 SDef
Brave Nature (+Atk, -Spd)
- Curse
- Earthquake
- Hidden Power [Bug]
- Hydro Pump

Celebi is switching into a world of hurt, hp bug after 1 curse does 92%-100% on a baton pass celebi with 401 hp/245 def iirc, Hydro pump allows me to catch weezing switches, usually sucks without rest but i have support.
Doesnt even kill Standard bi with a curse... No lasting power without rest... Tempts u to keep it in on bi and then u get HP [grassed]. If u use this set... i say more attack less def even with curse.

Claydol @ Leftovers
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 236 HP / 16 Atk / 216 Def / 4 Spd / 16 SAtk / 20 SDef
Relaxed Nature (+Def, -Spd)
- Earthquake
- Ice Beam
- Rapid Spin
- Reflect

Reflect is pretty hot, lols at DDtar even more, helps Lax setup as well, reason why i am not running beam on swampert, as i have it on this
Thats not enough EV's to OHKO mence but wtv

Gardevoir (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Trace
EVs: 236 HP / 24 Def / 56 Spd / 56 SAtk / 136 SDef
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Psychic
- Thunderbolt
- Wish

under-rated as ****, this is clearly better then zam, as it actually has staying power. This thing loves non thunder wave blissey/regice, and is basically a more attacking based espeon that can heal itself
Seriously... at least try Jir

Skarmory (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 208 HP / 16 Atk / 252 Def / 16 Spd / 16 SDef
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Drill Peck
- Rest
- Roar
- Spikes

lol normal resists
Lol sp.def

Snorlax (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Thick Fat
EVs: 140 HP / 96 Atk / 56 Def / 216 SDef
Careful Nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
- Body Slam
- Curse
- Rest
- Shadow Ball

lol curselacks, seeing as everyone *****s zapdos and tyranitar now, i need a lax that can rest, so 'm not using FB/BS/FP/EQ lax =/

lol, curselax. This team needs stalker lax more

I originally had Beam/Surf/Psychic/Recover Starmie and not Swampert but i had Starmie issues when they decide to ch snorlax. Also had Metagross problems which swampert can hopefully sort out a bit.

I think a Hydro Pump/Quake/Curse/Beam, Swampert gives me problems seeing as skarm gets **** on trying to roar it, and pretty much nothing switches into it, unless reflect is up, then gardy can seriously dent it

MS zapdos weak

 

[aipomkong]

1) Jolly mence is ****ing stupid and has practically no offence prowess

2) I know hp bug doesn't ohko celebi after a curse, it's still much better then what ice beam does. who the **** uses hp grass celebi, and i'm not going to leave it in anyway

3) no ****, making claydol ohko mence is ****ing stupid as it takes like 160 satk evs

4) Jirachi is ****ing gay

5) oh noes 16 SDef evs lets lol like a ***got

6) sleep talk lax is gay and loses to milotic

also how do i have a metal sound zapdos weak

1) it's almost never used
2) lax
3) it isn't taking repeated **** from most of my team, seeing as MSdos won't have rest

also if you said MSdos weak because it metal sounds the lax switch, then every team without regice has a metal sound weak, as MS on the switch would beat Blissey as well.

 

[SpaceFlare]

No status absorb but w/e.

 

[Delta]

I´d personally go toxic > reflect on cloydol, otherwise dusclops will block the spin 99% of the time and spikes can really hurt your swampert adn lax since they´ll be doing the walling job

 

[Frost10210]

1) Jolly mence is ****ing stupid and has practically no offence prowess

Has fine Attack and doesnt need adamant

2) I know hp bug doesn't ohko celebi after a curse, it's still much better then what ice beam does. who the **** uses hp grass celebi, and i'm not going to leave it in anyway

Many ppl use it

3) no ****, making claydol ohko mence is ****ing stupid as it takes like 160 satk evs

K... I dont use claydol

4) Jirachi is ****ing gay

No it is not... It does a better sweeping and supporting job that gardy

5) oh noes 16 SDef evs lets lol like a ***got

Ok

6) sleep talk lax is gay and loses to milotic

No status absorb

also how do i have a metal sound zapdos weak

1) it's almost never used
If it is ur screwed
2) lax
Body slam isnt hard enough
3) it isn't taking repeated **** from most of my team, seeing as MSdos won't have rest
I dun get that

also if you said MSdos weak because it metal sounds the lax switch, then every team without regice has a metal sound weak, as MS on the switch would beat Blissey as well.

Man can u swear...

 

[Delta]

Frost10210, your replies are basically asking for that

-jolly mence is stupid: it can´t hit buly waters hard enough once they´re weakened, plus, 299 SPd is enough to beat what it has to (hera, medicham)

-HP grass celebi is barely used, and he can still switch to mence, taking minimal damage

-Gardevoir is underated and works pretty much the same as jirachi. Also, he doesn´t need jirachi when he has a normal resist in skarm

-he has a status absorb, as skarm and lax can both rest off any status

-How´s he screwed against MS dos with lax, and 2 bolt resistances? also, body slam is enough to damage zapdos, and if it´s ms dos, then it lacks rest, which means it can´t switch in easily

 

[Spartan 37]

One question - why is Claydol getting Reflect instead of the great move Cosmic Power?

 

[Spectre]

Reflect can be passed.

This may sound stupid, but HP: Ice Sceptile might give you problems.

 

[aipomkong]

cosmic power just asks for me to be ch'd and without rst it is pointless.
defencive stat ups don't work competitivly, you WILL get ch'd.

 

[dynamo]

opeth like men

 

[Pax Deorum]

What do those 24 Defence EVs defend Gardevoir against?

 

[m0nkfish]

Correct me if I'm wrong but I always thought that the golden rule of defensive EVs was to max HP before you start putting EVs in both defensive stats, except for Hariyama/Wailord and co.

 

[DragonDance]

who the **** uses hp grass celebi

I do!

serious, i do.

 

[aipomkong]

Correct me if I'm wrong but I always thought that the golden rule of defensive EVs was to max HP before you start putting EVs in both defensive stats, except for Hariyama/Wailord and co.

i've done that on every pokemon ._.

also dynamo, iron maiden love anal lube =/

 

[dynamo]

also dynamo, iron maiden love anal lube =/

I'm not listening to Iron Maiden much lately anyway, 2 minutes to midnight has become the only song of their's that I listen to regularly

np: A Perfect Circle - Thinking of you

 

[DragonDance]

I take it that A Perfect Circle is a good band?

 

[Pax Deorum]

It has some good songs like Choke