Yeah, with power 80 it might 3HKO a heatran instead of barely 4HKOing when it had power 60.
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Yeah, with power 80 it might 3HKO a heatran instead of barely 4HKOing when it had power 60.
ampfire101
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Countering Sylveon
Your ABSOLUTE best bet here is to use Crobat. That's right, Crobat. The Brave-Bird-user-who-doesn't-look-like-a-bird-at-all is actually very useful in dealing with Sylveon. Why? Sylveon will most likely go last, so Crobat has the upper hand there. It has poor defenses, so Crobat wins there too. Type advantages? Crobat's Cross Poison can leave a real dent in the Fairy. Dual Screens and Substitute? Crobat has Infiltrator to bypass all of that. Crobat on the other hand can go with Super Fang and then finish with Cross Poison, and has really ignores everything defensive Sylveon has, and in the case of offensive Sylveon, Crobat can deal more damage as the Sp. Atk need is dire, and Crobat has the bulk to tank a Psyshock, especially since it doesn't have STAB. Seviper does the exact same thing, except it uses Coil to boost Attack and Defense to be able to eat a Psyshock on the first turn, and then retaliate with Poison Jab. Mega Mawile is also a solid answer, as a Huge Power STAB Iron Head has a high chance of KOing Sylveon, and can still rip out a large amount if Sylveon has Reflect or Curse. Mega Metagross also crushes Sylveon with powerful STAB Tough Claws Meteor Mash attacks, and can generally seal the KO. For the most part, Talonflame fears nothing from Sylveon and can take it down with repeated Brave Bird and Acrobatics attacks. Aggron can hold its own with Heavy Slam, leaving Sylveon crushed (literally), and though Aggron has mediocre Sp. Def, it doesn't fear too much from the fairy's awful movepool besides like a critical-hit Shadow Ball or HP Fighting boosted by Choice Specs... yeah don't expect to see that on a Sylveon (Aggron survives with Sturdy anyway). Evolite Chansey doesn't fear anything from Sylveon besides Psyshock, and its Seismic Toss attacks ignore the dual screens. Really, anything that can get a super effective or crazy powerful physical offensive hit on Sylveon, it should go down with ease. If not, expect to face one tough Pokémon in battle.
Your ABSOLUTE best bet here is to use Crobat. That's right, Crobat. The Brave-Bird-user-who-doesn't-look-like-a-bird-at-all is actually very useful in dealing with Sylveon. Why? Sylveon will most likely go last, so Crobat has the upper hand there. It has poor defenses, so Crobat wins there too. Type advantages? Crobat's Cross Poison can leave a real dent in the Fairy. Dual Screens and Substitute? Crobat has Infiltrator to bypass all of that. Crobat on the other hand can go with Super Fang and then finish with Cross Poison, and has really ignores everything defensive Sylveon has, and in the case of offensive Sylveon, Crobat can deal more damage as the Sp. Atk need is dire, and Crobat has the bulk to tank a Psyshock, especially since it doesn't have STAB. Seviper does the exact same thing, except it uses Coil to boost Attack and Defense to be able to eat a Psyshock on the first turn, and then retaliate with Poison Jab. Mega Mawile is also a solid answer, as a Huge Power STAB Iron Head has a high chance of KOing Sylveon, and can still rip out a large amount if Sylveon has Reflect or Curse. Mega Metagross also crushes Sylveon with powerful STAB Tough Claws Meteor Mash attacks, and can generally seal the KO. For the most part, Talonflame fears nothing from Sylveon and can take it down with repeated Brave Bird and Acrobatics attacks. Aggron can hold its own with Heavy Slam, leaving Sylveon crushed (literally), and though Aggron has mediocre Sp. Def, it doesn't fear too much from the fairy's awful movepool besides like a critical-hit Shadow Ball or HP Fighting boosted by Choice Specs... yeah don't expect to see that on a Sylveon (Aggron survives with Sturdy anyway). Evolite Chansey doesn't fear anything from Sylveon besides Psyshock, and its Seismic Toss attacks ignore the dual screens. Really, anything that can get a super effective or crazy powerful physical offensive hit on Sylveon, it should go down with ease. If not, expect to face one tough Pokémon in battle.
Crobat is unviable in OU, and can't counter anyway because Specs Hyper Voice is a guaranteed 2HKO after Rocks while Psyshock is a guaranteed OHKO after Rocks. You also need a Choice Band to OHKO it, and being locked into Poison is very bad. Steel-types like Heatran are your best bet.
The thing is, people dont try to take Sylveon down with Special moves but with physical moves. Poison and Steel are mostly performed physical aswell, so that leaves AV kinda useless on it but however, the AV set could be worthy against Sludge Bomb users so you can win against it in a duel with Psyhock ( In duel against Gengar it might be nice )
252 SpA Gengar Sludge Wave vs. 244 HP / 0 SpD Assault Vest Sylveon: 168-198 (42.8 - 50.5%) -- 1.2% chance to 2HKO
(168, 168, 170, 174, 174, 176, 180, 180, 182, 186, 186, 188, 192, 192, 194, 198)
If it gets poisond however its a sure 2hitko otherwise it might be a 3hitko, oh and gengar with Life orb makes 2hitko for sure
so it is really worth it? Sylveon without AV gets 2hitko'd by Gengar anyway.
I would say AV is more gimmicky because against special attackers it comes in handy but since the majority of time people will focus on Sylveon is average defence
perhaps leftovers or sitrus berry is better.
Pretty unviable, Sylveon needs to be able to heal itself or hit hard it's not really meant to be tanking hits.
Alita54
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AV isn't the best thing to run on sylveon since it is situational but in the situations where it is useful it can be extremely good. Many pokes out there have to or are far more likely run special sets since their physical attack is either much lower or really bad. And with base 95 HP on top of base 130 special defense AND a assault vest even super effective special moves likely aren't gonna do much.
Specialbeamcanon
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Why is Sylveon even compared to mega Gardevoir anyway when the latter takes up a mega slot which prevents you from using other megas? Sylveon is more splashable in teams than Gardevoir is as using Sylveon opens free slots to use any mega of your choosing. Outside of being the strong Pixilate Hyper Voice spammers there isn't really any competition between the two as teams would need to be built differently when using one of them.
Because their both fairy types, and with the same ability. I don't think it's more usable than M-Garde is either.
...and as we all know, two pokemon of the same typing with the same ability should always be treated similarly (hence why I run choice band heatran and choice band flareon on my team).
On a more serious note, is a Prevo corner an option on this one? Despite being pretty "meh", eevee can deal a surprising amount of damage with adaptability double edge (especially with a choice band). It may have no way to hit steels outside of dig and no way to hit the levitating ghosts outside of bite/iron tail, but that one move alone could warrant at least one set.
On a more serious note, is a Prevo corner an option on this one? Despite being pretty "meh", eevee can deal a surprising amount of damage with adaptability double edge (especially with a choice band). It may have no way to hit steels outside of dig and no way to hit the levitating ghosts outside of bite/iron tail, but that one move alone could warrant at least one set.
KillerDraco
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It's really not very viable in LC at all. It's unranked as far as viability is concerned, and it's not only outclassed by Bunnelby but also Buneary and Zigzagoon as well. Plus, the tier is just genuinely unfriendly towards Eevee, with things like Pawniard and Mienfoo ruling the tier. Adaptability is okay, but Bunnelby's Huge Power puts it at 28 attack, which is absurd in the LC, and its movepool is infinitely better with things like Earthquake and U-Turn. Eevee's Band set may hit decently hard thanks to Adaptability Return and Quick Attack, but in comparison, Buneary's Band set reaches 19 speed, packs Drain Punch to destroy Pawniard, and can Switcheroo the Band to royally screw over some defensive Pokemon. Eevee's just kind of a rubbish Pokemon in LC, and you can usually find something else that does its job better.
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They don't give analyses to unviable Pokemon, so I guess it's either outdated or it's just viable enough to warrant one. Regardless, if it's bad in LC it's more than likely worthless in the other tiers and a pre-evo corner probably isn't necessary here.
For Eevee just give it fake out or protect + last resort with a silk scarf for LC, it's overall a non viable pokemon (Azurill and Bunny are way better)
I mean Mye, those two things are different and it's a poor comparsion since Flareon isn't viable and if you were going to use it it runs Guts. Sylveon faces plenty of things for a spot on a team, if it's not Garde you can run clef both are better options overall if you want more of a special attacker/set up sweeper or a cleric.
I mean Mye, those two things are different and it's a poor comparsion since Flareon isn't viable and if you were going to use it it runs Guts. Sylveon faces plenty of things for a spot on a team, if it's not Garde you can run clef both are better options overall if you want more of a special attacker/set up sweeper or a cleric.
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Specialbeamcanon
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Thats only in singles. In doubles its much more splashable due to not taking up a megaslot reserved for popular megas like Salamence and Kangaskan. It also has a stronger Hyper Voice to spam thanks to being able to hold items and carries a Sucker Punch resistance and more physical bulk due to 95 HP which Gardevoir lacks.
The main discussion is in singles, in doubles it's a superior option over Gardevoir no one is debating that
Even in singles Gardevoir either takes up the mega slot or loses out on tons of offensive and specially-defensive power from the loss of Pixilate and stats. If a player has built a team around another mega then Sylveon can be an alternative wall. For example Sylveon's ability to wall draco meteor and dark pulse and then set up wish or heal bell really supports Mega Latios.
Should you wish to run two pokemon who are walled by steels, then sure. I actually think that Sylveon pairs pretty well with magnezone, as mags can pick off steels that haunt sylveon whereas peevee (pink eeveelution) can rid the field of things like dragonite. Ferrothorn is also a fun pairing as well (assuming ferro is still OU), as if it packs t'wave or leech seed it can help sylveon set up calm minds while wish works extremely well due to ferro's lack of decent recovery.
The best partners for Mega Latios/Latias are fighting types that can check Bisharp/Tar. Mega Gardevoir is better overall, and if you want to run a fairy to keep your mega slot then you're better off running Clefable. The only thing Sylveon is better at is if you really need to run a special wall to pair with like Mega Aggron. Clefable takes DM and Dark Pulse and can pass wishes, heal bells and can set up Stealth Rock.
Clefable pairs better with those though, why run calm mind syl when calm mind clefable outclasses it totally, Magic Guard/Unaware > Pixalite.
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