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Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl Speculation/Discussion Thread!

Captain Jigglypuff

Leader of Jigglypuff Army
Seeing as how Arceus will probably be the final boss of PLA which will somehow be compatible with BDSP, that already makes me excited for the new games coming out this year/early 2022.

As for Manaphy/Phione, Darkrai and Shaymin, I still don’t know how they’ll be implemented into BDSP.
I have ideas of how to implement the latter three into the games via post game for Darkrai and Shaymin and mid-game for the Manaphy Egg.

Manaphy Egg- You meet a Ranger around Pastoria City (either in the Great Marsh, the Pokémon Center or on one of the routes surrounding the city) who tells you a bit about Manaphy and you are entrusted with the Egg. It hatches and you can show the Ranger Manaphy who then gives you a hint about obtaining Phione.

Darkrai- After completing the Sailor’s son eternal nightmare quest, whenever you visit your house, your mom will tell you that a package had arrived for you. Inside is the key to the old motel in Canalave City and everything pretty much is the same except the dialogue when you land on Newmoon Island is a bit different. Darkrai is angry that you woke up its victim who was giving it the strength to defeat its rival Cresslia in battle.

Shaymin- This is different than the original games. Whenever you go to the White Rock, you’ll see Marley who explains what the Rock is and what it does. She then mentions how she would really like to see Shaymin and the Flower Paradise but doesn’t think she ever will. She then suggests that you leave a note of thanks on the Rock. Then a stray Shaymin wanders on screen and looks at the PC and Marley and Marley notes that it looks sad. She then says it seems that Shaymin wants to go ahead past the Rock but there is nowhere to go. Just then a glowing light suddenly appears and the Flower Path is opened. Marley suggests that you carry Shaymin and see where this path leads. It’s a long journey but on the way Marley talks with you and tells you more about why she is so interested in Shaymin and its myths. You get a couple of short cut scenes depicting Marley’s facial expressions and how happy Shaymin seems to be along the way. When you arrive at the Flower Paradise, there is a cutscene of dozens of Shaymin are happily runaround in both Formes. Some are walking among the flowers and sniffing them and some are taking a nap while others are frolicking the air in their Sky Formes. The Shaymin you were carrying Happily joins its friends and Marley says how amazing the place is. She then gives gratitude towards you for helping her see her dream. Shaymin then walks over to you and starts staring at you intensely. Marley then says that it seems to like you and wants to travel with you some more. She then suggests catching it which prompts a battle.
 

janejane6178

Kaleido Star FOREVER in my heart <3
I must admit, I am rather curious as to why we've gotten virtually no news at all since February.

I'm sure the game isn't an entire carbon copy of the original, so there must be something else they can show us prior to release.
Howcan u be sure its not the same game?
 

PrinceOfFacade

Ghost-Type Master
Howcan u be sure its not the same game?

The official site already states the game will contain the "player-friendly conveniences" found in current titles. The two player-friendly conveniences I can think of are automatic EXP and the removal of HMs. This alone will require the game's region and gameplay to be designed differently. And if these aren't what they're referring to, it would be nice to know would be nice to know what those conveniences are.
 

Bolt the Cat

Bringing the Thunder
The official site already states the game will contain the "player-friendly conveniences" found in current titles. The two player-friendly conveniences I can think of are automatic EXP and the removal of HMs. This alone will require the game's region and gameplay to be designed differently. And if these aren't what they're referring to, it would be nice to know would be nice to know what those conveniences are.

I don't agree at all that things like EXP Share and HMs is a drastic change to the gameplay. It eliminates the tedium from the game, but it doesn't actually change anything about the design or gameplay. The only changes they could make to the design that would have any impact really, is changes to the map design, and they've already ruled that out.
 

PrinceOfFacade

Ghost-Type Master
I don't agree at all that things like EXP Share and HMs is a drastic change to the gameplay. It eliminates the tedium from the game, but it doesn't actually change anything about the design or gameplay. The only changes they could make to the design that would have any impact really, is changes to the map design, and they've already ruled that out.

Given there are eight HMs in Diamond & Pearl, the removal of them would indeed be drastic. This is particularly the case for Mt. Coronet, where the HM Rock Climb is essential for reaching Spear Pillar.

In addition, the removal of HMs allows players to play through the game with any pokemon they desire, rather than having to choose pokemon that can use certain HMs (or worse, an HM slave). Personally, I like playing with Ghost teams, which I can only do if there are no HMs.


Now, if the Pokémon Box returns, this will take care of the HM problem, as we could just swap 'mons in and out whenever we need them.
 

Bolt the Cat

Bringing the Thunder
Given there are eight HMs in Diamond & Pearl, the removal of them would indeed be drastic. This is particularly the case for Mt. Coronet, where the HM Rock Climb is essential for reaching Spear Pillar.

In addition, the removal of HMs allows players to play through the game with any pokemon they desire, rather than having to choose pokemon that can use certain HMs (or worse, an HM slave). Personally, I like playing with Ghost teams, which I can only do if there are no HMs.


Now, if the Pokémon Box returns, this will take care of the HM problem, as we could just swap 'mons in and out whenever we need them.

Oh, when you said "removal of HMs", you meant removing the field obstacles altogether? No, I don't think they'll go that far, and they don't need to. They'll probably just replace it with something like Poke Ride or Secret Techniques (which is what I thought you meant by "removing HMs"). Removing the obstacles completely would mess with the nostalgia as much as any other design change, so replacing HMs with a new mechanic that allows you to clear them without wasting a move/Pokemon slot would be the best way to go about this.
 

Prince Amrod

Dragon Tamer
I wouldnt call not having news for over 5 months interesting, nor hyping.
Look at the reaction the lack of news has whenever anything is posted. Multiple people lament how there's nothing new on here alone. Taking that as representative of fans in general, the moment something does get announced, it will have an explosive effect within the fandom.

Which is why its interesting.
 

PrinceOfFacade

Ghost-Type Master
Oh, when you said "removal of HMs", you meant removing the field obstacles altogether? No, I don't think they'll go that far, and they don't need to. They'll probably just replace it with something like Poke Ride or Secret Techniques (which is what I thought you meant by "removing HMs"). Removing the obstacles completely would mess with the nostalgia as much as any other design change, so replacing HMs with a new mechanic that allows you to clear them without wasting a move/Pokemon slot would be the best way to go about this.

No! lol I don't mean removing the field obstacles.

I was definitely referring to an alternative like Secret Techniques, and how those alternatives do change the scope of a region, even if slightly.

Of course, my main thing was the removal allowing players to use any pokemon. I really don't feel like having to drag a Flying type everywhere because I can't go to a bloody Pokémon Center without HM02.
 

BCVM22

Well-Known Member
Look at the reaction the lack of news has whenever anything is posted. Multiple people lament how there's nothing new on here alone. Taking that as representative of fans in general, the moment something does get announced, it will have an explosive effect within the fandom.

Which is why its interesting.

"I'm losing interest in this game, I might not even buy it, they're hurting their sales, also I'm starved for information, when are we getting more info????"
 

Bolt the Cat

Bringing the Thunder
No! lol I don't mean removing the field obstacles.

I was definitely referring to an alternative like Secret Techniques, and how those alternatives do change the scope of a region, even if slightly.

Of course, my main thing was the removal allowing players to use any pokemon. I really don't feel like having to drag a Flying type everywhere because I can't go to a bloody Pokémon Center without HM02.

Then I don't think that is a drastic change. It's still the same map design as always. What changes is there's less trips to the Pokemon Center to get out your HM slave.
 

Prince Amrod

Dragon Tamer
"I'm losing interest in this game, I might not even buy it, they're hurting their sales, also I'm starved for information, when are we getting more info????"
A very interesting technique on their part! Whether it works or not will be shown in November.
 

LeoMessi10

Member
Staraptor used to be the coolest bird. Then Talonflame came and everything else pale in comparison.

Lowkey hoping it'll be avaliable on BDSP but I'm not holding my breath.
We could certainly do with more Fire-types this time around, that’s for sure! It’d give Flint a much-needed team overhaul as well
 

WishIhadaManafi5

To Boldly Go Where No One Has Gone Before.
Staff member
Moderator
At this point, I just want to know the exclusive Pokemon to each game so I can decide which version to get.
 

Tsukuyomi56

Gesshin Powered
Seeing as how Arceus will probably be the final boss of PLA which will somehow be compatible with BDSP, that already makes me excited for the new games coming out this year/early 2022.

As for Manaphy/Phione, Darkrai and Shaymin, I still don’t know how they’ll be implemented into BDSP.
Darkrai could be a follow up to the small event that gets Cresselia roaming around Sinnoh. As for the other three (Manaphy/Phione and Shaymin) I have no idea on the matter.
 

Bolt the Cat

Bringing the Thunder
At this point, I just want to know the exclusive Pokemon to each game so I can decide which version to get.

I mean, we know what's exclusive in the originals, are you talking about post game exclusives? They might not give us any detail on that.

Beyond the usual suspects, I have a sneaking suspicion that they'll make Electabuzz and Magmar version exclusives. I think they might try to add a version exclusive or two from Platinum's expansion and they're the easiest choice (and they could also show up in the same areas that the other was found in Platinum). Might be worth waiting to see what they do there, but other than that we have a good idea already of what the version exclusives are.
 

Wulava

Bidoof'd
Staff member
Moderator
I mean, we know what's exclusive in the originals, are you talking about post game exclusives? They might not give us any detail on that.

Beyond the usual suspects, I have a sneaking suspicion that they'll make Electabuzz and Magmar version exclusives. I think they might try to add a version exclusive or two from Platinum's expansion and they're the easiest choice (and they could also show up in the same areas that the other was found in Platinum). Might be worth waiting to see what they do there, but other than that we have a good idea already of what the version exclusives are.
WIth the lack of fire types, I really wouldn't want Magmar to be exclusive.
 
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