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Do you play with Nuzlocke rules?

  • Yes!

    Votes: 14 27.5%
  • No...

    Votes: 30 58.8%
  • What the hell is Nuzlocke?

    Votes: 7 13.7%

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blaze boy

Aka SamuraiDon
some pokemons can be pure-Flying type before gen V, like Pidgeot or Staraptor.
but despite this, all of them are paired with Normal type.
can anyone explain why that's the case????

also, what makes Tornadus be a pure-Flying type Pokemon unlike those above???

Because Flying type was originally was going to be Bird type.
 

cape

[insert title here]
Flying-type Arceus was sad when he saw this thread.

hey, it cheats!!!
it can transform from one type to another so it doesn't count :<
 

Indigoodra

Well-Known Member
hey, it cheats!!!
it can transform from one type to another so it doesn't count :<

But at some point or another, it's still pure-flying type. It isn't really cheating if the programmers... programmed it that way :p

And to answer your questoin, I'm just gonna say that it's never a good idea to ask questions about how the game is run; you'll never get really concrete answers :x
 

Hejiru

Rev up those fryers
But at some point or another, it's still pure-flying type. It isn't really cheating if the programmers... programmed it that way :p

And to answer your questoin, I'm just gonna say that it's never a good idea to ask questions about how the game is run; you'll never get really concrete answers :x

Uhh... yeah, you will. People know exactly how that game computes things. It's not a magical mystery.

Why would you class these guys with these guys

Invalid argument. You could say the same for any type. Would you class these guys with these guys?

Because they are just normal birds, like the ones you see irl.
Staraptor was Normal/Flying because of roost causing pure flying types to turn into the ??? type.

These are the two most common arguments against pure Flying-types I see, and they're both BS.

1) The "regular bird" argument makes no sense. It's a double standard. Goldeen is just a regular fish, why isn't it Normal/Water? Caterpie is just a regular bug, why isn't it Normal/Bug?

2) The Roost argument fails to realize that they were making birds Normal/Flying long before Roost was invented. So that's not the reason.
 

blaze boy

Aka SamuraiDon
hey, it cheats!!!
it can transform from one type to another so it doesn't count :<

No it doesn't, flying-type Arceus does count as a pure flying.
 

Cyber Robert

Shockingly Lovely
Disclaimer: the following argument may be as it uses my form of logic.

IIRC, Tornadus was the first pokemon to focus on solely wind itself rather than wings and whatever the **** Gyarados was. So perhaps that's why Tornadus was the first Pure-Flying Pokemon in its default form.

1) The "regular bird" argument makes no sense. It's a double standard. Goldeen is just a regular fish, why isn't it Normal/Water?

It's a gold fish and therefore should be Steel/Water. :p
 

metagrody6

COMO UN JEFE
The "regular bird" argument makes no sense. It's a double standard. Goldeen is just a regular fish, why isn't it Normal/Water? Caterpie is just a regular bug, why isn't it Normal/Bug?
Because there are like a billion different types of irl bugs and sea creatures. There's enough diversity that they don't need to do the normal/[type] thing. How many irl animals can you think of that can fly and aren't birds? Not too many. Normal/Flying = Bird or Bird-like, Plain Flying = Everything else.
 

Honeyichigo

The manliest
It seems to be a list of Pokemon by the number of weaknesses they have. I guess it could be useful. Not sure what he meant about the images.

Just a question: Are you counting double (x4) weaknesses the same as single (x2) weaknesses? It seems like it would be useful to include how many of each a Pokemon has, even if the overall list is sorted by total.
 

RaZoR LeAf

Night Terror
Guys, please stop picking up on typos in the topic starters post. It's not clever, it's spam.

Tornadus is the psychical embodiment of the wind, everything else is something uses the wind to perform it's actions.


Because there are like a billion different types of irl bugs and sea creatures. There's enough diversity that they don't need to do the normal/[type] thing. How many irl animals can you think of that can fly and aren't birds? Not too many. Normal/Flying = Bird or Bird-like, Plain Flying = Everything else.

Anything that's classed as an insect? Yes bug type, I know.
 
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Honeyichigo

The manliest
These are the two most common arguments against pure Flying-types I see, and they're both BS.

1) The "regular bird" argument makes no sense. It's a double standard. Goldeen is just a regular fish, why isn't it Normal/Water? Caterpie is just a regular bug, why isn't it Normal/Bug?

2) The Roost argument fails to realize that they were making birds Normal/Flying long before Roost was invented. So that's not the reason.

This right here, man. There's really no reason for those normal/flying types to not be pure flying.

While we're at it, "it was originally supposed to be the Bird type" doesn't answer it- why wouldn't the "Bird" type be used singly instead of paired every time? And if you mean they were originally bird/flying types and the bird type got switched out for normal, well, that doesn't answer it either- they could just have been changed to pure flying. Even if they weren't the birds in later generations who were made without the bird type in mind could have been pure flying.

So basically there is no reason whatsoever that there can be no mundane pure flying types, aside from Gamefreak being weird.

Because there are like a billion different types of irl bugs and sea creatures. There's enough diversity that they don't need to do the normal/[type] thing. How many irl animals can you think of that can fly and aren't birds? Not too many. Normal/Flying = Bird or Bird-like, Plain Flying = Everything else.

Um, no, there's plenty of varieties of birds out there, and Pokemon already has quite a few birds who aren't normal/flying. And even if birds were completely devoid of variety both in the game and in real life, why does that consign them to always having a secondary type? The two have nothing to do with each other.

If anything, the diversity of bugs, sea creatures, etc means they should be more prone to getting a second type, so we don't end up with a buttload of pure bug/water/etc types.
 
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Jonah the Slaking

Couch-bound Warrior
If you had a Pokemon to run a business with

If you could have a Pokemon as a business colleague, what would it be, and in what business? And don't just say "Hurr *insert humanoid Psychic*", try to be creative. Also, no Legendaries.

I would have Rotom-H and run a restaurant so he could cook my food.
 

Hejiru

Rev up those fryers
Disclaimer: the following argument may be as it uses my form of logic.

IIRC, Tornadus was the first pokemon to focus on solely wind itself rather than wings and whatever the **** Gyarados was. So perhaps that's why Tornadus was the first Pure-Flying Pokemon in its default form.

Not necessarily. Skymin, Rotom Fan, and the Hoppip family were wind-focused instead of bird/wing-focused. You could also argue that Gligar, Gliscor and Emolga were wind-focused since they glide on the wind instead of actually flying, but that might be stretching it a bit.

Because there are like a billion different types of irl bugs and sea creatures. There's enough diversity that they don't need to do the normal/[type] thing. How many irl animals can you think of that can fly and aren't birds? Not too many. Normal/Flying = Bird or Bird-like, Plain Flying = Everything else.

There's like a billion types of birds, too.

Fun fact: 46% of Flying-types are birds, but only 36% of birds are Normal/Flying.
(The above is counting Rotom, Shaymin, and Arcues as Flying-types, and assuming Sigilyph and Lugia are birds.)
 
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