Changes to 4th Gen Competitive Battling NO GARCHOMP DISCUSSION!

[~Goth~]

Can someone post the UU list?^^pls pls

 

[SHUCKLE MAN]

Can someone post the UU list?^^pls pls

This is the UU list, using the old banlist. Pokemon that aren't listed here, that aren't OU or BL, are NU. There are 52 'OU' UU Pokemon.

Absol
Aggron
Altaria
Articuno
Banette
Blastoise
Claydol
Clefable
Drapion
Drifblim
Electrode
Froslass
Gastrodon
Glaceon
Golduck
Gorebyss
Grumpig
Hitmonchan
Hitmonlee
Hitmontop
Hypno
Jynx
Kabutops
Kangaskhan
Lanturn
Lapras
Leafeon
Lopunny
Manectric
Mantine
Meganium
Miltank
Muk
Nidoking
Nidoqueen
Ninetales
Omastar
Persian
Poliwrath
Primeape
Probopass
Rotom
Sandslash
Scyther
Sharpedo
Steelix
Swellow
Toxicroak
Venomoth
Venusaur
Vileplume
Weezing

 

[~Goth~]

Absol
Aggron
Altaria
Articuno
Banette
Blastoise
Claydol
Clefable
Drapion
Drifblim
Electrode
Froslass
Gastrodon
Glaceon
Golduck
Gorebyss
Grumpig
Hitmonchan
Hitmonlee
Hitmontop
Hypno
Jynx
Kabutops
Kangaskhan
Lanturn
Lapras
Leafeon
Lopunny
Manectric
Mantine
Meganium
Miltank
Muk
Nidoking
Nidoqueen
Ninetales
Omastar
Persian
Poliwrath
Primeape
Probopass
Rotom
Sandslash
Scyther
Sharpedo
Steelix
Swellow
Toxicroak
Venomoth
Venusaur
Vileplume
Weezing

so...no Crobat,Blaziken...Zangoose?'____' cuz I was refearing to the new changes

 

[SHUCKLE MAN]

so...no Crobat,Blaziken...Zangoose?'____' cuz I was refearing to the new changes

Oh, with the new changes, a list of the 'OU' UUs would look something like...

Abomasnow
Absol
Ambipom
Arcanine
Azumarill
Blastoise
Blaziken
Chansey
Charizard
Claydol
Clefable
Cradily
Crobat
Empoleon
Flygon
Froslass
Gardevoir
Hariyama
Haunter
Hitmontop
Honchkrow
Houndoom
Kabutops
Kadabra
Ludicolo
Marowak
Medicham
Milotic
Mismagius
Porygon2
Raikou
Registeel
Rhyperior
Roserade
Rotom-C
Sceptile
Shedinja
Shuckle
Slowbro
Smeargle
Spiritomb
Steelix
Tangrowth
Umbreon
Uxie
Venusaur
Walrein
Weezing
Wynaut

However, I can't say how accurate this list is, as we don't have any statistics for the proper UU yet, unfortunately.

 

[~Goth~]

Abomasnow
Absol
Ambipom
Arcanine
Azumarill
Blastoise
Blaziken
Chansey
Charizard
Claydol
Clefable
Cradily
Crobat
Empoleon
Flygon
Froslass
Gardevoir
Hariyama
Haunter
Hitmontop
Honchkrow
Houndoom
Kabutops
Kadabra
Ludicolo
Marowak
Medicham
Milotic
Mismagius
Porygon2
Raikou
Registeel
Rhyperior
Roserade
Rotom-C
Sceptile
Shedinja
Shuckle
Slowbro
Smeargle
Spiritomb
Steelix
Tangrowth
Umbreon
Uxie
Venusaur
Walrein
Weezing
Wynaut

the ones in bold...OMG!that would be awesome in a way...

oh,& no Zangoose & Pinsir?


I prob am annoying LOL

 

[LightingKimba]

Well, Weavile used to be top-tier OU. It was the 7th most used Pokemon in October 2007. Exactly a year later, in October 2008, Weavile comes 23rd, but it's still very far off being BL/UU.

Electivire came 22nd in October 2007, and in October 2008 it came 31st. If Weavile and Electivire keep falling at this rate, Electivire will soon be more used than Weavile. But anyway, Weavile is far off dropping to BL/UU too.

Gallade is a different story though. It came 48th this month, so it only scraped it into OU this time. Gallade was 51st in October 2007, so it was BL back then! Gallade, like Alakazam, Umbreon, Crobat, Roserade, Donphan, Aerodactyl and others, is one of those Pokemon that are destined to be fluctuating between OU and BL/UU every few months.

So, to sum up, I can safely say that Weavile and Electivire will be OU for a long time. Gallade however, actually spends more time in BL than it does in OU. It's OU now, but I suspect this is just a temporary thing.

In other words, the OU tier follows with the usage of the pokémon, like if pokémon A goes below the line of 50th, it's BL?

 

[~Magic Thunderbolt~]

Oh, with the new changes, a list of the 'OU' UUs would look something like...

Abomasnow Makes Glalie and Flass useful
Absol Lategame sweeper
Ambipom Scary lead, needs to go up ASAP
Arcanine Another good lead
Azumarill Not even Steelix stops this beast 100% of the time
Blastoise Spinner
Blaziken Ape outclasses it severely
Chansey Good special wall, but don't rely on it
Charizard Bellyzard will own here
Claydol Spinner+Mixed wall
Clefable Versatility ftw
Cradily What will it do?
Crobat Scary fast sweeper from both ends
Empoleon Special wall with nice resists
Flygon Sweeper with Roost abuse
Froslass Stops spinners
Gardevoir Trace everything back
Hariyama Best fighter in UU
Haunter Mini-Gengar
Hitmontop Spinner with Technician
Honchkrow Like Crobat
Houndoom Good sweeper
Kabutops Rain team staple
Kadabra Mini-Kazam
Ludicolo Rain team staller
Marowak Trust me, he's too strong
Medicham Meh.
Milotic UU Bulky Water
Mismagius Haunter with better defenses
Porygon2 It deserves to be OU
Raikou Meh, Steelix will eat it
Registeel Kinda useless
Rhyperior Makes Golem obsolete
Roserade Best powder carrier
Rotom-C What does it do again?
Sceptile Fastest SubSeeder
Shedinja Easy to counter
Shuckle King of walls
Slowbro Best Fighting type counter
Smeargle Bellypasser
Spiritomb Good wall
Steelix Best Physical UU wall
Tangrowth Grass type Tank
Umbreon Useful tank
Uxie Meh. Mini Cresselia
Venusaur Versatile poke
Walrein Works best with Abomasnow
Weezing Great physical wall
Wynaut Oh no. just no.

However, I can't say how accurate this list is, as we don't have any statistics for the proper UU yet, unfortunately.

Opinion in bold.

 

[Cousin_Dan]

Cradily What will it do?

I think Cradily is a Staller there that just sits and be's annoying as it refuses to die.

 

[Atoyont]

Unfortunately its weaknesses are extremely common, and it only resists two types.
Seed Bomb helps the Physical sets, though.

 

[Spire]

Weavile was a good Garchomp counter since it outran it and hit hard, but It's usage for that, plus more fire types, means it will go down in popularity in the battle field.

I chuckled.

Also, I wouldn't really call Registeel "useless", as it's a good way to reliably stop Shaymin-S.

 

[~Magic Thunderbolt~]

Considering Cradily's weaknesses to Fighting and Ice, Its best used as a special wall in SS.

Registeel is a good Skymin counter too, but it quickly lost popularity.

 

[Spire]

Registeel is a good Skymin counter too, but it quickly lost popularity.

If I remember correctly, Crobat is the best counter to Shaymin-S, with its immunity to flinching and Earth Power, 4x resistance to Grass, decent defensive stats, and the ability to outspeed and OHKO with Brave Bird.

All it really has to do is avoid switching in on HP Ice, Substitute and/or Stealth Rock.

 

[~Magic Thunderbolt~]

It's pointless to flinch something faster. Is Air Slash a 3HKO or a 2HKO on Crobat?

 

[Spire]

It's pointless to flinch something faster. Is Air Slash a 3HKO or a 2HKO on Crobat?

I'm honestly not sure, but I'd wager it's a 2HKO.

However, Crobat's faster, so Shaymin-S can't get that extra Air Slash in.

EDIT: I've asked around, and I've gotten a whole bunch of "It doesn't matter".

 

[~Magic Thunderbolt~]

What would it use to hit Skymin with? Sludge Bomb, Brave Bird, Heat Wave, or even HHP Ice for all I know.

 

[Yami ookami]

Crobat does seem like the best counter. Grass = .25%

 

[Spire]

What would it use to hit Skymin with? Sludge Bomb, Brave Bird, Heat Wave, or even HHP Ice for all I know.

and the ability to outspeed and OHKO with Brave Bird.

And there's your answer.

 

[Ninterror X]

Another good counter is Weavile! It can out run it and ice punch Skymins face to the ground.

 

[Ryuusei]

Ice Shard Mamoswine.

Anything with a good attack stat and Ice Shard can pretty much ohko Skymin cause of the 4x ice weakness.

 

[Atoyont]

Weavile's Speed is lower than Skymin's, you know.
Although it's unlikely to be OKHOed by any of its attacks.