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Community POTW #017

Discussion in 'POTW Collaboration' started by Serebii, Feb 16, 2014.

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  1. Serebii

    Serebii And, as if by magic, the webmaster appeared... Staff Member Admin

    Time for the next Pokémon of the Week and the generator has spat out another awesome Pokémon

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    It's Gyarados, the awesome Water/Flying Pokémon that has been a fan favourite for many years.

    http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-xy/130.shtml

    Go nuts



    In addition to this, we also have the Mega Corner article to come with it

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    Gyarados received a Mega Evolution, with a type change and significant stat increases.
     
  2. SmeargleRocks

    SmeargleRocks Reputable Trader

    Bulky Mega Gyarados
    Intimidate
    248 HP, 252 Atk, 8 Speed
    Adamant
    Waterfall
    Earthquake
    Iron Head
    Dragon Dance

    Waterfall is stabbed, DD is a boost, earthquake when mega can take out specially defensive Rotom cause of mold breaker, iron head hits some fairies mainly togekiss but could be replaced for maybe ice fang or bite but they're almost to weak to use on it
     
  3. Carter2100

    Carter2100 Member

    Item: leftovers
    Ability: Intimidate
    Evs: 248 Hp, 40 Atk, 100 Def, 120 Spd,

    Waterfall
    Taunt, Thunderwave
    Stone Edge, Earthquake
    Iron Head, Ice Fang

    A bulky Gyarados with STAB Waterfall, Stone Edge or Earthquake for coverage, Iron Head for fairies such as Azumarill that resist Waterfall, and Ice Fang for grass and dragon types. Taunt can be used to stop other pokemon from setting up or Twave to slow down faster pokemon.

    Dragon Dance could also be used with a little bit of evs put into speed
     
  4. Mestorn

    Mestorn Wandering Battler

    For everyone who went through the hell of raising up that Magikarp, just proves how good Gyarados is, both mechanically and aesthetically.

    Typing: Water-Flying is a decent start. 5 Resistances plus 1 immunity is never too bad. But then the weaknesses come along and are among the worst in the game. Quad weak to Electric does nothing any favors, and a weakness to Stealth Rock is your door prize for packing a Flying subtype. The Resists, especially to Fighting, Ground and Water are great, but the price to pay is high.
    Offensively, Water Flying is a great STAB combo. Flying compliments Water well, cutting down Grass types that are resistant to it and hitting everything else for neutral. Water does likewise for flying, washing away the Rocks that resist it and hitting Steels for neutral.
    For some reason Mega-Gyarados becomes a Water-Dark type. For what reason? Beats me. At a first glance, Water-Dark seems beneficial: 6 resistances and 1 immunity are great, and losing the weakness to Stealth Rock, plus a chance to actually survive Electric attacks is a great deal for Mega-dos. Then comes the fact that Mega-dos now has 5 weaknesses instead of 2 and the deal starts to look bad especially with a weakness to Fighting and Bug, two types it used to resist.
    Again though, Water-Dark is a great stab combo, though the two types don’t complement each other as well as Water-Flying. No monotype pokemon can resist the STAB combo, and few dual types as well.

    Stats: Gyarados has few weaknesses and many strengths. Base 125 Attack instantly screams “sweeper!” and can dent most things fairly well. Gyarados sits at the bulky end of the Sweeper spectrum with Base 95 HP and Base 100 SDEF making it particularly spongy. 79 DEF is just below average and 81 SPD is a tad slow for a non- Trick Room pokemon, but Gyarados has apps for those two stats. Surprisingly, for a pokemon that is commonly depicted spewing beams of cataclysmic proportions, Gyarados’s SATK sucks. Don’t use it.
    Mega-Dos takes the title bulky sweeper and cranks it up to 11. 109 DEF and 130 SDEF in conjunction with that high HP is incredibly durable. Add to the equation as heart stopping 155 ATK and Mega-Dos will be haunting your dreams, if not your team’s grave.

    Moveset: As mentioned before, Gyarados has a fairly large (but unusable) special moveset. Its physical movepool isn’t as fantastic, but allows Gyarados to get the job done. In addition to its numerous water STABs (Waterfall, Aqua Tail), its physical movepool consists of Bite, Return, Ice Fang, Earthquake, Stone Edge, Payback, Bounce, Iron Head and Outrage is the full extent of the leviathan’s movepool. In addition, Gyarados possesses the coveted Dragon Dance, the first of its Apps that patches its paltry speed and boosts its attack to nuke-tacular levels. Gyarados has little to speak of for a support movepool outside of the standard WTPS (Weather, Toxic, Protect, Substitute), with Taunt, Roar, and Dragon Tail being the standout options.

    Abilities: Gyarados is another pokemon that walks away with multiple great abilities. Intimidate, is Gyarados’ second App, patching up its physical defense. Moxie is great in conjunction with Dragon Dance, making Gyarados impossible to stop after a few KOs. Mega-Dos gets the ridiculous Mold Breaker for its ability, which it will use to primarily doom Levitators and anything with Water Absorb and Storm Drain.

    The Verdict: “We’re all going to DIEEEEEE!” Gyarados, and its Mega evolution have many strengths and few weaknesses. Be prepared for these leviathans.
     
  5. csraito

    csraito Member

    A classic fan favourite

    Hide and Dance
    252atk, 252 speed Jolly Life Orb/Leftovers
    Substitute
    Dragon Dance
    Waterfall
    Earthquake

    First you switch in to something Gyarados threatens. Use sub then Dance. Always catches me off guard
     
  6. SkyDriver

    SkyDriver Hiding in the grass

    Draco Atrox

    Gyarados @ Wacan Berry
    Moxie
    Jolly
    252 Atk / 252 Spe / 4 Def
    - Dragon Dance
    - Waterfall / Aqua Tail
    - Earthquake / Stone Edge
    - Bounce / Ice Fang / Return

    Set up sweeper with a good chance to set up cuz even electric moves won't OHKO. Rotom-W troubles it though. Dragon Dance is the move to set up, followed by a STAB attack, standard coverage, and the 4th slot is a choice between 2nd STAB, more coverage and hitting Rotom-W.

    Gyarados @ Gyaradosite
    Intimidate => Mold Breaker
    Jolly
    252 Atk / 252 Spe / 4 Def
    - Dragon Dance
    - Waterfall
    - Ice Fang
    - Bite / EQ / SE

    Pretty much the same set, but more effective in Sky Battles, because it isn't weak to rock.
     
  7. Kraleck

    Kraleck Well-Known Member

    Gyarados once terrorized the battlefield with immense power until Players realized the awesome power of Electric Types. Now, Mega Evolution allows Gyarados a second chance at destruction. Much like the classification, its capacity for being easy to fight against is atrocious.

    Stats:
    -HP - Good-bordering-Great - Base 95 is something you don't regularly see in Flying (or Dark) Types, but you are a Water Type after all.
    -Attack - Incredible/Incredible - Base 125 is a step above Water Types that aren't Kingler and Mega-Gyarados's Base 155 leaves Kingler in the dust.
    -Defense - Slightly-Below Average/Great - Base 79 is a mere point behind the Base 80 Average, but you also have assistance from Intimidate. Base 109 is just a mere point below Slowbro.
    -Sp.Atk - Mediocre/Below Average - Not going to see much use with that high Attack.
    -Sp.Def - Great/Incredible - Bulk is essential for Water Types. Base 100 is great, despite the 4x Electric issue, but Base 130 with the Mega Evolution is just chocolate syrup drizzled on the icing of the cake.
    -Speed - Slightly-Above Average (Non-Trick Room) - Base 81 Speed isn't game-breaking, but you've got access to Dragon Dance to pump it up along with that yummy Attack.

    Abilities:
    -Intimidate - A staple Ability for competitive Battles, especially Doubles and Triples, but beware of Contrary, Defiant, and Competitive Ability opponents.
    -Moxie (Hidden, Available [Friend Safari]) - Attack is Buffed 1 Stage per KO. I like the concept, but it's hard to justify its use if you choose to go Mega.
    -Mold Breaker - Remember when I said Mega Evolution made Gyarados a terror once again? This plus Earthquake is the reason why. Neither Levitate nor Sturdy Pokémon can survive a hit like that without extreme issues. Sacrificing a Hold Item for Gyaradosite is well compensated...

    Overall, Gyarados is still the monster it once was, but it is also a new breed of horrible-to-face. Its fancy new Water/Dark Type via Mega Evolution gives Electric Types a new thing to beware of. Trading Rock and 4x Electric Weaknesses and immunity to Ground for Fighting, Fairy, Grass, and Bug Weaknesses, regular Electric Weakness and immunity to Psychic is a decent trade once you realize your newfound bulk and Mold Breaker. The main issue is it still has to switch into Stealth Rock as a Flying Type prior to Mega Evolution in some cases and a Mega-Gyarados user is easier to spot in comparison to normal Gyarados usage.
     
  8. danesjutri

    danesjutri New Member

    Gyarados
    Gyaradosite
    Intimidate
    Impish nature
    252 HP 252 DEF

    -Waterfall
    -Dragon Dance
    -Rest
    -Sleep Talk
     
  9. ajgrocks100

    ajgrocks100 The Loomer

    I tried this out, and I'm surprised to say it took down teams single-handedly.
    It is really good, unless the enemy has a ferrothorn.
    That thing is a thorn (ba dum, ching!) in everyone's side..
     
  10. RDaneel

    RDaneel Active Member

    I usually go with this:

    Item: Gyaradosite
    Ability: Intimidate
    Evs: 252 Att 252 Spd 4 Def
    Nature: Jolly or Adamant

    Waterfall
    Thunderwave
    Stone Edge
    Earthquake

    And I cry when I look at its Special Attack and then examine the Special Movepool... Scald/Surf/Hidropump, Ice Beam/Blizzard, Thunderbolt/Thunder, Flamethrower/Fire Blast, Dark Pulse, Dragon Pulse. I would have loved a MegaEvolution that improved that horrible stat
     
  11. Golden Warrior

    Golden Warrior Pokemon Professor

    Gyrados is that one ferocious beast that can sweep teams, tank hits, and then get taken out by an electric type move. Well, he WAS that, then Mega Evolutions happened and he turned into a tanky nigh unstoppable beast roaring to go through teams like butter. So, time for me to do my usual basic overview of this beastly beast.

    Pros:
    - Bulky as heck and can tank even the strongest of Special Attacks.
    - STAB Water and Flying moves can cause great damage with that beautiful attack stat, even to things that resist it.
    - Only 2 weaknesses.

    Cons:
    -Death by Electric moves is very easy, especially if you happen to run into a Physical electric move.
    - Below average defenses, usually not a problem thanks to how bulky it already is.

    Abilities: You could honestly go either way here, if you feel like lowering the opponents attack is essential to make use of Gyrados' bulk, do so, but raising sweeping capabilities with Moxie is very much a thing. Both are quite useful.

    Countering Gyrados: Click electric type move and then watch Gyrados' HP plummet. Physical moves work best here. Pokemon that can resist EQ and both Flying and Water moves are very safe to swtich in and use an electric move, anything that can take a hit and then easily destroy basically. You may want a clean switch either way, however, as Gyrados still hits hard, especially if it got the chance to set-up.

    Checking Gyrados: For the most part, Pokemon that are Steel types work as great checks if you know your opponent doesn't have Earthquake. A GREAT Pokemon here is Skarmory, as it can go in, take no damage from earthquake and take both of Gyrados' STAB moves with relative ease. Beyond this, any Pokemon that you think is bulky enough to take the hits easily will do, Bulky Pokemon like Blissey and defensive Pokemon like Confagrigus or Deoxys-D that are neutral to Gyrados' STAB will probably do well here.

    MegaGyrados:

    Pros:
    - Electric weakness pretty much nullified, but gains a ton of other weaknesses like Fighting and Bug that may end up being hard to deal with.
    - Attack boost that can easily take out many tanky Pokemon and a boost in defenses enough to make Gyrados even MORE tanky than before.

    Cons:
    -As mentioned earlier, a plethora of weaknesses are gained for the loss of the Rock and dampening of the electric weaknesses, but this is easily managed.

    Ability: Mold Breaker does wonders against things with Sturdy and Azumarril with Huge Power and other such things. Making Gyrados able to smash most threats regardless of abilities.

    Countering MegaGyrados: This is a little harder now, but many things can now have more effect on Gyrados. Anything that can tank a hit and then use a powerful Physical Fighting, Bug, Grass, or even the old electric type can take this thing out with relative ease. If you can get a clean switch in, then a faster less bulky Pokemon could OHKO with a powerful enough move, but switching in to take a hit WILL require a considerable amount of bulk.

    Checking MegaGyrados: Pretty much anything that can check Gyrados can check it's MegaEvolution form as well. A tanky Pokemon that can resist or simply take the hits MegaGyrados dishes out will do well here.


    Overall: Gyrados is fantastic in two fields, a Sp. Defensive wall, or a Physical Sweeper. It should NOT be underestimated in either and the consequences will be dire if you let it set up against you. Hope to be ready against this thing, because if you aren't... you're gone.
     
  12. kirant

    kirant Member

    The great thing about Gyarados is that it can do lots of things. It an be surprisingly bulky if built to be, hits like a truck, has two nice abilities, and is something of a fairly rare variety: a quality physical water type. The weakness to Stealth Rocks sucks and you've got vulnerabilities to a fairly omnipresent attack type (electric), but man, old habits die hard. Gyarados has been and continues to be a top tier threat. Even worse when you start throwing curveballs into the equation.

    Style Comes Only with Atrocious Effort
    Gyarados w/ Leftovers
    Intimidate
    Impish Nature
    252 HP, 252 Def, 6 SpD
    Waterfall
    Dragon Tail/Roar
    Rest
    Sleep Talk/Taunt

    This is a rough and tumble set with shockingly good defensive bulk. Intimidate hurts physical attackers bad. Between pretty good defensive typing and some good attack stats, Gyarados can hurt in a long fight.

    Waterfall is the standard attack for Gyarados. Nice chance of flinching, good damage, and STAB. You won't see as many chances to use the first effect here, but it still is a great primary damage move.

    Dragon Tail/Roar are utility moves that can be interchanged. One does good damage, the other can hit fairies. Either way, you want something to prevent a quick set up since Gyarados, when asleep, can be bait if your luck goes bad. On more defensive teams, this also comes with that nice Heatran advantage of most teams only carrying 1-2 counters and giving you a chance to play damage via shuffling their lines via entry hazards until you luck runs out. Even better is that Sleep Talked phaze attacks ignore their intended priority. Dragon Tail on slow targets its a heck of a lot of fun and I suggest you try it sometime.

    Rest makes the beast tough to bring down. Gyarados doesn't have many non-obvious 2HKOs. Heck, Excadrill can't even do it without getting a second Swords Dance set up if Gyarados switched in. Sleep also prevents burns from working their way into Gyarados' attack

    The last option depends on how you want to work. I personally use Gyarados as a Sleep Talker. Between Intimidate, a physically defensive build, and the expected Dragon Dance set, it's rare that doesn't do very well. But Taunt is a tough thing to remove from this bulky set up and Gyarados can easily force switches by Taunting proper opponents. It also deals heavily with the common counter named Ferrothorn by prevention of set up and its common damage set (Leech Seed accounts for much of its damage)

    So, how tough is this, you ask? It counters quite a few heavy sweeping targets...Mega Charizard X goes down on the switch in. If it keeps setting up Dragon Dances and you aren't comfortable, you can phaze it out. It does well against Mega Charizard Y as well. You can pretty much stay in sleep mode and win since you can Rest off damage quick. As mentioned before, it's a HARD Excadrill counter. Beats Greninja. Goes well against Scizor because of typing (pretty much a free momentum shift).

    That being said, it's an easy walling target at times by water and grass types. It has a primary attack that isn't the toughest in the world. #1 used pokemon Rotom-W laughs at it and it gets a free Volt Switch. Belly Drum Azumarill, as with most walls, is a huge threat. Venusaur and Ferrothorn are really amused by its efforts. And of course, there's anything which utilizes electric attacks.
     
    Last edited: Feb 16, 2014
  13. Mestorn

    Mestorn Wandering Battler

    Doubles Review: Gyarados is one of the most viable pokemon in doubles. Resists Surf and floats (?) above Earthquake as well as being able to fire off Earthquakes of its own. In addition, Intimidate is good for taking the physical heat off of a partner. Gyarados pairs so well with Lightning Rod that it is clichéd. Weak to Rock Slide hurts, but that is it. It’s Mega Form isn’t as teammate friendly but can still work.

    On a side note Gyarados loathes being burned (aside from the RestTalk set). Burning Gyarados shuts it down… Just hope you live long enough to do so.
     
  14. TheMegaJedi

    TheMegaJedi Pokemon Master

    Name of set: Dancing Shrimp
    Dragon Dance
    Waterfall
    Ice Fang/Outrage
    Earthquake
    Ability: Moxie
    Item: Lum Berry

    Mega Moveset: Sssweep
    Dragon Dance
    Ice Fang
    Waterfall
    Earthquake
    Ability: Mold Breaker
     
  15. Razor Shiftry

    Razor Shiftry Cynthia = Porn Star

    I've always been fond of the Scarf Set:

    Gyarados w/ Choice Scarf
    Moxie
    Adamant Nature
    252 Atk, 252 Spe, 4 SpD
    Waterfall
    Stone Edge/Bounce
    Earth Quake
    Ice Fang/Bounce/Return

    Great for late game. Come in on something weakened, knock it out, get the moxie boost and you're away. Waterfall is the main move of this set. STAB. Good power. Flinch. 100 Accuracy. Stone Edge and Earth Quake for General coverage - beware of the accuracy issues with Stone Edge, only use when necessary. Last move is up to you. Ice Fang has good coverage but lower base power. Bounce has STAB and paralyzing chance, but two turns to work and inaccurate which can slow your sweep. Return is a general high base power move which can be abused.

    Chances are, you're only going to use Waterfall, but tailor the rest of the set to what coverage you need for your team!
     
  16. Swoobat

    Swoobat Well-Known Member

    Yes! Finally a Pokemon that is OU worthy! I think the generator should be restricted to Pokémon that are going to be OU or at least viable, not **** like Skuntank, or Swellow, which will be good, but in their respective tiers, and then is when their analysis would be good.
     
  17. dragontamer98

    dragontamer98 Modern Genocide

    Gyarados @ Leftovers
    Ability: Intimidate
    EVs: 252 HP/ 252 Def/ 4 Atk
    Nature: Impish
    -Thunder Wave
    -Taunt
    -Dragon Tail
    -Waterfall

    A classic defensive, supportive Gyarados I loved to use in 5th Gen. The removal of perma-rain hurt this set to some degree, but it is still viable to stop several physical threats. The combination of Thunder Wave and Dragon Tail is the core of this set, spreading paralysis and racking up residual damage on entry hazards, and it does a good amount of damage, especially against the Dragons you'll be looking to switch into. Waterfall is for STAB and prevent you from being Taunt-bait, and Taunt is to stop stall mons or boosters from setting up on you.
    Partners that can provide Wish support help a lot, as this set isn't packing Restalk and has no means of recovery. Defog/Spin support is welcome too, as chipping away 25% of your health before taking a hit isn't exactly ideal. Hazard support is also helpful to wear down the Pokemon that Gyarados is shuffling in and out. Lastly, Pokemon like Azumarill or M-Mawile can come in and wreck after Gyarados has removed walls and crippled threats to their sweep. Jirachi makes a good partner, taking special hits well, further spreading paralysis with Body Slam, providing Wish support, and sharing defensive synergy with Gyarados. Latias is nearly in the same boat, but can provide Defog support for Gyarados. Bisharp also makes a good partner since opponents will normally look to Defog the hazards Gyarados's team has set, giving Bisharp a +2 Atk boost on the switch in.
     
  18. Nulava

    Nulava Banned

    Gyarados @ Life Orb / Lum Berry
    Nature: Adamant / Jolly
    Ability: Moxie
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
    ~Dragon Dance
    ~Waterfall
    ~Stone Edge / Earthquake
    ~Bounce

    Gyarados @ Gyaradosite
    Nature: Impish
    Ability: Intimidate -> Mold Breaker
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
    ~Dragon Dance
    ~Waterfall
    ~Rest
    ~Sleep Talk
     
  19. chap196

    chap196 Well-Known Member

    Overview:
    Gyarados has high Attack and also some decent HP and Special Attack. Its only weakness is electric, but it is 4x weak

    Positive:
    -125 Attack is very high allowing it to OHKO a lot of Pokemon
    -Its only weakness is electric
    -It has access to Dragon Dance allowing it to sweep
    -Its movepool isn't bad

    Negative:
    -It is 4x weak to electric
    -Its defense isn't that high (79 base defense)
    -Its weak to stealth rock

    Abilities:
    Intimidate: This ability is quite good because it allows it to survive physical Attack easier, this would work better if you use Mega Gyarados
    Moxie: This ability is quite good it gets +1 attack once it knocks out a Pokemon allowing it to sweep easier.

    Moveset:

    Dragon Dance
    Item: Life Orb/ Leftover/ Lum Berry
    Nature: Jolly
    Ability: Moxie
    EVs: 252 Attack/ 252 Speed/ 4 HP
    Moveset:
    Dragon Dance
    Waterfall
    Earthquake
    Ice Fang/ Stone Edge

    Dragon Dance allows it to sweep while Waterfall STABs, Earthquake covers a lot of type and Ice Fang to kill Grass Type Pokemon + Garchomp or Stone Edge for a stronger Flying Coverages.

    Choice Gyarados:
    Item: Choice Band/ Choice Scarf
    Nature: Adamant/ Jolly
    Ability: Moxie
    EVs: 252 Attack/ 252 Speed/ 4 HP
    Moveset:
    Waterfall
    Earthquake
    Stone Edge
    Ice Fang

    The Choice Band or Choice Scarf moveset can hit hard or hit fast without wasting a turn to Dragon Dance. Moxie allows Choice Scarf set to work easily.

    Other options:
    Rest + Sleep Talk + Toxic: You can make Gyarados a very bulky Pokemon and stall Toxic with Rest + Sleep Talk.
    Dragon Tail: Dragon Tail allows Gyarados to stop sweeper from sweeping.
    Thunder Wave: Paralyze can slow your opponent down.
    Taunt: Can stop things like Ferrathorn to setup.

    Mega Corner

    Overview:
    Mega Gyarados changes its typing when it is Mega Evolving. It usually gets disadvantage when it changes its typing, but it is at least ok.

    Positive over Normal Gyarados:
    - It has higher Attack, Defense and Special Defense (don't mention its increased Special Attack).
    - Its new typing give its immunity to Psychic, new resistance to Ghost and Dark and only 2x weakness against Electric
    - Mold Breaker is a nice ability to kill Multiscale Dragonite and Sturdy.
    - It is no longer Stealth Rock Weak

    Negative over Normal Gyarados:
    - It loses its immunity to ground type and also gain a new weakness of Bug, Fairy, Fighting and Grass Type
    - It no longer can use its Moxie ability

    Abilities:
    Mold Breaker: This is a good ability to kill Dragonite and Sturdy as well as Levitate.

    Moveset:

    Fast Dragon Dance
    Item: Gyaradosite
    Nature: Jolly
    Ability: Intimidate
    EVs: 252 Attack/ 252 Speed/ 4 HP
    Moveset:
    Dragon Dance
    Waterfall
    Earthquake
    Ice Fang/ Stone Edge

    Everything is the same as the first Gyarados moveset. Intimidate allows it to survive Black Kyurem's Fusion Bolt.

    Other options:
    Bite: Bite can be used as another STAB move, but it is too weak. Also it can't lose the coverages Ice Fang or Stone Edge covers.

    Countering Gyarados:
    Sableye completely counters Gyarados by burning it and stalling it with Recover. Ferrathorn can also easily wall Gyarados.

    Overall Gyarados and Mega Gyarados is strong and Mega Gyarados is the Mega Evolution I currently use in my team.
     
  20. HJHAR

    HJHAR Member

    They see me bouncing, they hating
    Gyarados
    Ability: Intimidate
    item: leftovers
    EVs: 88 HP / 248 Atk / 4 Def / 168 Spd
    Jolly Nature
    - Dragon Dance
    - Waterfall
    - Bounce
    - Substitute

    This set is pretty simple just do dragon dance once or twice and then use bounce to escape an attack and attack the next turn. Substitute to provide some protection and waterfall for STAB
     
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