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Capital Punishment: Right or Wrong?

Is Capital Punishment right?

  • Right

    Votes: 34 44.7%
  • Wrong

    Votes: 42 55.3%

  • Total voters
    76
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Snipehsheep

Scottish American
In my opinion, kill all murderers, rapists, and kidnappers in cases where there is conclusive evidence or the man has pleaded guilty. Save us some money, and tear down some prisons to build something a bit more useful to society.
 

Pokemom

TCG Gym Leader, Ret.
wrongful convictions: A trial is a play and the jury votes for the better actors...too many times the minorities and those lacking education get the shaft. Sadly that shaft also includes capital penalties.

http://www.innocenceproject.org/

"In 2003 alone, 10 wrongfully convicted defendants were released from death row."

http://www.amnestyusa.org/our-work/...ath-penalty-facts/death-penalty-and-innocence


Washington, D.C. ("District of Columbia" someone else mentioned): Two reasons here, Diplomatic Immunity resulting in Deportation if anything, and Lack of Death penalty in the District itself (ever wonder why Beltway got tried in VA?). The fact that the last census shows almost 1 in 10 DC residents as being ex-convicts might also have something to do with it (recidivism, much?): about 60,000 out of 601,723.


Cost of Capital Sentencing:

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...sg=AFQjCNFH_HZuATxHCJZFNZwKkU0Dtw6eyQ&cad=rja

2007 University study of 3 states' LWOP vs Death. Adobe download.


also: "The greatest costs associated with the death penalty occur prior to and during trial, not in post-conviction proceedings. Even if all post-conviction proceedings (appeals) were abolished, the death penalty would still be more expensive than alternative sentences." from Amnesty International: http://www.amnestyusa.org/our-work/issues/death-penalty/us-death-penalty-facts/death-penalty-cost


Deterrence: "The threat of execution at some future date is unlikely to enter the minds of those acting under the influence of drugs and/or alcohol, those who are in the grip of fear or rage, those who are panicking while committing another crime (such as a robbery), or those who suffer from mental illness or mental retardation and do not fully understand the gravity of their crime."

http://www.amnestyusa.org/our-work/...enalty-facts/the-death-penalty-and-deterrence

Note, again, that executions were never intended to be a deterrent.
 

The Director

Ancient Trainer
Although I do think that there are instances of people who should die to save future victims I would never trust a system or person to be able to judge correctly on this as systems are prone to flaws and people are susceptible to emotion, bias and false information. So there shouldn't be capiital punishment. Although on this subject has anyone read the Death Note series?
 

Arachnae

Princess Arachnid
most prisons arent even that bad these days.. they got gyms, basketball courts, pool tables, not to mention the taxpayers' money goes towards feeding that person and keeping them in prison for their lifelong sentence.


I 100% support capital punishment. not even necessarily in execution, but as deterrence.

for example, in saudi arabia the punishment for stealing is getting your hand cut off. as a result, nobody ever steals. and then i look at canada, where my brother has been mugged many times and the cops didnt do fuck all. i am sick of the justice system trying to hard to give criminals so many rights.
its deterrence. its human nature to be selfish and evil, and i believe the only way to control that is to have people fear the consequences.

just my opinion tho

While I can't say I see stealing as deserving that kind of a harsh punishment; I must say I have a similar theory, a theory that the only method of obtaining peace is through fear. As sad as that sounds, many humans have so much evil in them, not all, but many. Because of the selfish and Self-Superior nature that all humans can potentially posses, it is not unreasonable to suggest that a majority of these humans will be able to justify anything to themselves, regardless of laws, and general social values. But this type of human is also a very weak type of human, fear could consume them fully, which, although they would not really become good people, they will more often than not choose not to act upon those evil intentions.

In short, I do agree with the death penalty, although as an Australian it has never been a reality for me. I can see both sides of the argument, and I feel as though we all have similar values when it comes to rejecting crime, however, I also feel that there is a point when we spit into either category, and we each justify that in our own ways, not just to ourselves, but to others.

In the short of it all, here is my belief:
People who ruin lives, and take lives deserve to have their lives taken away. This only includes rapists, cases of child molestation and murderers (I suppose there would be a few other cases but I haven't thought about that). I feel that the mental scars left from genuine rape (NOTE: I do not mean "taking advantage of a drunk girl"), as well as molestation are often deep enough to ruin whole lives, Think close to home for a moment as opposed to thinking with cold logic about this scenario: Your mother/brother/sister/etc was severely raped, and murdered. What does the culprit(s) deserve?

Think about that for a moment, now think about how it would impact your life, how would it impact your mother's life? Now, I hope most of you can, as opposed to looking at these situations inside of a box, look at how catastrophic they can be. I'm not asking you to agree with me, but just understand what I'm trying to say.

As for the whole order of events that is Killed, then proven innocent. I can't really say a lot. I feel as though the best resolution I can see at the moment would be to keep these people in prison for some years, and then put them to death, this is absolutely not a perfect method, but it would dramatically lower the amount of innocents killed.

Now, its late here, so forgive any grammatical or formatting errors please.
Also, I'm aware there are a few things I probably forgot to address, but if someone brings it up, I will give my opinion.

Thanks =3

EDIT:
Although I do think that there are instances of people who should die to save future victims I would never trust a system or person to be able to judge correctly on this as systems are prone to flaws and people are susceptible to emotion, bias and false information. So there shouldn't be capiital punishment. Although on this subject has anyone read the Death Note series?

I do agree that the world needs a better system if the death penalty is to be used.
And yes, I love Death Note, its actually very relevant to this now that I think about it =D
 
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Ununoctium

Well-Known Member

J.T.

ಠ_ಠ
A very socialist leaning website (I can tell from some of the pixels and from having "amnesty" in it's name), do you have another source?

"I don't like what this website says, so I'll call it socialist and pretend it doesn't exist rather than actually disproving the information on it"

Also lol @ your crippling fear of socialism.
 

Ludwig

Well-Known Member
The death penalty is 100% effective. Every person put to death has never killed again!!!

How do you know that no corpse from an executed person have ever spread a disease that killed someone? (This includes all human, even those that lived 5000 years ago).
 

Lulu_used_SunnyDay

Petal Blizzard
Absolutely wrong. We punish murder as a crime, so why should law forces commit it themselves? No one should have the right to take away someone's life, no matter the reasons.

EDIT: Damn, I can't believe the poll shows about 50-50!
 

Pokemom

TCG Gym Leader, Ret.
A very socialist leaning website (I can tell from some of the pixels and from having "amnesty" in it's name), do you have another source?

There are multiple sources linked in the post referenced, including Innocence Project and a university study partially funded by US DoJ. There are also more sources online if you go look for them.

I posted Amnesty as a counter point to the sources by some others previously in this thread....they all say pretty much the same thing, though.
 

Malanu

Est sularus oth mith
Luann the final punishment for murder is in some states death. And a just verdict in the case of multi murderers.

Ludwig, I checked the internet!
 

Ludwig

Well-Known Member
Luann the final punishment for murder is in some states death. And a just verdict in the case of multi murderers.

Ludwig, I checked the internet!

The internet doesn't know what happened to every human ever executed. It is close to impossible that no executed person ever killed someone, according to school, it was common that corpses spread diseases about year 1000-1300 and people were executed at that time. people were executed at other times too and the corpses from those executed people could had spread diseases that killed someone.
 

J.T.

ಠ_ಠ
The death penalty is 100% effective. Every person put to death has never killed again!!!

Um... no ****? Ludwig's amusing disease argument aside, the deterrence argument isn't whether it stops people who have already committed crimes from committing more of them, it's about whether it stops people from committing those crimes in the first place.
 

deoxysdude94

Meme Historian
If I were gonna go to jail, I would rather die.

So yes, I do think it's acceptable.
 

Arachnae

Princess Arachnid
Um... no ****? Ludwig's amusing disease argument aside, the deterrence argument isn't whether it stops people who have already committed crimes from committing more of them, it's about whether it stops people from committing those crimes in the first place.

I feel as though we can never be clear on this though... I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but I can't imagine very many people coming out and saying "I was going to kill this guy, but I was stopped from the fear of capital punishment." or something similar. If people did do this then its likely that many would be forced to see a psychiatrist. I just can't see an effective way to determine "whether it stops people from committing those crimes in the first place."
 

7 tyranitars

Well-Known Member
If I were gonna go to jail, I would rather die.

So yes, I do think it's acceptable.

If I were gonna go to jail, I would rather not die.
So no, I don't think it's acceptable.

See how this works both ways?
 

Aeral

asdfkghl;'
At first I hated capital punishment, thinking it's a horrible thing. After a few I realized that I would rather die than live in a jail my whole life.
If it would be restricted only to mass murderers I wouldn't have very much against it, but, sadly, people who actually haven't killed anyone or didn't mean to kill also get death penalty. Because of this, I'm opposing it for now. I'm still very young, so it can change.
 
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