Indragon said:No school or college in exchange for training Pokemon?
RaZoR LeAf said:Humans die of age or disease, along with every other kind of thing I've mentioned and the planet is still massively over populated. Add to the mix creatures that ONLY die of age or disease, but not of being hit and you're looking at a population melt-down.
RaZor LeAf said:Prone to explode without warning, capable of exuding numerous poisonous gases. Note the 'without warning' part. It's not planned, it's random and something they'd have no control over.
RaZoR LeAf said:A vulpix stopping to look both ways before crossing the road isn't exactly what comes to mind.
RaZoR LeAf said:Nobody with common sense would blow themselves up unless they thought there was something better on the other side. Suicide bombers are brainwashed into thinking that when they die they will be rewarded for it. Can pokemon not be given the same treatment?
R. New said:Milgram (1961), Sheridan & King (1972), the Stanford prison experiment (Zimbardo (1971)). Look them up if you want. They demonstrate that humans are inherently capable of being extremely unpleasant beasts.
Milgram (1961), Sheridan & King (1972), the Stanford prison experiment (Zimbardo (1971)). Look them up if you want. They demonstrate that humans are inherently capable of being extremely unpleasant beasts.
A lot of you are also failing to take into account the fact that criminals are very often arrogant; they don't think they'll be caught, otherwise why would they commit the crime? So maybe we would be able to bring them to justice, but people would still have the means and opportunity to commit crimes and would believe they can get away with them, and that stuff goes a long way (the Zimbardo experiment is particularly relevant here).
The difference is if two animals get into a fight then nothing much happens as they just use their claws/teeth. If two pokemon get into a fight then they've the potential to do much more damage with thunder bolts, ice beams and flame throwers.
Their body is made of liquid sludge. They move, they leave a trail of sludge. Ever seen a snail or slug leave a trail behind them? Same thing.
Pretty much a dex entry yes. Prone to explode without warning, capable of exuding numerous poisonous gases. Note the 'without warning' part. It's not planned, it's random and something they'd have no control over.
"What would the world be like if pokemon existed" and "What would the world be like if it was the same as the anime" are different questions.
One is based in reality the other is based on a fictional setting. If you want to use pokemon as they have been established then you have to accept that there will be powerful wild pokemon near to places, as that's inherently how it is in the anime and games.
You have to accept that there are powerful pokemon in every square bit of grass waiting to jump out and attack.
Humans die of age or disease, along with every other kind of thing I've mentioned and the planet is still massively over populated. Add to the mix creatures that ONLY die of age or disease, but not of being hit and you're looking at a population melt-down.
A vulpix stopping to look both ways before crossing the road isn't exactly what comes to mind.
If you have a pokemon.
If your pokemon is capable of battling and defeating it.
Nature Documenters manage to take photos and record footage without getting up close and personal.
What's rare when we're talking about the whole world? Red Squirrels are rare in the UK, you go to Northern Europe and Russia and they are abundant. What's rare to one location isn't rare to another. And anyway that IS what happens. Someone has a rare pokemon. "Oh look, that's a rare pokemon, I've only ever seen one on TV, look kids a Claydol you don't see those everyday.". Not "Oh look that's a rare pokemon, I've only ever seen one on TV, why would a normal person have one? I better call the police, because someone having a pokemon that isn't a generic uncommon pokemon is obviously a thief/criminal." If you see something you don't see everyday you will stop and stare, but not drop everything to investigate it.
Nobody with common sense would blow themselves up unless they thought there was something better on the other side. Suicide bombers are brainwashed into thinking that when they die they will be rewarded for it. Can pokemon not be given the same treatment?
Whilst cartoon dumbing down would play some part, I looked it up. 'The Underground Round Up'. Electrodes Explosion destroys a bridge. Tracey says a number of exploding Electrodes could take out an island. 'Pikachu Re-Volts', Togepi's explosion is enough to destroy Team Rocket's base. So it clearly is powerful enough to destroy buildings.
Why risk getting caught with a bomb when you can have a pokemon? Everyone else has pokemon with them, so you're not going to be suspected any more than anyone else.
Nope, I've now proved that it is powerful enough. Anime canon, therefore inherent.
Voided by inherent anime canon.
You HAVE said Team rocket can survive a thunderbolt, since them ALWAYS surviving being hit by attacks is an inherent part of pokemon.
So your point is now moot. You can't have it both ways. Either pokemon being real is EXACTLY the same as the anime in every aspect, or it is NOTHING like the anime. You can't pick and choose what is real and what is not.
Sorry to have to burst your bubble, but schools exist in Pokemon, and are likely mandatory. At least until you are ten. Possibly, when you reach ten you (and your parents) are presented with a choice: go into the world training Pokemon, or stay in school. But that choice thing is just me fan wanking. Take it with a grain of salt.
And why would two Pokemon get into a fight for absolutely no reason? You're once again assuming that Pokemon like to kill for fun. And even assuming they do get into a fight, why would they come down from their mountains/forests, get into the middle of town before attacking each other. Those attacks don't have a range of kilometers on end, contrary to what you appear to be thinking.
They may be made of liquid sludge, but their cells are cohesive enough for the sludge not to splash all around. If what you're saying is true, then all Grimer would gradually break into watery nothingness. If sludge could move, then it'd leave behind a wet patch and a bad smell, not a part of it. Besides, Grimer would just be doing this in sewers, a place that isn't even affected by this "pollution".
Also, the snail's trail is a secretion, not a part of its body.
Firstly, powerful wild Pokemon a few steps outside a city is only a part of the games. And that's because it's a game. They can't make maps that'll take 5 hours to get to the part with Pokemon in it. If you're going to go by the anime, then whatever powerful wild Pokemon Ash and the others have encountered have been in the wilderness and not right outside some town.
I'm going by the real world, where animals don't lurk in patches of grass outside your house and most wild ones are far away from places of human habitation.
And I assume you realise how ridiculous this sounds?
Yeah, that might be a problem, but wild Pokemon don't have an efficient healthcare and medical system.
Eh? If there's a Vulpix and it wants to get from point A to B, and there's a road in the middle, the Vulpix walks onto the road, hears/sees a car coming (if the car's close enough to hit it, then it really doesn't have to look all over to see it; if it's far enough, the Vulpix will have crossed the road before the car gets there), and either scampers across the road or back to point A and waits for the car to pass.
1. Made possible by giving a fishing license and allowing purchase of a fishing rod to only those with Pokemon/license.
2. Might *potentially* be a problem. Typically, Pokemon who get drawn up by rods are quite weak, especially since they'll be hooked onto the rod and you can pull them ashore. Additionally, your Pokemon might do just enough damage to scare it back into the water (assuming it can even get there, what with it's weakened state on land)
Possibly, but there are those who do/would like to get close up for their footage. Observation without human interference is limited after all, and researchers might not care about the interference part after a while. However, the initial point still stands that a Swampert wouldn't automatically attack any human it sees, whether it be standing next to it or at a distance.
Well, tell me how you'd brainwash a bunch of wild Pokemon you caught, who don't even care for you to start of with and don't give a damn for your motives and would get suspicious whenever one started acting strange around them?
Now you seem to be contradicting yourself about not taking the anime as a basis for any fact. Well, anyway, in the anime, virtually every attack causes a huge explosion, complete with fire, smoke and a mushroom cloud. Even attacks like Bubble end up setting fire to machines and buildings, causing a colossal explosion and sending the recipients of the attack skywards at an alarming velocity. So, Bubble and Explosion are both roughly equal in power, which obviously isn't the case. Additionally, if the same Explosion were to be used in an anime battle, then the attack would knock out both Pokemon; though by precedence, it should have killed anyone within range. Another reason why the contradictory nature of the attack in the anime can't be treated as fact.
If you look at the facts, the attack Explosion can't even dent a Pokemon like Onix or Steelix too much, it won't be doing much to buildings.
Swampert_trainer approves.Guys. There's more than just Pokemon vs. People that dosen't work.
Let's say that a Tyranitar gets mad at a Machamp or something, and the two fight. I can hardly say how that's good for anyone. Especially near a village of some sort, their fight will likely destroy all life around.
Also, the "Pokemon Trainer at early age" thing is highly impractible. Someone has to make the technology to do things and keep the Pokemon under some state of control, and if they spent their entire time in school instead fighting with their Pokemon, I doubt that would work.
Also, the "Friendly" pokemon argument dosen't work, as if I was a Swampert and a guy went up to my nest, I would defend myself and kill them. Seriously.
Don't put words into my mouth, I did not say pokemon would get into fights for no reason, nor that they would take said fight to the middle of a city, nor did I say they would get into fights for fun. Why do wild animals get into fights? Because they are natural rivals, because they feel threatened, because they have territories to defend, because they have families to defend, because they don't want to get eaten, because they have a love rival. Pick one. Fight in a forest. Flame Thrower. Forest Fire. Spreads quickly, suddenly you're looking at a massive wildfire spanning acres of land. It happens in a dry hot country and then you've got double the damage.
Sorry, I forgot you had a degree in pokemon physiology. I'm making assumptions on what I see and what I know, and how it would compare to our world and our environment. I'm not making stuff up because it sounds cool.
What the **** does that mean when it's at home?
The anime and the games are different entities. You have to decide which one you are going to reference.
You said, and I quote, "If Pokemon exist, then they'll exist the way it has been established to be". Pokemon has established that there are wild pokemon ready and willing to jump out at every opportunity.
Neither does China, still over populated.
Well know I know where roadkill has gone wrong, the animals in our world are clearly thick. No chance of one of them chasing prey and running into the road by chance? Or would the prey (say a tiny mammal like a rattata) stop and look to, or would it, fearing for it's life, also run into the road?
1. Again the assumption that everyone MUST want or have a pokemon.
2. Depends where you fish. If you're a Sea Fisher, then you're in the middle of the sea and there's going to be a lot more, dare I say it, stronger pokemon. Yes you'd likely take a stronger pokemon with you, but **** happens, you're expecting a Magikarp and you hook a Gyarados.
You've said pokemon will become attached to a person by reading their emotions. Do pokemon have the same morals and ethics as humans? I doubt to the same level.
While they may know that right is right and wrong is wrong, but if the person they are being raised by shows them love and affection and has strong feelings about certain things, then wouldn't the pokemon too?
if those feelings happened to be thigns that other people in the world didn't like, wouldn't that be the same? Say a pokemon is raised in an area that is particularly racist, or homophobic. I doubt pokemon would have concepts of racism or homophobia, or any other discrimination like we do. They would be raised by a loving family, who happened to hate black people. The pokemon wouldn't suddenly turn around and disown them because of their 'beliefs'.
So if a terrorist raised a pokemon with love and affection, wouldn't the pokemon become attuned to their way of thinking?
Swampert_trainer said:In theory, real Pokemon sounds like a nice idea, but let's face it, I think as a species, we have proven that if given a weapon, we will use it to try and destroy those who don't agree with our ideals and beliefs. It would be chaos if humans had access to powerful element controling monsters.
RaZoR_LeAf said:1. Again the assumption that everyone MUST want or have a pokemon.
Still has a better medical system than wilderness.
And lastly, it's unlikely a terrorists would have the capability to devote time and attention to Pokemon whom they consider expendable weapons. A false, temporary display of love wouldn't cut it with Pokemon thanks to their near-human intelligence, which would mean that they could see through the falsehood. Especially if, right from day 1, the trainer takes the Pokemon to a secluded area for constant training. That'd make the Pokemon doubt and somewhat dislike the trainer. And still wouldn't give a damn for their ideologies.