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Community POTW #025

Discussion in 'POTW Collaboration' started by Serebii, May 10, 2020.

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  1. Serebii

    Serebii And, as if by magic, the webmaster appeared... Staff Member Admin

  2. XaelOstigian

    XaelOstigian Competitive...kinda

    Prior to gen 8's release, I thought to myself, "I wonder what it would take to make a Pokemon that could fully abuse a move like Stored Power? A staller with access to Speed Boost? A Simple user with access to Nasty Plot? A defensive Pokemon with high defenses and Cosmic Power? Maybe a Pokemon that also has Shell Smash? Nah, that last one would be WAY to OP..." But then it happened...and Polteageist proceeded to remind us of the power of a good cup of tea:
    A Cup of Earl Grey Tea would be Smashing
    Ability: Weak Armor
    Item: Focus Sash/White Herb
    Nature: Timid (+Speed -Attack)
    EVs: (HP 4) (Sp.Attack 252) (Speed 252)

    Shell Smash
    Shadow Ball
    Stored Power
    Giga Drain

    Set Details:
    Set up a Shell Smash while using either a Focus Sash or White Herb to serve as a buffer against getting KO'ed right after its use. Shadow Ball is obviously the main STAB, but it actually gets out-damaged by Stored Power after a single boost since 20 base power + (20 x # of stat boosts) = 140 base power, where as Shadow Ball with STAB is only (80 base power x 1.5 STAB) = 120. And that's not even counting the +2 boost in special attack. Factor in taking direct damage and Weak Armor will activate further boosting Stored Power to a scary 180 base power. Between this power level and either +2 or +4 speed, Polteageist can decimate entire teams without the proper counter. That said, Polteageist unfortunately lacks coverage outside of Shadow Ball and Stored Power, forcing it to run Giga Drain as its only option against Dark types that resist Polteageist's STAB and are immune to Stored Power (Though the coverage against the Water/Ground types is nice). Despite that limitation, I still love this wonderful brew and even put it on my Shield team. I guess what I'm trying to say here is "Polteageist...
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  3. Mestorn

    Mestorn Wandering Battler

    Polteageist really is a one trick pony. Granted, that trick is terrifying, but Shell Smash Stored Power sweeping is Polteageist's claim to fame, and outside of that, Polteageist is really physically frail, and at an awkward speed both in and out of Trick Room. If you want a powerful offensive ghost, generally Gengar and Chandelure have Polteageist outclassed in immediate speed and power. Poteageist's SDEF is decent, but poor HP makes it difficult to take hits and provides Polteageist very few opportunities to setup, as even the stuff it switches into can dispatch it provided they are not locked into a Normal/Fighting move and not named Sir'Fetched. Even after setup, Poteageist remains vulnerable to non Quick Attack/Mach Punch/Extreme Speed priority, especially Sucker Punch.

    Polteageist is not recommended at all for the doubles format. While possessing immunity to Normal and Fighting moves is nice, its extreme fraility makes it vulnerable to any physical spread move (Earthquake, Rockslide, etc.) and doesn't resist any spread moves outside the rare Boomburst and Sludge Wave (namely from Toxtricity). Additionally, boosting is difficult in doubles since that tends to invite focus firing which makes it difficult for Polteageist to survive.

    Other Moves
    It should be noted in unrestricted formats, Polteageist gains a lot of utility with Baton Pass, as a Smash Passer that can competently sweep with it is a great role and gives Polteageist a lot of value as team support.
    Foul Play -Polteageist is expected to be a special sweeper and many people will be targeting its low DEF, so Foul Play is a good surprise move. Shame its coverage is redundant with Shadow Ball

    Checks and Counters
    Worse case scenario -Polteageist has setup a Shell Smash and is looking to crush your team, what do you do? Send in a dark type. Dark's resist/are immune both of Polteageist's main moves, so as long as they can stomach a boosted Giga Drain, they can dispatch a Shell Smashed Poletageist with ease. Incineroar, Hydreigon and Mandibuzz resist Giga Drain, while Umbreon has phenomenal special bulk to fill this role. Other Dark types can come in, but good prediction will be needed, as a Boosted Giga Drain will still 2HKO most of them (and Bisharp is 2HKOd by Shadow Ball).

    As mentioned before, priority is the other key factor. Polteageist has paper thin defense and crumbles under most priority.

    252 Atk Choice Band Weavile Ice Shard vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Polteageist: 132-156 (50.5 - 59.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
    252 Atk Life Orb Mimikyu Shadow Sneak vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Polteageist: 190-226 (72.7 - 86.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
    252+ Atk Life Orb Barraskewda Aqua Jet vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Polteageist: 129-152 (49.4 - 58.2%) -- 96.5% chance to 2HKO

    Please note that you are still required to take a hit, so some bulk is necessary. And some Polteageist may be running Focus Sash, in which case, they will live through one priority attack, but any priority will be bringing them down to their Focus Sash.

    Unaware Clefable does have enough natural bulk to deal with Polteageist, but Stored Power still increases in base power, even if Clefable is ignoring the SATK boosts, a 2nd Shell Smash will still hurt a lot (Quagsire is utterly wrecked by Giga Drain and thus can't block Polteageist at all).

    +4 252 SpA Polteageist Stored Power (260 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Unaware Clefable: 223-263 (56.5 - 66.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

    Finally be aware of counterplay in open formats where Baton Pass is allowed, as Polteageist can just Baton Pass its boosts to a counter of your counter.
    Last edited: May 18, 2020
  4. BillyBobJoe

    BillyBobJoe Well-Known Member

    Yeah, not really much else can be said about Polteageist. The only other worthwhile stat-boosting move it gets is Nasty Plot, which is outshines by Shell Smash. Withdraw is kind of useless considering its weak Defense and how Weak Armor and Shell Smash lower its Defense.

    One other potential option is Strength Sap. It won’t deal damage like Giga Drain, but it could be useful in Doubles to act as a one-target Intimidate.
  5. Aduro

    Aduro Mt.BtlMaster

    I tend to prefer strength sap to giga drain, simply because sucker punch is the obvious choice in front of most Polteageists.
  6. Serebii

    Serebii And, as if by magic, the webmaster appeared... Staff Member Admin

    Slight mixup of schedule and I thought we had Polteageist this week. So I'll keep this open for another week
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