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Community POTW #042

Discussion in 'POTW Collaboration' started by Serebii, Sep 10, 2017.

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  1. Serebii

    Serebii And, as if by magic, the webmaster appeared... Staff Member Admin

    Time for the next Pokémon, and to celebrate the upcoming release of Pokémon Gold & Silver on the Virtual Console, this week it is one of the cover legends, since the other was done with the movie.


    It's Lugia!


    Go nuts
  2. Mestorn

    Mestorn Wandering Battler

    Lugia, star of the second movie, title legend for Silver, XD and SoulSiver, star of its own Anime Special (baby Lugia SQUEEEE), Lugia has received significant attentions as one of the signature legends of the second generation, but does it live up to the hype? OH YES. As subtly shown in the second move, going up against all 3 legendary birds (two of which had a type advantage!), Defense is the name of Lugia's game. Lugia redefined what it was to be bulky when it first came out, and did so again when it got multiscale. For Ubers, Lugia is one of the end all walls, that all others will inevitably found themselves compared to.

    Calming Godwall
    Item: Leftovers
    Ability: Multiscale
    -Ice Beam
    -Calm Mind
    Nature: Bold (+DEF, -ATK)
    EVs: 252 HP/252 DEF/4 SDEF

    Simple Set: Bulk up your defenses as much as possible on your weaker DEF, use Calm Mind to bulk up your incredible SDEF, and give you passable SATK, Toxic to deal with most bulky threats, and Ice Beam (Lugia has no good Flying STAB outside of Aeroblast which has too few PP for defensive battles with the Pressure laden Ubers Tier and there are too many Psychic, Dark and Steel types to make its Psychic STAB tenable) to avoid becoming Taunt Bait. Roost is for longevity and renewing Multiscale which makes Lugia into a wall upon which nearly all attacks break, as well as removing several common weaknesses.

    Weaknesses of this set: Steel types are immune to Toxic and resist Ice Beam, requiring several Calm Minds to muscle through. Taunt is problematic especially if you don't have any Calm Minds up to give Ice Beam some punch and prevents you from using Roost and renewing Multiscale. Toxic is a huge problem, putting Lugia on a timer, breaking Multiscale (unless Lugia is faster than its opponent and can Roost before being hit).

    Other Options
    Light Screen/Reflect/Safeguard -Screens make Lugia even bulkier and Safeguard protects it against Toxic, but using all 3 at once is not recommended as you either loose out on recovery, or a damage source.
    Whirlwind -Phazing is necessary to prevent setup sweepers from breaking Lugia (and your team) after too many boosts.
    Substitute -Another staple, protects Lugia from damage and status, with Infiltrators nonexistent in Ubers and any Sound Based moves bouncing off of Lugia's massive SDEF
  3. Gardellade

    Gardellade Member

    The Great Wall
    Bold 252 HP/160 Defense/96 Speed
    -Ice Beam

    Lugia is one of the best walls in the entire game, and its defensive prowess are futher boosted by Multiscale. This is a standard toxic stall set, with whirlwind there to force out any boosted threats such as Ekiller Arceus and Geomancy Xerneas. 96 speed is used to outspeed max speed neutral natured base 90's, of which there are plenty in Ubers. The rest is thrown into HP and defense to further increase Lugia's longevity.

    Other Options:
    Aeroblast gets the KO on things such as Mega Mewtwo X and Blaziken but is not as useful outside of that
    Psychic threatens Mega Gengar, which otherwise threatens you, but otherwise doesn't hit much
    Dragon Tail can be used over whirlwind to get some chip damage when you force your opponent out but then you lose the ability to force out Xerneas

    Team Ideas:
    HAZARD REMOVAL. Hazard removal is so important for any team featuring Lugia to have because rocks will break multiscale and make it more difficult for Lugia to check boosted threats. Partners such as Defog Arceus forms and Defog Giratina are a necessity on teams with Lugia.
    Hazard Setters: Hazard setters are amazing partners for Lugia because of how easily it can force opponents out. Spikes setters such as Ferrothorn and Skarmory are especially useful because of how much damage three layers of spikes deals to Pokemon coming in.
    Clerics and Status Absorbers: If Lugia gets statused, it will have an even more difficult time keeping up with threats becacuse with poison and burn, multiscale will break too quickly and with paralysis, threats will outspeed and have an easier time KO'ing Lugia. Pokemon running heal bell or aromatherapy are always helpful. Likewise, magic bounce/guard pokemon are appreciated.

    Checks and Counters:
    Taunt Users, specifically Mega Gengar. Lugia has no offensive presence, bar Specs sets but who runs those? Mega Gengar can trap, taunt and proceed to KO Lugia with strong STAB moves.
    Steel Types: Steel types can't get poisoned and don't take much from any of Lugia's attacks.
    Dark and Ghost Types: Strong Dark and Ghost types, such as Yveltal and Lunala really threaten Lugia, but hate being poisoned.
  4. Sceptile Leaf Blade

    Sceptile Leaf Blade Nighttime Guardian

    Kyurem fusions are also troublesome for Lugia as they ignore Multiscale. Modest Kyurem-White can OHKO with Choice Specs Ice Beam for instance. Kyurem-Black OHKOs with Subzero Slammer based on Freeze Shock too. Zekrom can also hit it really hard with Bolt Strike which KOs with a Life Orb, and also ignores Multiscale. Choice Specs Lunala also has a chance of a OHKO with Moongeist Beam which ignores Multiscale.
  5. generic villager #5

    generic villager #5 Your ad here!

    Reminder that Aegislash can ruin any Lugia's day if it isn't running Substitute. Aegislash can't really break Lugia's defenses but without a substitute up it will definitely Toxic either your Lugia or whatever 'mon you are forced to switch to.

    If you can get up a substitute, do so and switch to an offensive check to Aegislash such as Origin Forme Giratina. If not, you'll want to have a more complete check to Aegislash on your team; both Complete Forme Zygarde and Mega Sableye are great partners for Lugia and can fulfill this role.
  6. Lord Fighting

    Lord Fighting Bank Ball Collector

    Lugia @leftovers
    252/252 Sp.def HP 4 def
    -Toxic/Calm mind

    Lugia is a premium wall in the tier and as such its main purpose is to wall and stop any set up sweepers from getting their boosts. Thus whirlwind is its most important move as otherwise its very easy to set up a geomancy or a swords dance on it and do heavy damage. Roost helps you stay alive and keep multiscale whilst you rack up toxic damage. Aeroblast is prefered over psychic because of the dark types like darkrai and yveltal. Neutral damage on most things in the tier and hits blaziken hard as a nice bonus.
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