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Cloudy Fate, Bright Future! (895)

AuraChannelerChris

(he is judging what weird thing you just said)
...Wait. Did she see the past too?

Because she was haiving visions of importaant future events and obviously the XYZ plot is what takes precendent so that's why Frogadier got the visions, because he will play a key role in the future

That just heavily implies the others are just expendable cannon fodder material...

So, Olympia's role is technically that of a hype machine we've seen countless of times in previews anyway. Future sight didn't translate that well into this episode all due to knowing things that are already expected to come.

And to remind Sycamore about "PLEASE STOP THINKING ALAIN IS DOING WELL."
 
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dman_dustin

Well-Known Member
Based on Olympia's abilities, it is very clear why they waited until now to tell us Froakie's backstory.

1. No way to convey this in any other way, except forcing the past trainers to show up at once.

2. The past is relative to Froakie's meeting with Ash, and Frogadier's bond with Ash.

3. It's related to Frogadier evolving into Greninja and then further changing into Ash Greninja, so this type of storyline wouldn't have been possible back then, because Ash Greninja couldn't have been foreshadowed.

4. Further more Ash Greninja could only be foreshadowed by someone like Olympia.

5. Even if there could've been another that could've done this, don't you think it would make more sense for it to be Olympia the PSYCHIC gym leader to not only give her more focus and importance but to showcase her as a formidable foe?
 
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Lorde

Let's go to the beach, each.
Sigh, this episode was such a letdown to me. Frogadier vs. Sableye was too short, TR's scheme was basic, and Frogadier's past was ho-hum imho. Thank God for Malva's cameo though.
 

K.N.

Well-Known Member
Frogadier getting backstory was a surprise to me (I generally don't keep up with previews and such), but a lot of it wasn't information you couldn't just infer from what was given to us before. Still nice to see it though. The episode as a whole is a pretty transparent hype machine for XYZ, but I don't mind that.

Looking forward to seeing how Ash handles Future Sight.
 

JudySpell

Banned
Olympia seeing Greninja's Satoshi forme in the future was awesome, so was seeing Froakie's past struggles. What a cool episode.
 
As everyone said Olympia really is creepy but she has a cool character.Wow is she goddess?possessing awesome power which weren't even mentioned in the games.

It was nice that we saw Frogadier's past but I wish it was longer.
 

WaterShuriken

"I..I..Iron Tail, Pikachu."
The visuals in this episode did not disappoint. Loved seeing Frgadier's backstory. I will reserve my full judgment until [PM].
 
I found this episode very enjoyable, the way the plot was introduced was interesting, I'm glad that the battle was short since the result was obvious and it wasn't exactly an important event, also, that's a very low-level trainer.

Olympia is kinda creepy, is she trying to pull-off a Sabrina or something? Her vision of Frogadier being such a particular pokemon and Ash being the chosen one for him only makes his possible loss at the Kalos League more painful ... Ugh.

I'm worried about Water Pulse being replaced by Water Shuriken or pretty much anything, I love how that move looks in the anime.
 

AuraKshatriya

Well-Known Member
For those who might be interested, here're some translations or explanations of things that were said during the episode:

-Serena says she just needs one more Princess Key for Master Class (Eureka finds it "incredibly pretty"), and that she'll rely on Eevee next time. Satoshi says he can't slack when she's getting ahead. Citron reiterates Tierno mentioning its a Psychic Gym (which Citron said, actually >_<), but Satoshi says he'll handle whatever comes his way.

-Malva's broadcast discusses how Prof. Sycamore's examination will have big implications for Mega Evolution, etc. Also awesome foreshadowing for Act IV is awesome.

-Team Rocket's main concern at the beginning was how they'd be able to lift the sundial due to its massive size. Kojiro also hilariously spoofs Prof. Oak to showcase what he'd be like as an expert (since Sycamore is already one).

-The girl who attacked Satoshi and co. (Carrie), as well as the other person who arrived along with Gojika (Cheryl) are Gojika's higher-level students. They were assisting in teaching the other people at the beginning how to "connect their hearts to their Pokemon" by "being the stars themselves". (Likely a reference to the notion of Astrology allowing people to predict the future.)

-Gojika's vision at the start (during which she says, "I can see...the light!") is said to have implications for all of Kalos, as well as particular significance to Hyakokku City. She points out Satoshi and co. (with Satoshi being pictured) as being involved, and cites Prof. Sycamore as being the "path" to the events which transpire. Carrie jumps the gun and attacks Prof. Sycamore, followed by Satoshi to try and defend "all of Kalos". (When she sees Satoshi after he arrives to help Sycamore, she realizes the vision was definitely true and hastens are attack).

-Gojika chastises Carrie for her hasty actions and apologizes on her behalf, and Cheryl encourages her to apologize as well.

-Sycamore: "You're Gojika-san...right?" Gojika: "Indeed." Gojika speaks with a very dignified air. She also refers to herself as "waga" and "wara" to that end. Also refers to Satoshi's Gekogashira as, "sona ta no Gekogashira."

-Just as their speaking, Gojika gets a vision of Gekogashira's evolution (and a glowing red light around its head. We all know what this is alluding to, but this is still incredibly exciting. WHY DID THEY HAVE TO SPOIL IT WITH THAT HYPE POSTER?) ("What is it? What did you see, Gojika-sama? -Your future." .@Gekogashira.) She says they'll discuss the rest at the Gym (that starry area from the start).

-At the Gym, Eureka asks if she should ask Gojika who to keep for Citron. Probably a bad idea...

-Cheryl explains how Gojika can also predict disaster, and Sycamore inquires about whether she knew about the Hoenn Disaster. She predicted that too.

-Satoshi: "A Gym Leader that can see the future, huh?"

-Gojika says Satoshi's Pokemon is "different from other Pokemon." Says that in order to understand its future, they must first see its past.

-Satoshi asks if Sycamore knew the whole story of Keromatsu's birth, but he was unaware since it was outside his observations.

-Most of the Keromatsu were carefree and jovial. Keromatsu instinctively preferred training, so they ostracized him due to his unusual tendencies. So he grew distant from his fellow Pokemon.

-When he met his trainers, their notions of strength and its pursuit were incompatible with his. Their feelings were insufficient.

-15:52 Just wanted to say this OST is amazing.

-It's revealed that ultimately Keromatsu was looking for something even more important than strength: "love". Then the vision shows when he met Satoshi.

-Satoshi says he also wants to strive to be stronger, and says he and Gekogashira will strive for it together through the League and becoming a Pokemon Master.

-Sycamore asks about Gekogashira's future. She says it will achieve "another power", and Satoshi asks if she's talking about Gekkouga. She says that's there of course, but that its future is one beyond that future, and that both Satoshi and Gekougashira will achieve it. Sycamore asks if she's talking about Mega Evolution, and Satoshi gets excited. Sycamore dials things back a bit, though, saying that at this point even he doesn't know if Gekkouga can Mega Evolve. Satoshi immediately challenges her to a battle. She agrees and asks for his name.
(This is curious... would they openly question whether Gekkouga can Mega Evolve in the anime, specifically Satoshi's, and then introduce a different form change that's anime-exclusive? If it were anime-exclusive, it's likely Gekkouga could still get a Mega Evolution in the games. This may suggest there's no Mega Evolution in-game though, since Game Freak is really specific about not allowing the anime to spoil unannounced plans or characters, which could have otherwise pushed the writers to avoid talking about Ash-Gekkouga relative to Mega Evolution at all.)

-When Gojika sees that the sundial is in danger, she has the male Meowstic use Helping Hand, and has the female project a Future Sight. Citron explains Future Sight upon Serena's inquiry. Future Sight's mechanism in the anime is totally revamped (and awesome). A timer starts, and when time runs out, the attack will strike its target without fail (evidently regardless of location as well). Since Gojika can see the future, she can technically direct the Future Sight to the location of her visions. It's a move that effectively cannot be stopped, because it guarantees a certain future.
(The integration of Gojika's psychic abilities and character with her battle style is awesome. Ironically the Gym Leader with the least development in-game is getting some of the best in the anime. Good on the writers for using her character as such an effective plot device, and setting her up as the very personification of unstoppable limits on the future that Satoshi must overcome.)

-Satoshi asks if the attack on TR is Future Sight, Citron confirms that it's the same move Gojika set up beforehand. (She didn't even move!)

-Sycamore says Gojika's abilities to see the future are formidable, and Citron concurs that if one already knows the future, nothing can be done about it. Serena, in awe, asks, "Satoshi will have to fight this person?"

Overall, I'm incredibly pleased with this episode. Also deciding NOT to watch the preview so I can thoroughly enjoy next week's the potential evolution it may entail (whether it happens or not, I haven't seen it. My expectations aren't specific enough to be "betrayed". Haven't been hyped for a Gym Battle like this all season.)
 
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jrizza88

Meteorite
for those who might be interested, here're some translations or explanations of things that were said during the episode:

-serena says she just needs one more princess key for master class (eureka finds it "incredibly pretty"), and that she'll rely on eevee next time. Satoshi says he can't slack when she's getting ahead. Citron reiterates tierno mentioning its a psychic gym (which citron said, actually >_<), but satoshi says he'll handle whatever comes his way.

-malva's broadcast discusses how prof. Sycamore's examination will have big implications for mega evolution, etc. Also awesome foreshadowing for act iv is awesome.

-team rocket's main concern at the beginning was how they'd be able to lift the sundial due to its massive size. Kojiro also hilariously spoofs prof. Oak to showcase what he'd be like as an expert (since sycamore is already one).

-the girl who attacked satoshi and co. (carrie), as well as the other person who arrived along with gojika (cheryl) are gojika's higher-level students. They were assisting in teaching the other people at the beginning how to "connect their hearts to their pokemon" by "being the stars themselves". (likely a reference to the notion of astrology allowing people to predict the future.)

-gojika's vision at the start (during which she says, "i can see...the light!") is said to have implications for all of kalos, as well as particular significance to hyakokku city. She points out satoshi and co. (with satoshi being pictured) as being involved, and cites prof. Sycamore as being the "path" to the events which transpire. Carrie jumps the gun and attacks prof. Sycamore, followed by satoshi to try and defend "all of kalos". (when she sees satoshi after he arrives to help sycamore, she realizes the vision was definitely true and hastens are attack).

-gojika chastises carrie for her hasty actions and apologizes on her behalf, and carrie encourages her to apologize as well.

-sycamore: "you're gojika-san...right?" gojika: "indeed." gojika speaks with a very dignified air. She also refers to herself as "waga" and "wara" to that end. Also refers to satoshi's gekogashira as, "sona ta no gekogashira."

-just as their speaking, gojika gets a vision of gekogashira's evolution (and a glowing red light around its head. We all know what this is alluding to, but this is still incredibly exciting. Why did they have to spoil it with that hype poster). ("what is it? What did you see, gojika-sama? -your future." .@gekogashira.) she says they'll discuss the rest at the gym (that starry area from the start).

-at the gym, eureka asks if she should ask to keep gojika for citron. Probably a bad idea...

-cheryl explains how gojika can also predict disaster, and sycamore inquires about whether she knew about the hoenn disaster. She predicted that too.

-satoshi: "a gym leader that can see the future, huh?"

-gojika says satoshi's pokemon is "different from other pokemon." says that in order to understand its future, they must first see its past.

-satoshi asks if sycamore knew the whole story of keromatsu's birth, but he was unaware since it was outside his observations.

-most of the keromatsu were carefree and jovial. Keromatsu instinctively preferred training, so they ostracized him due to his unusual tendencies. So he grew distant from his fellow pokemon.

-when he met his trainers, their notion of strength and its pursuit was incompatible with his. Their feelings were unsufficient.

-15:52 just wanted to say this ost is amazing.

-it's revealed that ultimately keromatsu was looking for something even more important than strength: "love". Then the vision shows when he met satoshi.

-satoshi says he also wants to strive to be stronger, and says he and gekogashira will strive for it together through the league and becoming a pokemon master.

-sycamore asks about gekogashira's future. She says it will achieve "another power", and satoshi asks if she's talking about gekkouga. She says that's there of course, but that its future is one beyond that future, and that both satoshi and gekougashira will achieve it. Sycamore asks if she's talking about mega evolution, and satoshi gets excited. Sycamore dials things back a bit, though, saying that at this point even he doesn't know if greninja can mega evolve. Satoshi immediately challenges her to a battle. She agrees and asks for his name. (this is curious... Would they openly question whether gekkouga can mega evolve in that anime, specifically satoshi's, and then introduce a different ability that's anime-exclusive? If it were anime-exclusive, it's likely gekkouga could still get a mega evolution in the games. This may suggest there's no mega evolution in-game, since game freak is really specific about not allowing the anime to spoil unnannounced plans or characters.)

-when gojika sees that the sundial is in danger, she has the male meowstic use helping hand, and has the female project a future sight. Citron explains future sight upon serena's inquiry. Future sight's mechanism in the anime is totally revamped (and awesome). A timer starts, and when time runs out, the attack will strike its target without fail (evidently regardless of location as well). Since gojika can see the future, she can technically direct the future sight to the location of her visions. It's a move that effectively cannot be stopped, because it guarantees a certain future. (the integration of gojika's psychic abilities and character with her battle style is awesome. Ironically the gym leader with the least development in-game is getting some of the best in the anime. Good on the writers for using her character as such an effective plot device, and setting her up as the very personification of unstoppable limits on the future that satoshi must overcome.)

-satoshi asks if the attack on tr is future sight, citron confirms that it's the same move gojika set up beforehand. (she didn't even move!)

-sycamore says gojika's abilities to see the future are formidable, and citron concurs that if one already knows the future, nothing can be done about it. Serena, in awe, asks, "satoshi will have to fight this person?"

overall, i'm incredibly pleased with this episode. Also deciding not to watch the preview so i can thoroughly enjoy next week's the potential evolution it may entail (whether it happens or not, i haven't seen it. My expectations aren't specific enough to be "betrayed". Haven't been hyped for a gym battle like this all season.)

thank you!!
 

grecefar

Member
well this was a good chapter, at least some indirect thought that ash is like a veteran since froakie didn't accept noobs for trainers, however they say it was love... yeah right.
 

DotKU

Champion
Well I can't say I expected the episode to turn out like this. This episode was definitely focused on building the atmosphere for XYZ, and the focus on Frogadier makes me doubt if Ash is actually gonna get a mega now. This episode was dialogue heavy though, so I'll have to come back to it later. Olympia's gym is actually pretty nice. I'm glad we finally got some back story to Froakie though. Very excited for next episode!
 

Navin

MALDREAD
Mal's Review-

Get hyped for the SatoSmogonfrog!


Pros:

* "OHHH" Yup they nailed the creepy omniscience of Olympia

* James parody of Oak +1

* Malva foreshadowing for Act IV!

* Beautiful gym battlefield

* SatoSmogonfrog!

* Cool they referenced the Mega Evolution specials

* OST was on point in this episode

* Future Sight +1


Neutrals:

* Eevee is keeping up with the shy routine? Is this going to be a gag, or will it actually get resolved? Hopefully the latter...

* I get that the battle had to be minimized and budget saved for next episode's clash, but that was incredibly, one-sided

* Wait the frog was a lone wolf? I get that his relentless will to become stronger might explain his future power, but he also has that amiable 'white knight' persona such that it doesn't make sense for him to be like that, and for the other amphibians to beat the crap out of him...


Cons:

* Team Rocket blast-off insertion


Thoughts:

* Vodoo psychic cult

* Waylaid by Evil Cultist on the streets. Reminded me of Baldur's Gate.

* You would think with the powers she possess, Olympia would be more than just a gym leader, like y'know, ruler of Kalos


Once again, XY gives some personality to its gym leaders. On the other hand, this wasn't just a mere introduction, but also set the motions for events to come in XY&Z.


7-7.5/10
 
I don't think anybody has picked up on this, but from reliable translations, Olympia actually said that TR will also be involved in the Kalos crisis, in addition to Ash and Sycamore (after the scene she used future sight). So it seems that TR will actually play a more important role in XY&Z (maybe TR vs. Team Flare?)

Also just like to add that this episode was extremely well done and really got me hyped up for the gym battle and XY&Z. Can't wait for Thursday!!
 

UltimateNinja

Praying for the holy relics
Well I noticed something.

There are quite a few parallels to the first visit in Sunyshore. The city is heavy influenced by solar cells, the fire elite four is appearing and TR is trying to steal heavy thing as big as buildings (sundial, lighthouse).

Also the main pokemon star of the gang starring in the gym (Frogadier, Infernape) in the gym match in a later episode.
 

Dephender

Gizakawayusu
Staff member
Moderator
I don't think anybody has picked up on this, but from reliable translations, Olympia actually said that TR will also be involved in the Kalos crisis, in addition to Ash and Sycamore (after the scene she used future sight).

While this is correct, please don't quote unsourced "reliable translations", since they have a tendency to be anything but. This can and will lead to infractions for spreading misinformation.
 

k6666

Pikachu Fan
10/10
this episode make me hype about the gym battle i hope it take entire episode :D
 
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