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BWS2-07 Iris' Dragonite VS Dawn's Mamoswine! [THIS WEEK: SPECIAL]

Discussion in 'Animé Spoilers' started by Haru-kaa, Jul 12, 2012.

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  1. Remmie

    Remmie Here I go!

    Well she used her Glaceon which evolved not too long ago and it was against Piplup. Piplup had the advantage since they had water next to them, otherwise he would have fall asleep to that Secret Power attack.
  2. Rohanator

    Rohanator Well-Known Member

    Giving Iris a strong Pokemon right before a tournament and having her advance at least one round with it might seem a little cheap, but think of it this way: What would she use against Beartic if Dragonite wasn't around, most likely Excadrill who has a type advantage and would just get an easier win, theoretically speaking. I doubt this Dragonite is much stronger than Excadrill who she has trained for a very long time. So she could do just as well without D-nite imo.
  3. Judgement

    Judgement Well-Known Member

    If you looked at the post I quoted it said "Iris should lose because it's Dawn's cameo" which is pretty much the same as saying "Dawn should lose because it's May's cameo".
  4. Janovy

    Janovy Banned

    It is so sad seeing people who are too close-minded to see the beyond the 'OMG IRIS GETS A PSEUDO-LEGENDARY' crap. Because if they would, they would realize that Iris is using Dragonite twice. Why? She wants to help him, she wants to help herself, she wants to learn and grow into becoming a Dragon Master. Look guys, Iris is actively doing something for both herself, her Pokémon and her goal, she's actively developing while doing her best to establish a connection with Dragonite. She knows that Dragonite has some problems, but she isn't giving up.

    She's working on her problems instead of sitting around and waiting for them to magically get solved by themselves.

    And I don't see anyone in here appreciating that.

    It's just sad that people are so close-minded.
  5. dman_dustin

    dman_dustin Well-Known Member

    Look at past examples of tournaments with the beginning titles.

    In the Club Battle tournament the first two focused on Ash well the 2nd title did, as it turned out the Finals were catered around to Ash.

    In the Clubsplosion NONE of the first three titles focused on the people who went to the finals.

    Since Iris is being focused on these beginning titles, odds are, she's not going to be in the finals (though there is that chance since Ash did go to the finals in the Club Battle) but she's definitely not going to win the tournament (as neither did Ash or Bianca).

    This of course the "pattern" continues, this could be the first tournament where the titles are relevant to the overall focus of the tournament.
  6. PrinceGray

    PrinceGray Anti-Hero of Serebii

    Well she could have done all of that with Axew and if she would have actually took time out to focus, train and develop Axew, she would have Fraxure right now on its way to being Haxorus.
  7. Trainer Yusuf

    Trainer Yusuf VolcaniNO

    The thing is, that can also be easily corrupted into "They are showcasing Dragonite because it has two different sets of merchandise coming in October", depending on how things will turn out, rather than how things should turn out.
  8. Janovy

    Janovy Banned

    Except Iwane (animator) has already expressed the difficulty of animating Fraxure so Axew will most likely not evolve until the end of BW.

    Axew is growing stronger either way, without evolving.
  9. dman_dustin

    dman_dustin Well-Known Member

    Which is all fine and dandy, but if Dragonite's issues get resolved too quickly then there would've been no reason for it to have problems in the first place. Like Emolga's lazy attitude.

    If Iris does lose against Dawn then you're 100% right, then Iris can continue to focus on Dragonite to overcome its issues. Which is why losing is beneficial to Iris's character. Unlike winning a tournament with a disobedient Pokemon which is very detrimental to her development.

    But....we all know how Iris's Pokemon problems are handled......

    Somehow an evolved Pokemon which looks nearly identical to its pre-evolved form with the strongest difference merely being the colors, is somehow makes it how harder to animate?
    Last edited: Jul 14, 2012
  10. Janovy

    Janovy Banned

    Laziness isn't really a problem, everyone is lazy, everyone procrastinates.

    I believe that, since Iris is getting two titles focused on her, that she will lose the second battle, just like happened with Georgia in the last tournament. She was featured in two titles but lost the second battle.

    And how are they handled? Excadrill's "problem" only really took one episode since it wasn't like Charizard problem. Emonga doesn't really have a problem, she's just lazy and that's a characteristic, not a problem. And Axew learned Dragon Rage legitimately, he trained and trained.

    If anything, I find Axew's Giga Impact the biggest BS so far.

    But it's not like they handled Scraggy any differently so I can't really be mad.

    Axew is a mascot.

    If they evolved him, they'd have to keep him animating outside of Iris's hair since a Fraxure is obviously much heavier than Axew so she can't keep him inside. Thus, he'd be forced to walk around the whole time, which, would cost money to draw and animate, I guess.
    Last edited: Jul 14, 2012
  11. Royal_Qeca

    Royal_Qeca Pokémon Blue

    Actually Fraxure's fangs are hard to draw in all his global while moving and all that.
  12. Caseydia

    Caseydia Ace Trainer

    What? It already costs them money to keep Oshawott and Piplup out all the time including Pikachu, so why would it be a problem just for them to draw a Fraxure? That shouldn't be an excuse for it not to evolve.
  13. An00bis

    An00bis Wicked Witch

    Somehow I don't feel that Iris just so happening to catch the Pokemon that carries her through the first round of the Tournament the episode before the Tournament begins is any different.

    In fact, it seems the very definition.

    ... except that characters have carried around much larger Pokemon. Ash carried a 150 pound Larvitar in his arms with absolutely no problem and Max carried 230 pound Munchlax around. Fraxure's only 80 pounds: just 40 pounds heavier then Axew.
  14. Royal_Qeca

    Royal_Qeca Pokémon Blue

    Just? JUST?! Oh I only have 80 pound on MY HAIR... No big deal. Please... I know that anime logical may be unbelievable sometimes but not THAT unbelievable to put Iris in such pain.
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  15. Cresselia92

    Cresselia92 SM Ash = New Ash

    I would find kinda weird seeing a Pokémon as big as Fraxure riding on Iris' hair... hey, I should draw that!

    *takes out a blank page and starts scribbling on it*

    Eheheh... oh, and funny note: hair as a whole can support the weight of two elephants. I can't say the same thing for human muscles...
  16. WaterShuriken

    WaterShuriken Well-Known Member

    Fraxure doesn't have to go in her hair, it can always be the 2nd Max except less annoying.
  17. Janovy

    Janovy Banned

    You know, you guys don't have to correct ME. I was just letting you know what Iwane said. If you want to complain, go on his blog and annoy him with your crappy comments because they're of no use to me.

    Here's what it said:

    Last edited: Jul 14, 2012
  18. Cresselia92

    Cresselia92 SM Ash = New Ash

    It's not that we're correcting you. It's that we find the fact of not withdrawing Fraxure a "excuse" to keep Axew as it is. I know quite well that animating another thing is quite hard. But wait... have you ever noticed that excluding battles or rapid actions characters are hardly drawn moving? They limit to the minimum movement, moving only the mouths most of the time. So... if many images are statics, recycled sequences (Attract, Drill Run and Quick Attack are proof of that) and loops, why can't they add Fraxure too? Hm...
  19. Rohanator

    Rohanator Well-Known Member

    I wouldn't say it carries her through the match, she could very well win with Excadrill or maybe even Emolga.
  20. Joltik-Kid

    Joltik-Kid Same thing, day in;day out ಠ_ಠ

    What are you talking about? It's likely this match is 1 on 1, just like the first match against Georgia
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