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Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl Speculation/Discussion Thread!

janejane6178

Kaleido Star FOREVER in my heart <3
I dont have problem with the route of the artstyle anymore, or not updating the clothes of the characters etc.. but not including post gen 4 Pokemon is a bad decision imo.
 

Smeargle-Sketch

Sketcher of Smeargles
Ah, well I feel like they're not going to have that many fairly types in the game then. I may have missed some, but only 4 evolution lines are fairy type in the Platinum dex. Wonder if they'll turn others into fairy type.

BDSP has shown to have 493 Pokemon with the gen nat dex in it.

Meaning 7 lines, plus Mawile and Sylveon (if in) will be available in game. Via normal routes, Pokemon Hideaways or Transfer possibly.

20-21 Fairy Types total.
 

Captain Jigglypuff

Leader of Jigglypuff Army
Also Rapidash and Ninetales if regional variants are in this game. It's really not that bad amount of fairy Pokemon, 493 pokemon is not a bad amount anyway.
I have a theory that the foreign Dex entries feature will be replaced by regional form entries with Raichu being the one you get first replacing the German Magikarp trade.
 

Locormus

Can we please get the older, old forum back?
Also Rapidash and Ninetales if regional variants are in this game. It's really not that bad amount of fairy Pokemon, 493 pokemon is not a bad amount anyway.

It might just be me, but I don't see them putting Alolan or Galarian Regional Pokémon in Sinnoh for no good reason - or at least not as regular options during a playthrough unless you trade them in from a file that's already at the PostGame for example.

I mean regular Ponyta is the DPt-dex. That's the part I get. So I assume the speculation is that there might be an optional trade for the Galarian-form somewhere in the game? I don't expect them to be wild for obvious reasons (mostly the 'Galarian'-part).

I expect Sylveon to be usable throughout the game. I don't expect them to pull a FR/LG on us. Stuff like Alolan Raichu, Galarian Ponyta I see as optionable dex-filler mini-quests/events after you've completed the game.

At the end of the day, I just don't care enough.. The only ones that really appealed to me were Alolan Sandslash and Alolan Marowak. I like the idea of Regional Evolutions a lot more. It completely baffles me that one would assume that the same evolutionary step would occur when the basic stage has changed so much. Galarian Meowth into Perrserker makes much more sense then Alolan Meowth into Alolan Persian. Galarian Slowbro and Slowking might as well just be an entirely different set of pokémon altogether in my eyes (Slowdude, Slowmage)..

Rant/over.
 

Mr.Munchlax

Great Ball Rank Trainer
It might just be me, but I don't see them putting Alolan or Galarian Regional Pokémon in Sinnoh for no good reason - or at least not as regular options during a playthrough unless you trade them in from a file that's already at the PostGame for example.

I mean regular Ponyta is the DPt-dex. That's the part I get. So I assume the speculation is that there might be an optional trade for the Galarian-form somewhere in the game? I don't expect them to be wild for obvious reasons (mostly the 'Galarian'-part).

I expect Sylveon to be usable throughout the game. I don't expect them to pull a FR/LG on us. Stuff like Alolan Raichu, Galarian Ponyta I see as optionable dex-filler mini-quests/events after you've completed the game.

At the end of the day, I just don't care enough.. The only ones that really appealed to me were Alolan Sandslash and Alolan Marowak. I like the idea of Regional Evolutions a lot more. It completely baffles me that one would assume that the same evolutionary step would occur when the basic stage has changed so much. Galarian Meowth into Perrserker makes much more sense then Alolan Meowth into Alolan Persian. Galarian Slowbro and Slowking might as well just be an entirely different set of pokémon altogether in my eyes (Slowdude, Slowmage)..

Rant/over.
I'm not as upset as most people, but I can see why they're annoyed. One reason is that they want to have a different playthrough experience from the original DPPt games, and for some people using pokemon from the newer generations is often times the best way to scratch that itch (it's honestly one of the best features of HGSS & ORAS). Another reason is that one of the newer generation pokemon may have become their new favorites, so they might want to travel through the next mainline game with the pokemon they've grown so attached to.
 

Auraninja

Eh, ragazzo!
One problem with having many Pokemon outside of the first four generations is that not many in game trainers will use them anyway. This is a hard point for me to explain, but I'll do my best. One of the aspects of the Pokemon is not only you get to use them, but your opponents get to use them as well. Having too many Pokemon outside of what the opponents use would be a bit imbalanced. Even in FR/LG, HG/SS, and OR/AS, they had limitations on what you could feasibly use before trading before you got the National Pokedex. Personally, I feel like if it does extend past the first four generations, we will get a few others in this game like possibly Sylveon.

Now having said that, I'm still not sold that we are only getting the first four generations.
Here a point of ambiguity: Did this Facebook account erase the message because it was too early, or incorrect.
It is too early to know for sure. In the mean time, just trust the information that is out for right now.
 

janejane6178

Kaleido Star FOREVER in my heart <3
I heard there is no competitive online in this games?
If so then that further makes me believe we wont have post gen 4 pokemon
 

Pokefan_1987

#1 Biggest self proclaimed Rotom-Dex hater.
I heard there is no competitive online in this games?
If so then that further makes me believe we wont have post gen 4 pokemon
They could make a workaround. If they are focusing on Sword and Shield as a main competitive format and don't want remakes to be the competitive format for a few more years then bring back the ALL OF THE missing DEXIT pokemon into a new Sword and Shield update so they can be used in online competitive there. Problem solved.
 

Ophie

Salingerian Phony
I counted five lines. Six if Sylveon is added. You’ve got the Mime, Clefairy, Marill, Ralts, And Togepi lines.
Snubbull could still get snubbed...?

One problem with having many Pokemon outside of the first four generations is that not many in game trainers will use them anyway. This is a hard point for me to explain, but I'll do my best. One of the aspects of the Pokemon is not only you get to use them, but your opponents get to use them as well. Having too many Pokemon outside of what the opponents use would be a bit imbalanced. Even in FR/LG, HG/SS, and OR/AS, they had limitations on what you could feasibly use before trading before you got the National Pokedex. Personally, I feel like if it does extend past the first four generations, we will get a few others in this game like possibly Sylveon.

Now having said that, I'm still not sold that we are only getting the first four generations.
Here a point of ambiguity: Did this Facebook account erase the message because it was too early, or incorrect.
It is too early to know for sure. In the mean time, just trust the information that is out for right now.
Something pointed out earlier is that at this point, there are less than 100 species between Generations V to VII still not available this generation. A large amount of those are starter Pokémon (with no Generation V or VI starts available yet, that's 18 Pokémon, though it will drop to at most 15 when Oshawott is made available in Pokémon Legends: Arceus). Considering very few NPCs use starters anyway, I think it's a manageable amount, especially if it's split evenly between Brilliant/Shining and Legends.

There are also very, very few trainers in Isle of Armor and Crown Tundra; nearly all of the returning Pokémon are not used by any NPCs at all besides AI teammates in Dynamax Adventures. For that matter, Legendary Pokémon are almost never used by NPCs. The first ever NPCs to use Legendary Pokémon were the Frontier Brains of Sinnoh; the first ever one with story relevance was N in Black and White. After that, the only other NPCs in the main series to use Legendary Pokémon were Ghetsis, Lysandre, Hop, and Mustard. Mythical Pokémon are not used by NPCs at all. I don't think it's that big of a concern for them for the player character to have a wider amount of Pokémon than NPCs.

That being said, no one is saying that you'll be able to use post-IV Pokémon before some certain point in the game. It's always been a reward, of sorts, for the enhanced remakes.

Something that would be interesting, however, is if they not only opened up Sinnoh Underground, but also areas where you ordinarily got Mythical Pokémon. Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire did what I thought was something pretty interesting by offering Deoxys to everyone who played the postgame by making it story-relevant. I'd like it too if they expanded one of the many Mythical Pokémon locations in Sinnoh to allow you to get more Pokémon there once their stories are over. Though Arceus is unlikely due to it being at the center of, well, Pokémon Legends: Arceus, the very top of Mt. Coronet would be a logical location to put Minior, for instance.

They could make a workaround. If they are focusing on Sword and Shield as a main competitive format and don't want remakes to be the competitive format for a few more years then bring back the ALL OF THE missing DEXIT pokemon into a new Sword and Shield update so they can be used in online competitive there. Problem solved.
I have a hunch that this was their long-term plan from the start. I remember people noticing that Generation IV Pokémon in particular seemed to be missing from the base game for Pokémon Sword and Shield, and currently, every Fossil Pokémon has returned except for the Generation IV ones, and every Mythical Pokémon has been made available except for the Generation IV ones. By the generation's end, I predict all the gaps will have been filled in.
 
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Mr.Munchlax

Great Ball Rank Trainer
I heard there is no competitive online in this games?
If so then that further makes me believe we wont have post gen 4 pokemon

They could make a workaround. If they are focusing on Sword and Shield as a main competitive format and don't want remakes to be the competitive format for a few more years then bring back the ALL OF THE missing DEXIT pokemon into a new Sword and Shield update so they can be used in online competitive there. Problem solved.

that's 18 Pokémon, though it will drop to at most 15 when Oshawott is made available in Pokémon Legends: Arceus). Considering very few NPCs use starters anyway, I think it's a manageable amount, especially if it's split evenly between Brilliant/Shining and
The Pokémon Direct already confirmed ranked battles will be in SWSH, but I think all we can do at this point is wait & see what happens. Game Freak’s methods may be debatable (or money-grubbing & idiotic to some), but they always have something planned to help players get as many pokémon as possible through each generation, no matter how many games we have to buy to make it happen

I’m hoping that either SWSH or BDSP will get some form of DLC to fill in the remaining pokédex gaps, but all we can do now is hope & wait
 

Captain Jigglypuff

Leader of Jigglypuff Army
So apparently Home is being updated next Wednesday. Maybe we get more news than, I think it's possible the Japanese Pokemon YouTube page has been real active lately so I think are getting something soon
I’m thinking it’s to prepare us for BDSP and Legends. Similar updates have happened for the SwSh Expansion Pass.
 

Ophie

Salingerian Phony
So apparently Home is being updated next Wednesday. Maybe we get more news than, I think it's possible the Japanese Pokemon YouTube page has been real active lately so I think are getting something soon
It could just be that iOS and Android have so many updates that everything that runs on these platforms needs frequent updates just to keep them functional.

We'll find out what it is when it happens though. (Or maybe later than that.)
 

BCVM22

Well-Known Member
Yeah definitely don’t take app updates as signs of forthcoming news. HOME needs routine maintenance updates like everything else. Especially since we’re still varying months out from both releases. What exactly would they be preparing us for this far out?
 

Yveltal91057

Well-Known Member
Yeah definitely don’t take app updates as signs of forthcoming news. HOME needs routine maintenance updates like everything else. Especially since we’re still varying months out from both releases. What exactly would they be preparing us for this far out?
To be fair, BDSP are only two months away which means the coverage cycle should begin on Sunday.
 
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