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Community POTW #029

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What does the Dephox say?

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Kraleck said:
Whimsicott's reliance on Status and Support Moves may be Taunt bait, but it also makes you realize something new about Electric and Grass Types and Overcoat Ability they introduced in Gen VI - Electric Types are immune to Paralysis and Grass Types and Overcoat Ability Pokémon are immune to spore-based Moves. Plus, Gen VI gave us a new Hold Item that gives the holder the benefits of Overcoat Ability: Safety Goggles. Stun Spore, Cotton Spore, and useless-when-compared-to-Toxic Poison Powder just got screwed over.
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Taunt bait isn't really a thing. People should stop using that phrase. Being weak to a certain move can be worked around. I mean people don't use Taunt for fun, they use it to shut down non-offensive supporter Pokemon. If you get Taunted switch out, no big deal.

Even less of an issue Whimsicott gets priority Taunt so it can shut down the Taunters first (except against Thundurus). It doesn't even matter if Whimsicott is hit by Taunt because it has priority status moves. Did your Pokemon just Taunt Whimsicott? That's fine because Whimsicott already Stun Spored your Pokemon and is now U-turning out. Or it used Encore / Memento and prevented the Taunt. Taunt does shut down the Sub-Seeder but Sub seeding is terrible anyway.
 
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Kraleck

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What does the Dephox say? said:
Taunt bait isn't really a thing. People should stop using that phrase. Being weak to a certain move can be worked around. I mean people don't use Taunt for fun, they use it to shut down non-offensive supporter Pokemon. If you get Taunted switch out, no big deal.

Even less of an issue Whimsicott gets priority Taunt so it can shut down the Taunters first (except against Thundurus). It doesn't even matter if Whimsicott is hit by Taunt because it has priority status moves. Did your Pokemon just Taunt Whimsicott? That's fine because Whimsicott already Stun Spored your Pokemon and is now U-turning out. Or it used Encore / Memento and prevented the Taunt. Taunt does shut down the Sub-Seeder but Sub seeding is terrible anyway.
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My usage of "Taunt bait" there refers more to drawing out a Taunt user on purpose so you can punish the opponent for over-extending, but common Status & Support from 'cott can be averted by a Type "matchup" against the effect. Whimsicott is all about the hit-and-run harass. Some people try to prevent the long-term annoyance, only to realize fragile 'cott wants to get out ASAP.
 
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What does the Dephox say?

Ring-ding-ding-di...
Kraleck said:
My usage of "Taunt bait" there refers more to drawing out a Taunt user on purpose so you can punish the opponent for over-extending, but common Status & Support from 'cott can be averted by a Type "matchup" against the effect. Whimsicott is all about the hit-and-run harass. Some people try to prevent the long-term annoyance, only to realize fragile 'cott wants to get out ASAP.
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A better term would be a "lure" or "Taunt lure". Most players who use the phrase Taunt Bait use it for anything that is heavily disrupted by Taunt. Usually the phrase Taunt bait is used by bad players who seem to think Taunt is used on literally everything all the time and to be disrupted by Taunt makes a Pokemon useless.

Regardless Whimsicott is not "Taunt Bait" because it tends to throw around status or encore then switch out, or it utilizes priority Taunt to block other Taunters. Whimsicott doesn't like to stick around in one place long anyway.
 
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Kraleck said:
Plus, Gen VI gave us a new Hold Item that gives the holder the benefits of Overcoat Ability: Safety Goggles. Stun Spore, Cotton Spore, and useless-when-compared-to-Toxic Poison Powder just got screwed over.
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Safety Goggles are almost never used, even in the RU tier. Admittedly I don't play RU, so I don't know if they've had a recent spike in popularity or something, but based on April's statistics, their usage is pretty pitiful. Most Pokemon either prefer the power that something like a Life Orb, Choice item, etc. bring, the recovery of Leftovers, or some other niche item. The existence of Safety Goggles hasn't done much of anything to Whimsicott.

As for Overcoat, there's one definite Pokemon who makes Whimsicott cringe, and that's Escavalier. Being immune to Powders, Toxic, etc., along with its great typing, great bulk and high attack, mean that Whimsicott knows to GTFO anytime it's around.

As for Electric types in RU that can force Whimsicott out, Eelektross and Electivire top the list, due to usually carrying a fire attack, and their respectable coverage can allow them to catch switch-ins off guard when Whimsicott tries to U-Turn out. Heliolisk can switch in decently but without HP Ice or HP Fire it can't do much in return.

Grass types include the aforementioned Amoongus, and Abomasnow as well. Of course there's always Rotom-C, although neither of its STABs do much to Whimsicott, so it's not always reliable depending on its movepool. Tangrowth is able to absorb status Stun Spore, and is bulky enough not to care about U-Turn, but aside from Knocking Off its item, it needs to carry Sludge Bomb to do anything to Whimsicott.

Really, most of these Pokemon function as status absorbers, since Whimsicott tends to just throw out a status/taunt/encore/whatever and then switch out. For this reason, entry hazards also make a decent answer to Whimsicott. It may not have a glaring stealth rock weakness or anything (given it's neutral to rock), but given it rarely stays in for more than two turns, and tends to switch in and out a lot, Stealth Rock and Spikes tend to add up and help limit the number of times it can switch in.
 
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Infiltrator/Prankster w/ Life Orb/Leftovers
Timid w/ 252 Speed, 252 Sp Attack, 6 Defense
Giga Drain/Energy Ball
Shadow Ball/Whirlwind/Hidden Power [Rock]/Leech Seed
Psychic
Leech Seed/Moonblast/Hidden Power [Rock]/Substitute

Countering
Pokémon with Fire/Poison/Flying/Steel-type moves like Togekiss, Escavalier, or Flash Cannon Empoleon.
 
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