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Cameron's Secret Weapon (768)

Discussion in 'Pokémon Black & White - Adventures in Unova' started by Serebii, Dec 20, 2012.

  1. R?IDDl3R

    R?IDDl3R ace trainer

    come on ash you got this!!, man..league is ending soon.. we wont see any of the rivals anymore :(
  2. matt0044

    matt0044 Well-Known Member


    My thoughts exact, General Zod.

    Also this post below sums up my feelings:

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  3. dman_dustin

    dman_dustin Well-Known Member

    No offense to the user's earth logic but I don't know how Full Battle equals 6 on 6 without knowing prior that a trainer can carry and battle with a maximum 6 Pokemon.

    If they said 6 on 6, then I would agree.

    "I thought a 6 on 6 battle involved a 5 on 5" then the questioning of Cameron's logic valid.

    But again since many different things have different definitions of full (a full gallon of milk is different than a full quart of milk), it's a bit too harsh to say that he was a dumbass, I mean he is, but not because he thought full battles were a 5 on 5 battle but because he apparently did not know you could carry 6 Pokemon, I'm pretty sure that would've been an important thing to know for any kind of trainer.
  4. Joltik-Kid

    Joltik-Kid Same thing, day in;day out ಠ_ಠ

    Like I said back when I watched the original, lame and boring league...nothing memorable thus time to let it go
  5. matt0044

    matt0044 Well-Known Member

    Hell, it should've been common sense to any and all Trainers. I'd hate to quote Trip but that's basic. So basic it's not even funny.
  6. Cresselia92

    Cresselia92 SM Ash = New Ash

    Um... didn't they say in the previous episode that the following matches were going to be 6 vs. 6? Bringing only 5 Pokemon was Cameron's fault, but that doesn't mean that is illegal to bring less than 6 Pokemon.
  7. Raptor_Crow

    Raptor_Crow I lied to you all

    And remember, Cameron is a scatterbrain so it must have completely slipped out his mind. Also the focus on not being late to his match with Ash.

    Cameron is especially careless when it comes to numbers; getting the date of the Junior Cup wrong, thinking you need 7 badges to enter a League.
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  8. Caseydia

    Caseydia Ace Trainer

    This is what I don't understand. Why would the writers make someone this dumb in the first place who doesn't even know the basics of league rules. I thought he was supposed to be experienced. And why let him be the one to beat Ash out of Virgil who seems more collected?
  9. dman_dustin

    dman_dustin Well-Known Member

    I don't know what the dub did, but I'm pretty sure they were only referred to as full battles. And unless you knew about full battles, it doesn't automatically equate to it being 6 on 6, we know that a full battle is a 6 on 6, but because we were told that's what it meant.

    But if someone didn't know jack about Pokemon, like say your hypothetical cousin in a country that has no internet, or knowledge of Pokemon, it's unlikely he'll be able to discern that full battles = 6 on 6 battles.

    Now Cameron obviously knows something about Pokemon, he's a trainer with conveniently powerful Pokemon, and you'd think he would know what a full battle actually is. But it could've easily been something that was never came up, similar to the situation, where you're trying to find someone and you coincidentally keep missing them.

    Or it could be as simple as he was lied to by his parents, or something, who only wanted him to carry 5 Pokemon instead of 6, although his reaction was clearly more because of the former than the latter.

    I mean looking at Cameron and who he is, I could see why his parents were to hypothetically lie to him, I mean could Cameron even take care of 6 Pokemon once, or is he going to forget, and then when he does remember, he sends out his Pokemon only to find a pile of bones.
  10. WaterShuriken

    WaterShuriken Well-Known Member

    dman even in the japanese version, Freddy stated that the next round was 6 vs 6.
  11. AuraChannelerChris

    AuraChannelerChris "And just what are you starin' at?"

    So in the end, it's the trainers' parents that never taught their children proper lessons.
  12. Almighty Zard

    Almighty Zard He has returned.

    Dman, the point i'm trying to make is, the fanbase wasn't expecting much of Ash's team before the league, so complaining about their preformance and Ash's preformance in general is pointless.
  13. dman_dustin

    dman_dustin Well-Known Member

    All I heard was "Full Battle"

    I know Cameron is scatterbrained, but he had to hear something, to make it seem like he knew it was a full battle, even if he believed it was just a 5 on 5.

    If all Freddy said was "6 on 6" then clearly Cameron was a really huge mistake to be included.

    I can understand getting "full battle" mixed up, under the assumption he never knew what a real full battle.

    But there's no excuse for ash to lose to someone who thought 6 on 6 meant 5 on 5.
  14. wobbanut

    wobbanut Team Awesome

    Hahaha, I liked Oshawott's reaction to the twerps thinking Ash was using him as a throwaway pokemon. Poor oshawott. Too bad Oshawott hasn't learned any ice moves, at least it could have done a little damage to hydreigon then. Speaking as someone who had her back end handed to her by Ghetsis's hydreigon several times over on White, I'd go for the fast KO on that thing. :p I also liked the comments on Cameron and Bianca being scatterbrained. LOL

  15. J Ken

    J Ken RAVE

    I would have preferred Ash lost in the preliminary round to Cameron honestly.
    Last edited: Jul 2, 2013
  16. NPT

    NPT Just a member

    This episode sucked!
    The whole battle just felt rushed. First, Cameron's secret OP weapon Hydriegon took out Ash's Boldore, then Ash sent out.......Oshawott of all Pokémon against Hydriegon! That was a really...really bad choice. I think Bianca was right about Oshawott, he really was a throw-away Pokémon.
    As expected, Oshawott got knocked out by Hydriegon before Ash's Pignite finally defeated it. After that Cameron sent out Ferrothorn against Pignite ???! Seriously Cameron, how stupid can you get? Ferrothron got knocked out by Pignite's one Flamethrower attack, so Cameron sent out Samurott. Samurott had the type advantage, so it took Pignite out and Ash sent out Pikachu. Samurott and Pikachu's battle were rushed and defeating Samurott with Iron tail instead of Thunderbolt of Electro Ball seemed kinda cheap. Using Swanna against Pikachu was total joke. As expected, Swanna went down easily, just like Ferrothorn.

    Then Cameron revealed the most stupid part of this episode! Cameron revealed that Riolu is his last Pokemon ..... Now that was just ridiculosly stupid! Cameron thought a full battle is 5 on 5, so he didn't even bother bringing a sixth Pokemon with him. Whoa....seriously? Things like this really annoys me! Being a scatterbrain dosen't cut making a ridiculous mistake like that. *Sigh*, it makes me wonder how in the world he got away with breaking a league rule? He should've been disqualified for this, but sadly he didn't......Sigh!

    So Ash recalled Pikachu and sent out Unfezent, but Riolu easily defeated her and Ash choose Snivy.
    It looked like Snivy had the upper hand in the battle but then... Mid-battle Evolution happened! Now it seemed like Snivy and Pikachu might lose to Lucario in the next episode.
    Overall, this episode was stupid.....that's all.
    Last edited: Jan 10, 2014
  17. phanpycross

    phanpycross God-king

    Dont know if anyone pointed this out but Ash losing 5v6 is a big **** you to the idea of Ash, he is supposed to be the "underdog", so giving him an advantage is just stupid.

    in retrospect this might be my least favorite episode of the entire show.

    with all the glorification pignite and pikachu got, ive named them Piggybank, and Pikaching.
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  18. LizardonX

    LizardonX Banned

    In the games hydeign alone would have swept ash several times over, so ash is still the underdog.
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  19. yuoke

    yuoke Treasure huntin'

    Ash would be a underdog in the majority of his battles just going based off the games.
  20. LizardonX

    LizardonX Banned

    Exactly. The only time he was the upperdog was the battle vs casey.
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