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Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl Speculation/Discussion Thread!

RileyXY1

Young Battle Trainer
I think not having atleast Sylveon in the game would be really dumb and annoyin.
This evolution is part of Eevee now. Why do we need to regress backward? :/
LGPE did just that, and I expect all remakes to from this point forward because of Dexit.
 

janejane6178

Kaleido Star FOREVER in my heart <3

PsychoLogical

Black and White, Yin and Yang, Light and Dark.
Honestly, I doubt any form of DLC for this game. We're getting Legends in a few months after this releases.

Besides, they can just add the Distortion World and Charon (or any other supplemental character they want to add) to Giratina's story post-game.
ILCA would have to put the effort into doing so first tho which it’s still hazy for BDSP in general even with how it’s technically shown that it’s being improved on.
 

Bolt the Cat

Bringing the Thunder
I will forever maintain that ORAS' handling of the issue was ideal, at least for me. The issue of which evil team was the threat you were dealing with was no longer arbitrary because it was no longer a case of Team Magma/Aqua being heroes in one game and villains in the other, but rather a case of both being evil, but only one got given a necessary leg up from Zinnia to be able to move forward with their plans.

Eh, not really. You still had the opposite version's team helping you which made little sense, and different teams showing up in different locations that felt inappropriate. Why is Aqua in Mt. Chimney? Why is Magma's Hideout in Lilycove? Why is Groudon in Seafloor Cavern instead of Mt. Chimney? Emerald handled all of this much better and much more realistically.

Rayquaza still got a spotlight placed on it via Delta Episode, which remains my favorite post-game content to date. You lost out on having access to both Groudon and Kyogre and getting to see both clash, yes, but that was never entirely surprising.

First of all, why does it matter if it's surprising? It's a remake, it's never going to completely surprising.

Second, there was MUCH more to Emerald that we lost out on than Groudon and Kyogre fighting. We lost out on the Battle Frontier giving us multiple battling styles, Match Call allowing us to rematch gym leaders, the Safari Zone expansion which added more post game Pokemon, Mirage Tower and Desert Underpass which added new areas to explore and allowed you to get the second fossil, and multiple other smaller things. ORAS had some great postgame content, but it was one step forward and one step back from Emerald and excluded the vast majority of what Emerald brought to the table. So it didn't feel like the proper celebration of Hoenn it should've been because it wasn't a definitive experience that represented all three games, mainly just a celebration of RS with them throwing a bone to Rayquaza and then doing a bunch of completely different things.

I'm in the no-DLC camp. Not just because I don't want a Platinum Episode/Distortion World Episode/Whatever locked behind DLC, but because as Wulava said, timing is pretty tight for that sort of thing between launch and Legends. I agree that getting a Delta Episode sort of deal would be optimal here.

I agree that the timing is too tight for DLC so it won't actually happen, and in theory a Delta Episode situation would be better, but in practice in terms of how they did it in ORAS and how they're likely to do it here, we're going to miss out on some of Platinum's content and it's not going to feel like they're properly representing its content.
 

Akashin

Well-Known Member
Eh, not really. You still had the opposite version's team helping you which made little sense, and different teams showing up in different locations that felt inappropriate. Why is Aqua in Mt. Chimney? Why is Magma's Hideout in Lilycove? Why is Groudon in Seafloor Cavern instead of Mt. Chimney? Emerald handled all of this much better and much more realistically.

Ehh, I see this argument both ways. I absolutely don't disagree that Emerald's handling made sense, but none of those things failed to make sense in the remake.

The opposite team supported you because they felt the other was going too far, using Zinnia's help to push their goals in an extreme direction. Team Magma/Aqua were at Mount Chimney because they thought the Meteorite could be converted into a Mega Stone or a Key Stone; this makes no more or less sense regardless of the version you play. The team's base being at Lilycove holds up because Team Magma or no, having a base to store their stolen submarine makes perfect sense. You could turn this in another direction and argue perhaps that Groudon being sealed in an undersea cavern makes no sense and that everything else falls apart by consequence, but given how long its slumbered for, that doesn't feel like a big enough issue to question the integrity of the entire story.

Again, I'm not saying ORAS did a better job than Emerald, per se. What I am saying is that given that they wanted to retain the paired version format and the story differences that entailed, the way they handled it--by retaining those differences while making them entirely more sensible--was the ideal way to do it. Would a singular remake of Emerald have been better? Maybe yes, maybe no; given the end result, I'm not particularly inclined to say it matters all that much.

First of all, why does it matter if it's surprising? It's a remake, it's never going to completely surprising.

Second, there was MUCH more to Emerald that we lost out on than Groudon and Kyogre fighting. We lost out on the Battle Frontier giving us multiple battling styles, Match Call allowing us to rematch gym leaders, the Safari Zone expansion which added more post game Pokemon, Mirage Tower and Desert Underpass which added new areas to explore and allowed you to get the second fossil, and multiple other smaller things. ORAS had some great postgame content, but it was one step forward and one step back from Emerald and excluded the vast majority of what Emerald brought to the table. So it didn't feel like the proper celebration of Hoenn it should've been because it wasn't a definitive experience that represented all three games, mainly just a celebration of RS with them throwing a bone to Rayquaza and then doing a bunch of completely different things.

I agree with you on all points here, but I was talking purely in terms of story. All of these things are great things Emerald had, and not having them in ORAS sucks. But they were well capable of including them in ORAS regardless of whether the story aligned with Emerald over Ruby/Sapphire, and I consider that a separate issue.

They seem to as well, since their decision to exclude the Battle Frontier was unrelated to the games not being remakes of Emerald.

I agree that the timing is too tight for DLC so it won't actually happen, and in theory a Delta Episode situation would be better, but in practice in terms of how they did it in ORAS and how they're likely to do it here, we're going to miss out on some of Platinum's content and it's not going to feel like they're properly representing its content.

Perhaps. I think this part boils down to a difference in priorities. I've never been overly concerned with representation of past content; for all Delta Episode was, it was not really a representation of Emerald's story in any significant way (the only overarching similarity is that both involved scaling the Sky Pillar in search of Rayquaza). In its place we got a totally new story unrelated to past content, and I personally value that much more highly.

I don't think there's a right or wrong to that. If representation of Platinum's content is the priority, yeah, a Delta Episode situation wouldn't be satisfying. But for me personally, getting a new story focusing on Giratina and the Distortion World would be far more enjoyable.

LGPE did just that, and I expect all remakes to from this point forward because of Dexit.

LGPE was it's own, separate thing. It's way too soon to be sure anything it did is evidence of how they'll handle things moving forward.

At most we can reasonably guess any future Let's Go game (assuming there are any) would be handled similarly.
 

Bolt the Cat

Bringing the Thunder
Ehh, I see this argument both ways. I absolutely don't disagree that Emerald's handling made sense, but none of those things failed to make sense in the remake.

The opposite team supported you because they felt the other was going too far, using Zinnia's help to push their goals in an extreme direction. Team Magma/Aqua were at Mount Chimney because they thought the Meteorite could be converted into a Mega Stone or a Key Stone; this makes no more or less sense regardless of the version you play. The team's base being at Lilycove holds up because Team Magma or no, having a base to store their stolen submarine makes perfect sense. You could turn this in another direction and argue perhaps that Groudon being sealed in an undersea cavern makes no sense and that everything else falls apart by consequence, but given how long its slumbered for, that doesn't feel like a big enough issue to question the integrity of the entire story.

Again, I'm not saying ORAS did a better job than Emerald, per se. What I am saying is that given that they wanted to retain the paired version format and the story differences that entailed, the way they handled it--by retaining those differences while making them entirely more sensible--was the ideal way to do it. Would a singular remake of Emerald have been better? Maybe yes, maybe no; given the end result, I'm not particularly inclined to say it matters all that much.

Oh no, I absolutely think it needed to be a paired version, it just would've been better to make it more like Emerald split into two versions rather than its own thing.

I agree with you on all points here, but I was talking purely in terms of story. All of these things are great things Emerald had, and not having them in ORAS sucks. But they were well capable of including them in ORAS regardless of whether the story aligned with Emerald over Ruby/Sapphire, and I consider that a separate issue.

They seem to as well, since their decision to exclude the Battle Frontier was unrelated to the games not being remakes of Emerald.

You can't just isolate the story aspects when it comes to how they'll handle the game as a whole, you need to consider the full package of what is and isn't included. So saying "Yeah, ORAS didn't include some Emerald game content, but the story was good" isn't really a good argument in favor of continuing. You should argue for or against based on not just how Emerald vs. ORAS handled the story, but also the extra areas, extra Pokemon, extra facilities and features, etc. And I would definitely say that in terms of the whole picture, there was a lot from Emerald that ORAS did not do.

Perhaps. I think this part boils down to a difference in priorities. I've never been overly concerned with representation of past content; for all Delta Episode was, it was not really a representation of Emerald's story in any significant way (the only overarching similarity is that both involved scaling the Sky Pillar in search of Rayquaza). In its place we got a totally new story unrelated to past content, and I personally value that much more highly.


I don't think there's a right or wrong to that. If representation of Platinum's content is the priority, yeah, a Delta Episode situation wouldn't be satisfying. But for me personally, getting a new story focusing on Giratina and the Distortion World would be far more enjoyable.

The problem is that the whole reason remakes exist is because the originals are on old, outdated hardware that isn't selling anymore. So if the content from a third version like Emerald or Platinum isn't being included, how can someone that wants that content access it in the first place? They might be able to get away with it if they offered the third version through a VC or NSO type of service, but right now they are not, the only way to buy Emerald and Platinum, and therefore the content currently exclusive to those games, is on Ebay or some other reseller for an original copy of those games. And given how old those games are, they're in short supply and would cost an exorbitant amount. In short, not replicating past content leaves an untapped market.
 

Yveltal91057

Galarian Rapidash is amazing
For anyone still doubting that any of the new pokémon released after the original Sinnoh games won’t be in the remakes, that’s still not a good argument. Even if they’re confined to the postgame, the Sinnoh remakes should still include all of the currently missing pokémon that weren’t in Sword and Shield.
 

Italianbaptist

Informed Casual
This Reddit post showed BDSP’s symbol (like the Kalos pentagon); it’s a triangle with a circle on the inside and 3 circles on the outside.
https://www.reddit.com/r/pokemon/comments/psqpqx
Being unfamiliar with the Sinnoh games, anybody know the significance of this?
 

Auraninja

Eh, ragazzo!

RileyXY1

Young Battle Trainer
For anyone still doubting that any of the new pokémon released after the original Sinnoh games won’t be in the remakes, that’s still not a good argument. Even if they’re confined to the postgame, the Sinnoh remakes should still include all of the currently missing pokémon that weren’t in Sword and Shield.
They also have Legends Arceus to include some of those Pokemon, if not all of them.
 

Locormus

Can we please get the older, old forum back?
You are a wonderful person. Thankyou for giving me hope <3

NintendoDirects hardly ever focus on Pokémon. Those often get ignored and dumped into a PokémonDirect.

Maybe this will feature something on BDSP, but it will likely feature other titles more. I mean you never see a Zelda- and/or Mario-Direct because those franchises always get included in these general NintendoDirects.
 

janejane6178

Kaleido Star FOREVER in my heart <3
NintendoDirects hardly ever focus on Pokémon. Those often get ignored and dumped into a PokémonDirect.

Maybe this will feature something on BDSP, but it will likely feature other titles more. I mean you never see a Zelda- and/or Mario-Direct because those franchises always get included in these general NintendoDirects.
How many hours is it from now?
 

Ophie

Salingerian Phony
Honestly, I doubt any form of DLC for this game. We're getting Legends in a few months after this releases.

Besides, they can just add the Distortion World and Charon (or any other supplemental character they want to add) to Giratina's story post-game.
Do you think Legends will be getting DLC in its place?

NintendoDirects hardly ever focus on Pokémon. Those often get ignored and dumped into a PokémonDirect.

Maybe this will feature something on BDSP, but it will likely feature other titles more. I mean you never see a Zelda- and/or Mario-Direct because those franchises always get included in these general NintendoDirects.
It's not so much that they're ignored as it is The Pokémon Company is legally a separate entity from Nintendo. (Nintendo is a co-owner of it but not the sole owner.) They get the last word on what to do with the franchise. If they want it on a separate video, that's how it's going to be presented.

My best guess as to why it's done this way is because the presence of Pokémon as a franchise differs from the presence of Nintendo in general in different parts of the world. There are places where Pokémon is quite prominent but Nintendo is near invisible, such as Southeast Asia and the Middle East. In those regions, a Nintendo Direct isn't going to get much attention, but a Pokémon Presents would. (As to how that can be the case where people don't care much about Nintendo but eat up Pokémon stuff, most such regions have a focus on the mobile games, the anime, and the card game, though there are a few areas, like Russia and Brazil, where Nintendo systems are bought solely for Pokémon games, with all other Nintendo system exclusives falling by the wayside. They don't care about Mario, Zelda, Fire Emblem, or anything else on Nintendo systems there. Just Pokémon.)
 

janejane6178

Kaleido Star FOREVER in my heart <3
Do you think Legends will be getting DLC in its place?


It's not so much that they're ignored as it is The Pokémon Company is legally a separate entity from Nintendo. (Nintendo is a co-owner of it but not the sole owner.) They get the last word on what to do with the franchise. If they want it on a separate video, that's how it's going to be presented.

My best guess as to why it's done this way is because the presence of Pokémon as a franchise differs from the presence of Nintendo in general in different parts of the world. There are places where Pokémon is quite prominent but Nintendo is near invisible, such as Southeast Asia and the Middle East. In those regions, a Nintendo Direct isn't going to get much attention, but a Pokémon Presents would. (As to how that can be the case where people don't care much about Nintendo but eat up Pokémon stuff, most such regions have a focus on the mobile games, the anime, and the card game, though there are a few areas, like Russia and Brazil, where Nintendo systems are bought solely for Pokémon games, with all other Nintendo system exclusives falling by the wayside. They don't care about Mario, Zelda, Fire Emblem, or anything else on Nintendo systems there. Just Pokémon.)
Do u think wenight get BDSP news?
 
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