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Community POTW #10

Discussion in 'POTW Collaboration' started by Serebii, Mar 6, 2011.

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  1. Serebii

    Serebii And, as if by magic, the webmaster appeared... Staff Member Admin

  2. ShadowMarauder

    ShadowMarauder Dark Pokémon Master

    Coool! Samurott, Water starters have always been my favorite since the 2 gen. (Hated Blastoise, but loved Charizard.). So Samurott is not the exception. Really like all of his features but ummm I still have to get used to those whiskers/moustache.

    His second ability Shell Armor is good, but compared to torrent, they are both okay. Nice movepool, its not great but nice :)
     
  3. Lucario At Service

    Lucario At Service Calm Trainer

    Here is my attempt on it,

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    Samurott
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    Basic Special Set

    Ability: Torrent

    Nature: Modest/Timid

    - Surf
    - Air Slash
    - Grass Knot
    - Ice Beam

    A basic special set. Since it doesn't have a S.Atk boosting move, this isn't as powerful as the physical set.

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    Basic Physical Set

    Ability: Torrent

    Nature: Adamant/Jolly

    - Swords Dance
    - Waterfall/Razor Sell
    - X-scissor/Night Slash/Revenge
    - Dragon Tail

    A basic physical set.

    "Waterfall" has more power & accuracy than "Razor Sell" (5 BP & 5 Acc more), but "Razor Sell" has the chance of lowering the opponents Defense stat by one stage.

    The choice between "X-scissor" (counters "Dark", "Grass" & "Psychic"), "Night Slash" (counters "Ghost" & "Psychic") & "Revenge" (counters "Normal", "Ice", "Rock", "Dark" & "Steel" and also has a cance of having its BP increased if the opponent attacks first) depends on the user.

    "Dragon Tail" is for force-switching dangerous opponents.

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    Mixed Set

    Ability: Shell Armor

    Nature: Brave/Quiet

    - Surf
    - Grass Knot
    - Revenge
    - Dragon Tail/X-scissor/Night Slash

    Since "Samurott" is going to be slow in this set, "Shell Armor" is used instead of "Torrent" so as to give it some minor protection.
    "Revenge" is the main form of attacking move in this set because most of its opponents are going to be faster than it.

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    Double Battle Set [paired with a "Grass Oath" user]

    Ability: Torrent/Shell Armor

    Nature: Adamant/Jolly

    - Water Oath
    - Swords Dance
    - Razor Sell
    - X-scissor

    This set is to take advantage of opponents getting slower because of the combo of "Water Oath" & "Grass Oath".

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    Double Battle Set [paired with a "Fire Oath" user]

    Ability: Torrent/Shell Armor

    Nature: Modest/Timid

    - Water Oath
    - Scald/Ice Beam
    - Air Slash
    - Toxic/Encore

    This set is to take advantage of the boost the 'secondary effects' gets because of the combo of "Fire Oath" & "Water Oath".

    "Toxic" is for side damaging the opponent while "Encore" is annoy the opponent (along with "Air Slash").

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    Other Options:

    - "Brine" is a good move if you are able to take the opponents HP at about half point.
    - "Trump Card" is sort of a good move but it isn't useful initially.
    - "Megahorn" can be used instead of "X-scissor" but the lack of accuracy can cause trouble.
    - "Aerial Ace" is a physical option for a flying type attack which can be useful.
    - "Assurance" is good when used along with "Toxic".
    - "Aqua Tail" is a more powerful version of "Waterfall" & "Razor Shell" but the loss of accuracy is a problem.
    - "Aqua Jet" is the priority move which it can use to take out weak opponents.
     
    Last edited: Mar 6, 2011
  4. ultimatedarkrai

    ultimatedarkrai Forbidden Empire!

    Samurott@life orb
    EV's:252 atk 252 speed 4 hp
    swords dance
    aqua jet
    aqua tail/waterfall/dive
    slash/retaliate

    Yea samurotts attack is lower than its special but it is hardly any lower, so a swords dance set is perfectly viable. Swords dance is swords dance. Aqua jet is a stab priority move that can become really powerful after swords dance. Aqua tail is stronger but has less accurucy compared to waterfall and dive is in the same area as waterfall but all of them are pretty powerful after swords dance. Slash and retaliate are to make the water-normal attacking combo
     
  5. knuckles1299

    knuckles1299 F*** yeah Seaking

    Daikenki @ leftovers
    Nature: Quiet
    Ability: Shell Armour/Torrent (it's up to preference)
    EV's: 255 HP/170 Atk/88 SpA
    - Waterfall
    - Night Slash/Megahorn
    - Boil Over/Air Slash/Grass Knot
    - Ice beam

    This mixed set is quite effective because he has a great movepool and good defenses so he's hard to kill and has great coverage.Only threats are physical and special walls, because while he can support a mixed movepool, he cannot overcome a special d beast such as Tyranitar in the sand, or deoxys-d. Not suited for ubers.
     
  6. Physical Sweeper
    Aqua Jet
    X-Scissor
    Swords Dance
    Night Slash/Aerial Ace
    The set is more designed to go in and then do some quick damage. Aqua Jet is obviously there just to take out some fast enemies, X-Scissor provides a strong move, and when paired with Swords Dance, a great potential sweeping move. Night Slash is there as a reliable dark move, but Aerial Ace can't miss, so it's really a matter of personal preference.
     
  7. Torrent is useful? o_O
    Daikenki @ Focus Sash
    Nature:Adamant
    Ability:Torrent
    EVs:252HP/252Atk/4Def
    -Aqua Jet
    -Megahorn
    -Swords Dance
    -Dragon Tail

    Strangely this set works wonders for me.+2 Torrent Aqua Jet can realy do a hole to your opponents team.Megahorn is for Bulky Grass and Psychic Types and Dragon Tail for phazing opponents with high boosts
     
  8. TheAwesomeOne

    TheAwesomeOne Well-Known Member

    Everyone keeps saying how a rubbish move Dragon Tail is, but why is it posted as a move in every POTW (For Poké's that learn it)?
     
  9. Aerodact

    Aerodact Member

    Samurott @ Life Orb / Muscle Band
    Ability: Torrent
    Nature: Adamant
    - Swords Dance
    - Aqua Jet
    - Revenge
    - Megahorn
    EVs: 252 Atk / 252 HP / 4 Def

    Simple enough – Swords Dance once or twice and then use your variant moves to sweep down your opponents. Revenge and Megahorn do little by themselves as Samurott is slow, but they cover some of Samurott’s weaknesses and Aqua Jet makes up for it. Out of Muscle Band and Life Orb, it is pretty much down to personal preference but Life Orb’s constant battering at your HP could activate Torrent to make this pokemon a pretty big threat!
    As for EVs, max in attack of course whilst giving a lot for HP as most of its moves require it to be slow which may prove a problem.

    Samurott @ Choice Scarf
    Ability: Torrent
    Nature: Modest
    - Surf
    - Ice Beam
    - Air Slash
    - Hidden Power (Ground)
    EVs: 252 SAtk / 252 Spd / 4 HP

    With Choice Scarf, he can reach a maximum of 358 speed which puts him way faster than most opponents he’ll be facing. With this speed and his maximum SAtk that can be gained, he can be quite a threat. Surf acts as a reliable and powerful stab move whilst Ice Beam and Air Slash cover up all aspects of Grass types as well as Hidden Power (Ground) removing electric types. It is perhaps worth noting that a Jolteon with modest nature can still outrun a Scarfed Samurott.
    EVs are plain and simple.

    Samurott @ Leftovers
    Ability: Shell Armour
    Nature: Sassy
    - Encore
    - Boiling Water
    - Dragon Tail
    - Protect
    EVs: 252 Def / 252 SDef

    Now Samurott isn’t the most defensive pokemon in the world, and it doesn’t have the most brilliant of move-pools to do its duty here, but I thought it was worth a mention to try it out. Encore could result in your opponent being stuck for three to seven turns, using a silly move or result in switching which allows Samurott to try and burn the opponent with Boiling Water or act as a Hazer by using Dragon Tail. Protect is there to fill up the move slot and gain an additional bit of health from another turn’s leftovers.

    I did all that a while ago, so sorry if there are any mistakes!
     
  10. The Joker.

    The Joker. Gone.

    Aww I'm late, I usually like to be one of the first to post but still.
    Samurott Sword
    Torrent
    Leftovers
    Adamant
    252Atk/252spe/6hp
    -swords dance
    -waterfall
    -megahorn
    -night slash
     
  11. TheAwesomeOne

    TheAwesomeOne Well-Known Member

    Special Unicorn Thing@Life Orb/Expert Belt/Wise Glasses
    252 Sp.A, 252 Spe, 4 HP
    Modest/Timid
    Torrent
    -Hydro Pump/Surf
    -Air Slash
    -Grass Knot/Hidden Power Ground
    -Ice Beam/Blizzard
    Hydro Pump is if you want Power over Accuracy, But Surf is much better. Air Slash is to take out the ever so common Grass types. Hidden Power Ground is to take out Electric Types, and Grass Knot is for extra coverage. Ice Beam and Blizzard is the same as Surf and Hydro Pump.
     
  12. Rhys29

    Rhys29 Encore

    Samurott looks like a bad Feraligatr. Slower, not as bulky, and weaker. It does have a decent movepool though. Too bad Empoleon walls it to hell unless it carries the useless Revenge or it has to rely on Hidden Power. A few sets.

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    ~Swords Dance~
    Samurott@Life Orb
    Adamant/Jolly, Torrent
    4 HP / 252 Attack / 252 Speed
    - Swords Dance
    - Megahorn
    - Aqua Jet
    - Return / Night Slash

    Probably the best thing Samurott can do is Swords Dance up and abuse Aqua Jet. The one advantage Samurott has over Feraligtr is Megahorn. Megahorn is a huge Bug-type attack that tears through common opponents Samurott will face such as Celebi, Shaymin, Starmie, and Slowbro. The nature is really up to the user though I'd suggest Adamant just so it can deal some more damage. Return is the hardest hitting option Samurott has but Night Slash will deal with Jellicent. Though they do supply similar coverage, never substitute Megahorn for Night Slash.

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    ~Torrent Abuse~
    Samurott@Salac Berry
    Jolly, Torrent
    4 HP / 252 Attack / 252 Speed
    - Swords Dance
    - Substitute
    - Aqua Jet / Waterfall
    - Megahorn

    Though not the most dangerous set, since most of Samurotts counters easily outrun base 70, it tends to give one an edge when dealing with its beatable counters. Starmie, Shaymin, and Celebi easily outrun Samurott though this is remedied with the Salac Berry boost. The strategy is pretty much the same as all pinch-activated strategies: use Substitute to force HP drops, while using Swords Dance, to the point where Torrent and the Salac Berry activate and attempt a sweep. Aqua Jet supplies priority but Waterfall hits twice as hard so it depends on how weakened you plan the opponents' team to be when you attempt the sweep. Megahorn decimates the faster of Samurott's counters.

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    ~Double Status Tank~
    Samurott@Leftovers
    Bold, Shell Armor
    252 HP / 176 Defense / 80 Special Attack
    - Toxic
    - Scald
    - Taunt / Ice Beam
    - Grass Knot / Ice Beam

    Shell Armor is quite a useful defensive ability, making it so you never have to worry about the occasional critical hit that ruins your team. Samurott also decent physical bulkiness and coupled with Scald can prove to be a useful tank. With these two status effects, few opponents can switch in without worry (ex: Tentacruel). Taunt can be useful to set up or break down walls that will switch in to absorb the status and works well at bringing down Vaporeon and Jellicent while preventing Tentacruel or Ice Beam Empoleon from setting up. If Taunt is selected, a slight redistribution of EVs of 12 HP to Speed will alow Samurott to outrun most forms of Skarmory and prevent setting up. Grass Knot deals with the Water-types that Samurott has issues with like Starmie. Ice Beam can be used in either of the last two slots as a precaution to Dragon and Grass-types.

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    ~A Lackluster Wallbreaker~
    Samurott@Leftovers
    Rash, Shell Armor/Torrent
    20 HP / 220 Attack / 252 Special Attack / 12 Speed
    - Taunt
    - Hydro Pump / Surf
    - Megahorn
    - Grass Knot / Ice Beam

    With decent offenses and Taunt, Samurott can pose a threat to several walls. This set is to utilize a mix set while Taunting everything that switches in (within reason of course). The 20 HP provides extra recovery from Leftovers and 12 Speed makes sure to outrun 8 Speed Skarmory. Hydro Pump is prefered for the huge fire power but Surf is for a more reliable STAB. Megahorn tears up a lot of foes, little more needs to be said. Grass Knot helps deal with bulky Water-types while Ice Beam hits Dragon-types harder. If you go for Grass Knot you lose coverage against Dragonite and the like while Ice Beam makes it much easier for Empoleon and Tentacruel to switch in. Hidden Powers like Fire (Ferrothorn) and Electric (Empoleon) can be useful as well.

    Counters:

    - Tentacruel and Empoleon are incredibly difficult for Samurott to take down. Both can be hit hard with Hidden Power [Electric] but Samurott is so easily outclassed in terms of special sweepers its hard to make room for something like that in a set. Even with HP-Electric Samurott will have a difficult time taking down both counters.
    - Bulky Water-types, specifically Vaporeon, Rotom-W, Gyarados, Suicune, and Jellicent, will give Samurott a run for its money. All have a way to deal good damage and can switch into most of Samurotts attacks. Rotom-W doesn't enjoy Megahorn and Jellicent and Vaporeon should try to avoid Toxic from bulky sets.
    - Dragonite, Poliwrath, and Alteria resists both Water and Bug-type and thus can make a handy check. Since Samurott doesn't hit too hard with anything other than STAB attacks and Megahorn, all three should be a decent answer.
    - Forretress, Skarmory, Registeel, Ferrothorn, and Metagross can all take hits quite well. Though Forretress' best option is to set entry hazards, the others can force Samurott out via offense or defense such as Whirlwind or Power Whip.​
     
    Last edited: Mar 7, 2011
  13. FrozenSteel

    FrozenSteel New Member

    Mixed Sweeper
    Samurott@ Life Orb
    Nature:Naive
    Surf
    Waterfall/Aqua Jet
    Megahorn
    Grass Knot

    Surf acts as special STAB while Waterfall is for physical STAB. Agua Jet can be used instead if you need priority. Megahorn is for grass types as well as light water types that don't fear Grass Knot. Naive is used to preserve its better defensive stat.
     
  14. Snipehsheep

    Snipehsheep Scottish American

    Samurai Swords
    Samurott@????
    Ability: Torrent
    EV:252 Speed, 252 Attack
    Nature: Adamant

    Moves:
    Swords Dance
    Megahorn
    Aquajet
    Waterfall

    Samurott has a great attack stat. STAB Waterfall has flinch chance, and STAB Aqua Jet makes up for Samurott's terrible speed. Megahorn allows you to hit Grass, Psychic, and Dark types hard.

    I could use some help with an item.
     
  15. Lucario At Service

    Lucario At Service Calm Trainer

    I don't find "Dragon Tail" useless because it is like "Roar" but with the added bonus of doing some damage as well.

    Even though it is a weak move, it can really hamper opponents set up quite easily.
     
  16. AweSome Tork

    AweSome Tork New Member

    The Samurai Weilds A Sword
    Pokemon:Samurott
    Ability: Torrent
    EVs:252 Attack,252 Speed, 4 HP
    Nature:Jolly/Adamant
    Moves:
    Swords Dance
    Megahorn/Night slash
    Waterfall/Aqua jet
    Dragon Tail/ Substitute
    Item: Life Orb/Choice Band/Choice Scarf/Leftovers

    Swords Dance boosts Samurott Attack to pretty high levels. Megahorn is there to take care of grass,dark,or psychic types. While Night Slash does have critical hit ratio Megahorn is stronger. Might Slash covers Ghost type if u want a hit on them but a stab waterfall does the about the same amount of damage. Now Waterfall is way stronger than Aqua Jet and gets flinch is your able to outspeed the competition( if your running jolly) but Aqua Jet is a nice way to finish off an oppnent. Final slot is choice,you could run Dragon Tail and prevent any one from puesdo hazard or take out threats plus a nice super effective hit on dragons since you don't have an ice move. Not the best move on Samurott but if you could pull it off substitute could allow you to safetly boost you attack.

    Item:Life Orb is nice but at the cost of some HP which Samurott needs. Choice Band and Choice Scarf you know the deal if you either want more power or more speed. Leftovers should only be used if your running Substitute to restore HP.
     
  17. garchompkid

    garchompkid Well-Known Member

    the only problem is the ability regenaration

    also partners:

    i would say a ground type pokemon as they cover electric(eg garchomp)


    (on a unrelated note: i am going to sugest garchomp as somthing in every pokemon of the week from now on!)
     
  18. jespoke

    jespoke Nintendo Stalker

    Its bad for sweeping because of the negative priority.
    If you don't take that into account when you read that you shouldn't use it, its easy to misunderstand i see.
     
  19. TheAwesomeOne

    TheAwesomeOne Well-Known Member

    Note: Surf>Scald,
    Although the Burn is useful sometimes.
     
  20. kaiser soze

    kaiser soze Reading ADWD

    if you combine it with stealth rock and/or spikes you could do some serious damage by forcing the other team to rotate repeatedly and get exposed if you can take the hits. choice band and STAB can make it a deadly strategy, especially if youre playing with less than 6 (say battle subway)
     
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