Read posts!!! I said physics not math and you seem like a narcissist to me so you probably do notice everyones mistakes.
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Cloning Extinct animals
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Read posts!!! I said physics not math and you seem like a narcissist to me so you probably do notice everyones mistakes.
Richarizard
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And what you're saying, is that you can't possibly make a mistake.
GetOutOfBox
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Metagross Guy
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"In 2003, scientists attempted to clone the extinct Pyrenean Ibex (C. p. pyrenaica). This initial attempt failed; of the 285 embryos reconstructed, 54 were transferred to 12 mountain goats and mountain goat-domestic goat hybrids, but only two survived the initial two months of gestation before they too died.[53] In 2009, a second attempt was made to clone the Pyrenean Ibex; one clone was born alive, but died seven minutes later, due to physical defects in the lungs.[54]"
Is a quote from the "Extinct" section of wikipedia : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extinction I really suggest you read it. From the hybrid, The original animal would have been formed after some intense research.
GetOutOfBox
Original Series Fan
So you agree that it is currently beyond our current technology to clone an extinct animal? Sure looks like it, considering the "the animal would have been formed after some intense research" statement.
Metagross Guy
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In a way but dude a Hybrid was formed that died after seven minutes, on wikipedia it was the first animal to be revived from the extinct stage..so it actually was cloned, the genes are still of the extinct animal but too bad it didnt live.
GetOutOfBox
Original Series Fan
It was born with defects. The cloning was not successful. Defects are a result of a failure in the cellular division process, as a result of either improper cloning methods, or degraded DNA.
Regardless, the scientists attempting to clone the mammoth haven't even been able to extract DNA intact enough to be of even potential use in cloning. They haven't even gotten past actually obtaining DNA, so it's going to be a while yet before there's actual attempts of cloning being considered.
YES ON SO MANY LEVELS.
But back to the actual debate.
@OP you seem to assume that scientists would clone wool mammoths and let them go out and frolic across the snowscape. It was heavily implied in your post you assume scientists are going to revive the species as a whole or open some cheesy theme park with extinct animals.
NONE OF THIS IS TRUE OR PHYSICALLY POSSIBLE.
What would stop these mammoths from being released into the outside world?
About 10,000 years of bacteria and virus evolution the mammoth would not have the immunity system to fend off.
Being able to clone extinct animals from preserved DNA is a vital experiment and here is why:
The research and insight gained from this experiment will help us to further understand genes, DNA, etc. and allow for us to help repopulate or restore populations of species that we wiped out.
GetOutOfBox
Original Series Fan
If a clone is born with genetic defects, the cloning process failed. The very essence of cloning is to produce an exact copy of genetic material and in turn use that copy to produce an organic being completely identical (though due to minor mutations in the DNA, clones are rarely "perfect" clones, they usually end up with distinct DNA) to the subject cloned. If at any point in the process the DNA becomes corrupt, you have failed to clone the animal.
Assuming that clones were actually successfully made and somehow released into the wild, yes, many Mammoths would die due to infectious diseases they have no immunity too. Would they all be guaranteed to die? No. The immune system of most mammals is sophisticated enough to adapt to new bacteria and viruses. Some of the healthier mammoths would survive, and develop immunity to the bacteria and viruses as well.
Regardless, the more obvious solution is that in the case of an escaped mammoth, it's not as if it's going to be able to hide undetected like a Fly might, it would be extremely conspicuous and could easily just be shot from a helicopter.
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Sorry, my main point is scientists are not planning on resurrecting an entire species of mammoths. The OP and many other posters seemed to assume that we were just going to breed a ton of mammoths and throw them out into the wild which is not the case. I was just giving an example as to why it wouldn't work out great even if someone wanted to. The scientists have one goal and that is to breed one mammoth.
Because of the dangers of the outside world I am guessing it will probably spend most of it's time in an extremely isolated area where it could be researched.
GetOutOfBox
Original Series Fan
Oh, ok, I agree then
.We are, and we have.
Animals don't get extinct for a reason, by random chance they are either over-hunted, killed by changes in their climate, or a natural disaster. There is no "Greater Reason" for why they would become extinct.
Yes, it would live in a zoo, just like other animals. There's no point in arguing that it's somehow less moral to keep an extinct animal in a zoo than it is to keep a non-endangered animal in a zoo.
Auraninja
Eh, ragazzo!
Well, at least someone is thinking realistically (or at least as far as this topic's concerned).
They can't repopulate an entire extinct species. Making one is hard enough. Environmental pressures would surely take its toll on a species that was resurrected.