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[BCVM22]

http://www.serebiiforums.com/showthread.php?548936-Pokewalker-s-Future

 

[Nutter t.KK]

I can't merge it if this had any thing useful in it. Shutting.

 

[Crimson Penguin]

I don't play competitive regularly, and I've never actually had a person give me a hard time about using certain Pokemon, but I use Flareon whenever I can on my ingame team. What can I say, it's my favorite Pokemon, and nobody is going to stop me from using it. I've also had great fun with my Platinum monotype runs (so far I've done Normal, Fire, and Water). It gives me a chance to use Pokemon I or anyone else wouldn't normally use, like Lickilicky, Lopunny, Magmortar, Golduck, and Bibarel. Some of my most unlikely team members have ended up serving me very well during important battles.

 

[randomspot555]

I like Gen 5 but some of the designs like Vanilitte or Klank are just plain weird. I never actually imagined theyd make a PKMN with non-animated objects, nya~

Please explain to me how a rock is alive.

i dont mean to come across as a negative nancy but personally, i feel like pokemon is dragging on a bit (although i still like it and play it, it really does just feel "stale"), and personally there were not many pokemon that i liked from this generation, i think its just a lack of originality with many of them and a failure to make the bulk of them unique in some way, makes them not so interesting. i liked emboar, sawk, chandelure, conkeldurr, braviary, klinklang, eelektross, hydreigon, volcarona and thats about it from this generation.

It really sounds like you grew out of Pokemon more than anything else.

Since when does every Pokemon have to be mind blowingly, out of this world oriignal? Gen I features a dragon based Pokemon named DRAGONite. Mankey is pretty much a monkey with a pig snout slapped onto it. Mr. Mime is just a human mime in Pokemon form.

None of this makes them bad. I like them all. But they aren't exactly the bleeding edge of innovation.

 

[Kim62]

I guess you aren't aware of the many number of people who state their opinions as facts. There are certain ways to state your opinion clearly, and ways to state your opinion arrogantly. If someone states "*Enter thing here* sucks so much", that's an arrogant opinion, if someone says "I don't like *Enter thing here*, it doesn't really appeal to me because *enter personal reasons here*" that's stating an opinion clearly enough for people to know you don't believe your opinion is a fact, as opinions aren't facts.

If I came off as arrogant I'm sorry but when nearly everybody in this thread is saying the reason I don't like the new games is because I'm just being Nostalgic or because I'm restiant to change, I get a little bit defensive.
In any case, I write my opinion as fact because that is how I learned to write thesis statements. Write a claim as though it was true then write why that is then later elaborate. None of you have even asked me to elaborate what I meant by what I said. It's just more assumptions that I haven't thought out my reasons or maybe you don't care and you just like to attack anybody who has a different opinion. I don't know but it's just frustrating.

As I said, there was never a goal to be a Pokemon Master, that's Ash's dream. The main goal is essentially beating the Champion, however, there has always been the same format for all generations, so it's not being pushed, it's the same thing it's always been. I suppose Black and White changed it a little, as you didn't battle Alder until post story, but that was simply a slight change to have the villain group to have more impact on the story, and gave you more of an option to defeat the Champion or not for post story.

In every game the Champion is brought up, beating the Gyms, defeating the Elite Four, going to the very top to beat the Champion, that's always the goal that's brought up at some point, always.

I thought it was obvious what I meant by master but I'll spell it out anyways. Getting the badges, being the elite four + champion and complete the Pokedex. In any case, most of what you do though out the newest games has nothing to do with that goal so much. You may go up a tower to go find a gym leader but you don't really need to do anything to get her to come down like with Jasmine. You may go through a mountain to go fight somebody but that has nothing to do with getting to the next gym leader or even serve as some sort of accomplishment. It just makes the plot seem not very important when you're character keeps getting side track.

As I said, you not liking the mini games means nothing really. Also, what's your point about Dream World "being a means of getting the balance the freaking metagame"? I was listing the new stuff that was brought, that's new.

Yeah and it sucks. I was trying to explain why the few new stuff they added sucks (oh by the way, that's my opinion) because I figured that your next question would be why.

Again, you not liking it means nothing.

Contrariwise, you liking it means something, apparently. Whoa, suddenly I got deja vu.

Both goals aren't lame, considering people like to collect Shiny Pokemon. People also like to collect as many Pokemon as they can without trading. So again, your personal dislike of these things means nothing.

Okay, people like to collect shinies and collect Pokemon without training. Does that really warrant this device? Is it fun and engaging enough, could there be a better way of accomplishing the same goals, is this really something that should be in the games? These are the questions I ask.

Again, you not liking them means nothing.

Contrariwise, you liking it means something, apparently. Whoa, suddenly I got deja vu.

Plenty of people like the improvements, plenty of people don't see them as "pointless" or "bad". You should have gone over them all, then again maybe you shouldn't as I suppose it'll just be the same thing you've been doing, stating your personal dislike for something as a fact when it's just personal dislike.

I would go over every complaint I have but you would probably just complain about how many complaints I have rather then actually question why I have them in the first place.

Do you know how many speeches you have to read? None. Do you know how many times you can just press A or B to move the speeches along? However many times you want. Do you know how many people would enjoy reading the actual dialogue? Probably a lot, as it builds up to the story. If you don't want any story to your game then whatever, you don't have to read anything, but there's no reason to "tone down" the amount of dialogue, is everyone suppose to just not speak? That's certainly going to be a really exciting story...

I enjoy reading dialogue. When it isn't preachy, when it's short, when it doesn't seem like an attempt to be "deep", when I don't feel like pressing the a or b button to move on because I'm actual invested in what the person is saying. But hey, maybe I'm just not into that stuff and somebody is. But even then you must admit it's kind of weird for all these characters to be talking so much when you yourself is often silent.

As I said earlier, in one of the many recent "moan and whine about new Pokemon" threads, it was stated several times over.

So your complaining about the actions of people from some other thread here because?...

"The metagame" is a fan made invention that doesn't impact the in-game journey one iota. Considering that the "metagame", and by that I'm discounting the official tournaments, largely takes place on battle simulators, it is ridiculous to think that what happens largely on battle simulators and a handful of battling-specific websites affects how the Japanese game makers make their game.

Natures aren't fan-made. Ivs and Evs aren't fan made. The intricate workings of moves and held items aren't fan-made. The entire system in which the metagame is based upon is created by Game Freak. Now, I don't think the stuff they put in what suppose to be used as the kind of science but they did intend for people to use the system. And through the generations they made most of their improvements based on supplementing the metagame which wouldn't be so bad if it didn't interfere with the rpg elements of the game.

"Fighting the mascot Pokemon" has been happening since Gen I, depending on which starter you chose. When you played Red, did it "ruin" the game if you chose Bulbasaur and ended up fighting against Blue's Charizard?

Listen it's not the fact you have to face the mascot it's the fact it's made out as such a big part of the game. The mascots are never the most powerful Pokemon in the game, a trainer is most likely a bigger threat as they can match the number of Pokemon you have, and there is something that just seems wrong about having to prove yourself to the Pokemon league when you just saved the world from destruction. They tried to fix this is B/W but I think Ghetsis kind of ruined it by coming in during the last second, but hey, that's just my opinion.

"Mini games" completely optional. Feel free to ignore them. Many of them are restricted to local wireless anyway, which is something that works in density heavy populations like much of Japan and not so much in the more spread out populations of Europe and the US. Also have been around since Gen I in the form of the casinos.

I guess I could ignore them, but then I have to ask the question of who does play these games, and why are there mini games I can play for free on the internet on a game I spent good hard money on? And yes, gen 1 had a mini game. Okay, technically Yellow had two but I think the point I'm getting at is that the first gen knew how to limit it's mini games to a few. Platinum had like what seven (not sure if that's the exact numbers, some things in the game boarder on being a mini game and a side quest)?

"Busy work activities"-...again, don't do them.

If I wanted to spend forty or more dollars on tedious work then, well I wouldn't do that but if I had to I could do it for free.

Like?

As I mentioned earlier, there was that time I had to go up a tower to get a gym leader to come down, which the tower alone could have been a good side quest but no I had to go up there to get Skyla cause she could come back on her own. Or that time I had to go up that other tower with N in it, that was really necessary. I'm sorry, I guess these aren't really side quests, more of pointless parts involved within the main quest but I really don't see why they weren't side quests.

Just because you don't like it doesn't mean no one does. I've never been into Contests or Pokethlon. Instead of complaining that they get included, I go do one of the several activities in Pokemon I do enjoy.

Some people like to getting holes drilled in their head too that doesn't mean it's a good thing.

No, most Pokemon gamers are picking up the games for the first time. The "returning" fans are just a cherry on top that just so happen to be more vocal online since online demographics skew heavily to teenagers and 20 somethings. The reason old Pokemon get updates is because that is what they've been doing since Gen II. Considering that the vast majority of the Pokemon fandom doesn't even know what an "IV" is and that the in-game hints of the complex formulas that are behind Pokemon are just that, it is clear Pokemon's games aren't affected by the "metagame" one bit.

Well, I don't know about what the ratio of old to new Pokemon players there are actually are so I can't speak to that. I get that the game would update the battle system every time but it's not just updated but convoluted, which is what game companies do when trying to get people to buy there new stuff. Also, you don't need to know what IVs are to be into the metagame but it helps.

So from the sound of it, the only thing you've ever liked about Pokemon is the 8 gyms E4 Champion journey. If that is all you like, then stop playing after that's over! Not every game is going to enthrall you forever.

Actually, what I liked was the ability to travel in a fantasy setting while obtaining and raising creatures among other things. However, the games have changed in style, they try to be something Pokemon never was and it doesn't feel right when they try to go this way. It's hard to explain. I understand everything has to change but on the other hand why call it Pokemon if the reasons for why Pokemon was unique are gone.

 

[Mighty Arceus493]

... Am I the only one who gets more excited about seeing a new generation of Pokemon? I like every gen, and I don't hate any of them.

 

[ShallowHole]

Help.

Need some opinions on what i should make a team of.

 

[BritishLanguage]

Make a team of Ekans. Problem solved.

 

[ShallowHole]

Just started 2 hours ago and I chose tepig wondering if anyone has an opinion for a good team to make.

 

[Shigs]

My entire team which is: Primeape, Charizard, Feraligator, Absol, Roserade, and Nidoking.

Feraligatr, Nidoking, Charizard and Roserade apparently all have some presence in OU this gen. But your team looks like mine in the sense it's a mix of higher and lower tiers. It's about what Pokemon appeal to you, which is what is most important Especially if we want more than just a few teams to exist.

 

[Schade]

my friends don't like it when I use my Lugia.

 

[Watchog]

The last thing i'd ask for, is what team should i make.
You know what, you shouldn't make a team you don't like.
Don't make a team cause of how powerful or "OU" overused they are.
Just use the pokemon you like and that's it, doesn't matter if its a magikarp.
Come up with something original!
-HAVE FUN-

 

[Primetime518]

my friends don't like it when I use my Lugia.

I wonder why, i always get smack for using miltank, but i love it so much ;_;

 

[Dragalge]

... Am I the only one who gets more excited about seeing a new generation of Pokemon? I like every gen, and I don't hate any of them.

Nope, I just love seeing brand new pokemon to try out.

 

[RaZoR LeAf]

Catch the first five pokemon you encounter. Instant team.

Catch six pokemon you like. Instant team.

YOU are the one playing the game, it's YOUR team, YOU decide what to put on it.

 

[Nutter t.KK]

Last year I did a run with Lucario, Luvdisc and Unown, who just happened to be in my siganture/avatar at the time.

Generally it's whoever you like the look of, or you can find is viable for in game party.

Most people can offer improvements.

Anyway, This shouldn't be here, and the lack of a team prevents me moving it to the right RMT forum. Shutting

 

[gliscor&yanmega]

If I came off as arrogant I'm sorry but when nearly everybody in this thread is saying the reason I don't like the new games is because I'm just being Nostalgic or because I'm restiant to change, I get a little bit defensive.
In any case, I write my opinion as fact because that is how I learned to write thesis statements. Write a claim as though it was true then write why that is then later elaborate. None of you have even asked me to elaborate what I meant by what I said. It's just more assumptions that I haven't thought out my reasons or maybe you don't care and you just like to attack anybody who has a different opinion. I don't know but it's just frustrating.

No, I simply take anything that is stated as a fact as a fact. I'm going by what things are written as, I wont assume someone's opinion that's stated as a fact was meant to be an actual opinion.

If someone were to say "I don't like *enter thing here*, it just doesn't appeal to me", then I would have no issue with that as that's clear enough as an opinion and I have no problem with people having different opinions. But if someone says "*Enter thing here* sucks, they were stupid to make it, it's ruined everything", then yah, I'm going to have a problem with that, it's not hard to state your opinion in a respectful manner, bashing on the things you don't like because you don't like them is ridiculous, your hate for something doesn't make it true.

I thought it was obvious what I meant by master but I'll spell it out anyways. Getting the badges, being the elite four + champion and complete the Pokedex. In any case, most of what you do though out the newest games has nothing to do with that goal so much. You may go up a tower to go find a gym leader but you don't really need to do anything to get her to come down like with Jasmine. You may go through a mountain to go fight somebody but that has nothing to do with getting to the next gym leader or even serve as some sort of accomplishment. It just makes the plot seem not very important when you're character keeps getting side track.

Well something that was never part of the game isn't going to be obvious. A Pokemon Master is Anime only, Ash's dream, which was never explained of what it actually is.

Every game has you dealing with the Gyms, Elite Four, and Champion. The Pokedex has always been optional as well, never the main focus of the games.

Gym Leaders have usually been just stuck in their Gym, waiting for you to battle them, at less with Black and White they got out more, and did more things.

There is only ever one side track goal in the game, and that's the villains, every other thing is optional so you can't get side track over it, as you don't even have to do anything with it. And again, all games have the villain side track, aside from that, you continue on battling the Gyms and that.

Yeah and it sucks. I was trying to explain why the few new stuff they added sucks (oh by the way, that's my opinion) because I figured that your next question would be why.

You not liking it means nothing. Just because you think it sucks doesn't mean it sucks. It sucking or not isn't much of opinion based, it's more arrogance then anything, if you don't like something simply say "I don't like it, it just doesn't appeal to me" because that's how it is, the features don't suck.

Contrariwise, you liking it means something, apparently. Whoa, suddenly I got deja vu.

Nope, never said that. Just like with people who hate on the stuff means nothing, the people who like it means nothing as well. Everything is for personal perception, one person hating something isn't going to determine if something is good or bad, one person liking something isn't going to determine if something is good or bad, no amount of people will determine if something is good or bad, nothing is good or bad, it's all personal perception and whatnot. However, franchise obviously want the things that most people like to be kept, and everything in Pokemon has been liked enough to keep.

Okay, people like to collect shinies and collect Pokemon without training. Does that really warrant this device? Is it fun and engaging enough, could there be a better way of accomplishing the same goals, is this really something that should be in the games? These are the questions I ask.

I do believe people enjoyed the Pokerader, it doesn't really matter if there is a "better" way to accomplish a goal, not everyone wants to get the easier way to complete something, collecting all the Pokemon isn't meant to be easy, there is a lot of work in it. The work on getting on the Pokemon, doing all sorts of difficult tasks to get them in the end is the reward. It would be pointless to just have all 649 Pokemon fall right in your lap, that's not going to be very much of an accomplishment.

Contrariwise, you liking it means something, apparently. Whoa, suddenly I got deja vu.

Nope, never said that. Just like with people who hate on the stuff means nothing, the people who like it means nothing as well. Everything is for personal perception, one person hating something isn't going to determine if something is good or bad, one person liking something isn't going to determine if something is good or bad, no amount of people will determine if something is good or bad, nothing is good or bad, it's all personal perception and whatnot. However, franchise obviously want the things that most people like to be kept, and everything in Pokemon has been liked enough to keep.

I would go over every complaint I have but you would probably just complain about how many complaints I have rather then actually question why I have them in the first place.

No, I'd probably just say "You not liking it means nothing", which is the case. I don't see why you don't seem to realize there are people who like this stuff, plenty of people, obviously there are people who don't like it, but that doesn't matter, there simply can't be something that every single person will like, they go for getting as many people to like a feature as they can, and that seems to work out fine for the most part.

I enjoy reading dialogue. When it isn't preachy, when it's short, when it doesn't seem like an attempt to be "deep", when I don't feel like pressing the a or b button to move on because I'm actual invested in what the person is saying. But hey, maybe I'm just not into that stuff and somebody is. But even then you must admit it's kind of weird for all these characters to be talking so much when you yourself is often silent.

We our silent because we are meant to be our own voice, we are meant to make our character be however we like, our character isn't actually silent, they simply did it that way so we could speak for them, making a story out of it.

As for the dialogue, it's not even that much, it's a few lines, making things more realistic, having the story more drawn out, people like that stuff, and I'm pretty sure this is how it's always been, I tend to skip the dialogue of all games(Not just Pokemon) for the most part regardless, but it seems like this is how it always is, characters talk, so the story can advance.



Seriously, this is going nowhere, and will go nowhere. In the end, you just don't like how the games our anymore, it's not because the games "suck" or whatever, it's because you simply aren't appealed by them anymore, you might as well stop playing and move onto something that suits your interests more. No matter what you say, the games are still enjoyed by a lot of people, a lot of people still enjoy doing what the games have them do, and that's what matters, they wont change things to fit one person's dislike of something, or two, or three, or however many, so long as there are a large amount of people who are enjoying the games then that's all that matters to them and that's who they'll focus on.

... Am I the only one who gets more excited about seeing a new generation of Pokemon? I like every gen, and I don't hate any of them.

I'm sure a lot of people are like this, I am.

While there are people who seem to just hate all things new, there are those who love all things new as...it's new.

For me, I've enjoyed Pokemon from the start, it hasn't changed drastically enough for me to see it as something completely new, so there's no reason for me to hate on any generation...which kind of sucks because now I'm trapped in this franchise that wont ever die...my poor poor moneys D: I suppose it's worth it though :3.

 

[Tonguetyd]

because after emerald, the creators of pokemon stopped trying and created an ice cream cone and a lamp as pokemon.

Your username is pretty good for you,I must say.Of course they haven't stopped trying!Generations 4 and 5 introduced much more stuff than gen1,2 or 3!Just because 10-15 pokemon suck doesn't mean they "stopped trying"!

 

[Amphy22]

Project: Ultimate caterpie!too overboard?

hiya guys thought i might share with u a cool story!

My friend and i got an action replay, and we got some cheats for pokemon black. i loved caterpie at the time but thought it wasnt strong. So we did a 'teach any pokemon any TM' cheat. And a 'infinite rare candies cheat. we raised a caterpie to level 100 and gave it an oran berry. We taught it a moveset of- Flame thrower, Thunderbolt, Surf, and hyperbeam.then cloned it 13 times... so yeah did we go overboard with it? i think not but i need ur opinions! thnx! ;181;!

 

[Jonah the Slaking]

hiya guys thought i might share with u a cool story!

My friend and i got an action replay, and we got some cheats for pokemon black. i loved caterpie at the time but thought it wasnt strong. So we did a 'teach any pokemon any TM' cheat. And a 'infinite rare candies cheat. we raised a caterpie to level 100 and gave it an oran berry. We taught it a moveset of- Flame thrower, Thunderbolt, Surf, and hyperbeam.then cloned it 13 times... so yeah did we go overboard with it? i think not but i need ur opinions! thnx! ;181;!

It would've been better with Earthquake, Dragon Claw, Swords Dance and Flame Charge, I feel. Maybe that's just me, though.