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Community POTW #121

Discussion in 'POTW Collaboration' started by Serebii, Apr 21, 2013.

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  1. Serebii

    Serebii And, as if by magic, the webmaster appeared... Staff Member Admin

    Time for the next PotW and this time we have a legend!

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    It's Latios, the Dragon/Psychic-type Pokémon that many trainers fear!

    http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-bw/381.shtml

    Be sure to think of both Soul Dew and non-Soul Dew sets!

    Go nuts
     
  2. Lucario Fan

    Lucario Fan Well-Known Member

    Ability: Levitate
    Item: Leftovers
    Moves: Psychic, Dragon Pulse, Thunderbolt, Psyshock
     
  3. AquaRegisteel

    AquaRegisteel Face Oblivion

    OOh, Latios? Ok.

    Latios @ Choice Specs
    {Levitate}
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk/ 252 Spe
    Timid Nature
    - Draco Meteor
    - Surf
    - Psyshock
    - HP Fire/Trick.

    Say hello to the real nuke that can destroy the earth. Draco Meteor hits so damn hard, 2HKOing some steel types after SR and Spikes. Surf is your ticket past heatran, and is a lovely thing to clean up lategame with. Psyshock can 2HKO Blissey and even Chansey after hazards. HP Fire nails Ferrothorn and Jirachi, who could beat you otherwise. Trick, however, lets you cripple blobs and Ferrothorn, but it could still setup hazards...
     
  4. Sceptile Leaf Blade

    Sceptile Leaf Blade Well-Known Member

    Is Soul Dew Latios still banned from OU actually?

    UberPlay Latios

    Latios @ Soul Dew
    Modest nature
    -Draco Meteor
    -Dragon Pulse
    -Psyshock
    -Thunder/HP Fire

    Latios hits like a nuke, especially with a Soul Dew backing it up. Draco Meteor is powerful and destroys pokémon like Reshiram and Rayquaza and is a powerful battering ram to weaken Giratina. Dragon Pulse is late game sweeping. Thunder is good in rain to hit Kyogre and stuff, and Psyshock is there to hit Chansey. Hidden Power Fire is Latios' best bet against Ferrothorn, especially with Groudon support. Modest is chosen as even with Modest you still outrun the majority of Ubers, like Jolly Rayquaza. Timid allows you to outrun neutrally natured Arceus and speed tie with other Lati twins but nothing else.
     
  5. SoulMuse

    SoulMuse Shadow of nothing

    Latios@Expert Belt/Life Orb
    Nature: Timid
    EVs: 252 Special Attack, 12 Attack, 244 Speed
    -Psyshock
    -Hidden Power Fire
    -Earthquake
    -Draco Meteor

    Mixed Latios is fun to use, mostly because, with a bit of good prediction, this set can easily deal with Heatran, and wear down Jirachi with Earthquake, while still spamming Draco Meteors left and right. Psyshock gets around the pink blobs, while Hidden Power Fire is for Steels not named Heatran. EVs allow you to outrun Terrakion and Keldeo, while still boosting attack slightly.
     
  6. SkyDriver

    SkyDriver Hiding in the grass

    Air Force 1
    Latios @ LumBerry/Life Orb
    Adamant/Jolly
    252Atk/252Spe/4Hp
    -Dragon Dance
    -Outrage/Dragon Dance
    -Earthquake
    -Ice Beam/Hidden Power Fire

    Physical Latios for dat surprise factor, with Stab and EQ coverage. Ice Beam for Gliscor/HP Fire for Steel Types.
     
  7. Amaretto

    Amaretto Active Member

    Eon Strike
    Ability: Levitate
    Nature: Modest
    EVs: 252 SAtk/SPD, 4 HP
    Item: Choice Scarf
    Moves: Draco Meteor, HP Fire/Surf, Psyshock, Trick/Thunderbolt

    Easy enough, Draco Meteor for the best STAB move, Surf and HP Fire for coverage against steel types, Psyshock to easily damage the blobs, Trick to mess a troll up and Thunderbolt for Gyarados, Flying types mostly..
     
  8. OceanicLanturn

    OceanicLanturn Non non non!

    Latios's Revenge
    Latios @ Choice Scarf
    Trait: Levitate
    EVs: 252 Spe / 252 SAtk / 4 HP
    Modest / Timid Nature
    - Trick
    - Psyshock / Psychic
    - Draco Meteor
    - HP [Fire] / Thunderbolt / Surf

    Scarf Latios makes a good revenge killer. Trick can be used to screw up walls like Ferro and Pink Blobs. Psyshock is used to hit fighting types and pink blobs again, but Psychic can be used if you want higher base power. Draco Meteor just blows stuff apart. And the last slot is on your choice. HP Fire breaks steels and Ferro, while Thunderbolt gets good coverage on Jellycent. Surf CN be used if you're particularly worried about Tran.

    Counters
    Scizor : If the opposing Latios doesn't carry HP Fire, its pretty much a Pursuit kill there. Beware of Trick
    Pink Blobs : Blissey can come in on a DM and force a switch, it's 'eh'. Personally, I feel that vs Latios Chansey does better, since it can take Psyshock more easily. However, both should beware trick.
    Tyranitar: Brings trouble to Latios if Latios is choice locked into Psyshock. Even if it isn't, Tyranitar still has the bulk from sandstorm to take Surf and bring Latios down with a Pursuit or Crunch.
    Bulky Water: Specially defensive ones are best. Gastrodon doesnt take much from Latios's moves. Nor does Jellucent. beware Psyshock and T-bolt for the latter though.
     
  9. Luthor

    Luthor Well-Known Member

    Physical moveset.

    lets's be honest here latios is better at spec sets. the only reason to use this is purely as an act of surprise

    item-life orb
    Dragon Dance
    Outrage/dragon claw
    waterfall/zen headbutt/substitute
    earthquake

    i suppose you could also use this
    item choice band
    outrage
    earthquake
    waterfall
    zen headbutt.

    i wouldn't recommend either unless for pure fun.
     
  10. morningsun

    morningsun Well-Known Member

    Calm Mind Sweeper

    Latios@Lum Berry/Life Orb
    Nature: Timid
    EVs: 4 HP/ 252 Atk/ 252 Spe
    Ability: Levitate
    Moves:
    Calm Mind
    Dragon Pulse
    Surf
    Roost

    This set is incredibly underrated. However, it can act as one of the deadliest sweepers in the game. With an already great 110 Spe, Latios already outspeeds a good portion of the unboosted meta. After a boost, it reaches Specs level power, and after 2 boosts, it becomes nearly unstoppable. The only things that can take him down at +2 are faster pokes who can hit it hard and super effectively with a physical move. Keep in mind that specially oriented moves won't be doing much damage either. Dragon Pulse provides a nice, consistent STAB. Surf gives it almost perfect neutral coverage, only missing out on Ferrothorn and Empoleon. Roost is to heal off damage and can be very helpful when running a LO. I, personally, prefer Lum Berry for its utility and ability to give Latios an extra boost sometimes, but the choice between the two items should be purely opinionated.
     
  11. 2406Blackbird

    2406Blackbird CasualMediocre Gamer

    YAY more bad puns, this time for Latios!

    Iced Chocolatios

    Latios Amigos! (Adios amigos)
    ;381;
     
    Last edited: Apr 21, 2013
  12. Meowmeow

    Meowmeow selfproclaimed guru

    If I said Latios is powerful, I wouldn't be telling the full truth. Latios is a scary foe to face thanks to the fact that he is no longer in the Uber tier. In OU, Soul Dew is illegal. Honestly, who cares? Latios is still super-dangerous.
    Latios is not without problems. Without Hidden Power, Ferrothorn can switch in on Latios safely. Same goes for Scizor (sort of). Latios's Psychic typing is a big problem because it exposes him to Pursuit from the aforementioned Scizor and Tyranitar. However, don't let that keep you from using the male Eon Pokemon. Latios's Draco Meteor will rain destruction on everything.

    Specs/Scarf
    Nature: Timid/Modest
    EVs: 252 sp attack and speed, 4 hp
    @: Choice Scarf/Choice Specs

    Draco Meteor
    Surf
    Psyshock
    Thunderbolt/Hidden Power (Fire)

    Latios's bread and butter set. Keep your eyes open for it.

    Life Orb
    Nature: Timid/Modest
    EVs: 252 sp attack and speed, 4 hp
    @: Life Orb

    Draco Meteor
    Psyshock/Hidden Power (Fire)
    Surf
    Roost

    Latios's other bread and butter set.
     
  13. MatchMaster

    MatchMaster Member

    Overused
    Latios has been at the top of the game since its introduction, and still has great potential in it. Boasting an excellent special attack, great speed, and even good special defense, it is one of the best special attackers in the whole game. Its Draco Meteor is tied for the most powerful in OU with Kyurem, who has fallen mostly out of favor. Almost anything will take ~50% from it. To top it off, it's ability, levitate, gives it many free opportunities to switch in.

    So you might ask "Why isn't this thing banned?" The answer? Well, there is a few things that hold it back. The first is after it has nuked something with Draco Meteor, it is very easy to revenge kill. The second reason adds to the first, as both Tyranitar and Scizor are two of these Pokemon that revenge it, even OHKOing it if it switches out with Pursuit. The third and fourth reasons are that it has a fairly small movepool, forcing it to use Hidden Power Fire or Surf to reliably hit any Steel-types, and its low defense stat leaves it vulnerable to powerful physical attacks, particularly priority. While Latios has some shortcomings, when used correctly, it becomes a deadly sweeper that will cause havoc to almost any team.

    Choice
    Item: Choice Specs / Choice Scarf
    Nature: Timid
    EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
    - Draco Meteor
    - Psyshock
    - Hidden Power Fire / Trick
    - Surf / Trick

    The most common Latios in OU use Choice Specs or Scarf to serve different purposes. Choice Specs gives it immediate power, making Draco Meteor the terror that most players expect, while Choice Scarf makes it a powerful revenge killer, distinguishing it from others by being able to outpace even +2 Cloyster. Psyshock hits special walls harder than its other moves, while Hidden Power Fire and Surf hit the steel-types that resist Draco Meteor and Psyshock. Trick can be used over either of them to cripple Ferrothorn, Chansey, or Blissey. If on a Rain team, Thunder could even be used in the third slot to hit Jellicent, Vaporeon, and Starmie without resorting to Draco Meteor.

    All-Out Offensive
    Item: Life Orb
    Nature: Timid
    EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
    - Draco Meteor
    - Psyshock
    - Hidden Power Fire / Surf / Thunder
    - Recover / Surf / Thunder

    This Latios takes on a more sweeping role, exchanging power or speed for the ability to switch moves. Due to this, having Thunder is a safer option, as being locked into it when your opponent changes the weather can put you in bad situations. Recover is the main option for the last slot to heel off damage from Life Orb and other damage it takes.

    Calm Mind
    Item: Leftovers / Life Orb
    Nature: Timid
    EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
    - Dragon Pulse
    - Psyshock / Hidden Power Fire
    - Calm Mind
    - Recover / Surf / Hidden Power Fire

    Latios' makes a great set-up sweeper thanks to its great speed and special attack. Using Calm Mind also prevents it from being revenge killed so easily with special hits. With Life Orb after a Calm Mind, Dragon Pulse has almost the same power as a Life Orb Draco Meteor, except this Latios has a bit more staying power, not having to switch out as often.

    Dual Screens
    Item: Light Clay
    Nature: Timid
    EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def/ 252 Spe
    - Draco Meteor / Dragon Pulse
    - Light Screen
    - Reflect
    - Memento

    Although at first it sounds a bit strange, Latios' great Speed, decent Special Defense, and access to Memento make it a great Dual Screen supporter for the team. Draco Meteor still hits fairly hard even with no investment, and Memento can allow a teammate to come in safely and set up.

    Teammates
    Latios generally likes teammate such as Scizor, Terrakion, and Keldeo, as if you predict correctly, you can switch Latios out as your opponent switches in Tyrantar or their own Scizor, and eliminate them with one of the mentioned teammates. (When taking on Scizor, only Keldeo can take it on.) Magnezone is another good partner that can trap and kill Scizor and other Steel-types that give Latios trouble. Gyarados (particulary with Intimidate) can take on priority users that Latios fears, such as Mamoswine, Scizor, and even Lucario to an extent. Politoad gives Latios Rain, which powers up Surf and gives Thunder perfect accuracy, so it is a valuable teammate.

    Other Options
    Latios can also run a mixed or even a completely special Dragon Dance set. This set allows the freedom to switch moves while being hard to revenge kill. Other than this, Latios has a fairly barren movepool. Hidden Power Fighting is its best option against Tyranitar, but it is still fairly weak against other targets.

    Checks & Counters
    With Mammoth Special Defense and immunity to Psyshock, Tyranitar is arguably the best Latios counter out there. Although it takes over 50% from a Life Orb Draco Meteor, Latios can't KO it after that, while Tyranitar can Pursuit it as it switches out. Tyranitar's partner in crime, Scizor, can do a similar job, even avoiding the OHKO from Hidden Power Fire after Draco Meteor's stat drops. Yet another pursuit user that threatens Latios after it has used Draco Meteor is Metagross. Specially Defensive Jirachi can paralyze and wear it down, making it a good check. Finally, faster Pokemon or priority users can revenge Latios. Notable example include Weavile, Mamoswine, and Choice Scarf Salamence.

    Uber
    With the return of the Soul Dew, Latios became much more popular, even to the point that Garchomp was forced down into OU. Soul Dew gives Latios the highest Special Attack in the game. Think of it like Choice Specs, except with the freedom to switch moves. It also give Latios a boast to its special defense, allowing it to survive some of the powerful special attacks in Ubers. Combine that with great speed, and you have an unmatched special sweeper on your hands. However, its physical defense is still quite low, especially for ubers, and its movepool is small, so it is not perfect. When played to its strengths though, it can show its monstrous attacking power to rival the titans that roam ubers.
     
  14. gaarasword

    gaarasword a pi trainer

    Over Top Calm Mind (yu-gi-oh 5d's reference)
    Item: Haban Berry/Life Orb
    EV's 252 sp. atk/ 6 hp/ 252 speed
    nature: Timid
    Moves:
    Draco Meteor: with calm mind and life orb you can help reduce the downside of meteor.
    Psyschock/Psychic: Psychic for pure power or Psyshock to hit Blissey hard.
    Calm Mind: raise your sp. atk and sp. defense so Latios can survive and hit a bit more.
    Surf/Hidden Power Fire 70/Thunderbolt: Surf can hit rock and ground types hard while hidden power fire 70 can take care of ice types and thunderbolt is to help against water types besides Swampert, Lanturn, Ludicolo, Seismitoad, and Quagsire.
    The items are up to you whether you want to survive a little bit or hit a bit harder.
     
  15. ChaosBlizzard

    ChaosBlizzard Crit Happens.

    Jetstream (i.e. my crappy Latios I've used since the start of gen 5)

    Latios @ Choice Scarf
    Timid
    252 Sp Atk / 252 Spd / 4 Def
    Draco Meteor
    Dragon Pulse
    Psyshock
    Surf
     
  16. Soperman

    Soperman The One and Only

    When people think of a special sweeper, Latios is the first pokemon to come to mind. Fantastic Speed and Special Attack, along with a great movepool and even the chance to sweep with Dragon Dance, paired with great typing and Levitate makes this pokemon one of the deadliest ever. That being said, he's mostly used Choiced, generally with the Choice Scarf, and just spams Draco Meteors to dent every pokemon in existence. Countering it is just a matter of Heatran or Ferrothorn; the super-jet can't really touch them.
     
  17. Kiyoshi

    Kiyoshi Veteran Trainer

    Heck, yes, Latios! I think this Dragon's been praised to death by now, but with good reason. Powerful Special Attack, good Speed, and a combination of two of the more powerful types in the game, what isn't there to like about him? Also, in my opinion Heroes was one of, if not the, best Pokemon movie ever made.


    sol solis dat vita , sol solis iuguolo (The sun gives live, the sun kills.)
    -Dragon Pulse/Draco Meteor
    -Psyshock
    -Thunder/bolt
    -Solarbeam
    Item: Soul Dew/Choice Specs/Choice Scarf/Life Orb
    Ability: Levitate
    EVs and Nature: 4HP/252Special Attack/252Speed
    Timid (+ Speed, - Attack)/Modest (+ Special Attack, - Attack)

    And let's hear it for a bit of Latin for the POTW! I'll say it right here and now once only, this moveset is bordering on gimmick and should only be used for the right reasons to be given shortly; if you want a more serious moveset, there's about a dozen already posted above me. Now that that's out of the way, time for the analysis. Dragon Pulse is for reliable STAB while Draco Meteor is a Gundam wielding a nuke launcher when used by Latios. I prefer Pulse myself, especially with the items (see item description for more). Psyshock is STAB that allows Latios to thrash certain Pokemon who'd consider themselves 'counters' or at least checks; Blissy being the first to come to mind, a vast plethora of Calm Mind users coming second. The last two moves are what are making this set borderline if not gimmick; Latios itself isn't particularly hurt or helped by Weather (unlike, for example, Venusaur) so it can be slapped onto a Sun or Rain team without much trouble. This moveset is designed to make Latios a formidable Sun team sweeper/protector. Thunder/bolt is what makes Latios a Sun team protector; you should be outrunning Politoad most of the time so one blast of lightning will take it down, allowing you to control the Weather for the rest of the game. The choice in attacks depends on how confident you are in keeping the rain away for the match; Thunder if you don't think you can get rid of the rain early, Thunderbolt if you think you can. It's also your best bet to damage Steel types. Solarbeam is for when the sun is out and you don't want to waste a Dragon Pulse/Draco Meteor on some lowly Water type. Except for something like Kabutops, your Dragon-typed Attack will usually be stronger, but why waste it on a lower priority target when you've got a Super Effective Base 120 power attack to use? Also helpful against any Ground or Rock types on opposing Sun teams who think to counter your source of Sun.
    For Items, Soul Dew gets first mention. 50% boost to your Special Attack and Special Defense with no drawbacks? Yes please! Well, okay, partial lie there; it's drawback is that it's illegal to use in OU, thus why the standard choice of items are presented; take your pick, you know what they do already. If you decide to use one of the Choice Items, Draco Meteor becomes more usable since you'll have to switch out anyways due to the Special Attack drop.
    EVs, self-explanitory, Natures same except I have to laugh at the thought of Latios needing a Timid nature when it clearly isn't a timid sort of Pokemon like I did for Mewtwo's entry.
    Levitate is the only Ability Latios gets but it's all Latios needs; you get all the key benefits of a Flying type (immunity to Ground attacks, Toxic Spikes, Arena Trap) without the drawbacks (weakness to Rock, including Stealth Rock).

    Partners: As I've said repeatedly, this moveset was designed to support a Sun team. In OU, Ninetales is less a partner and more a necessity. Remember, if you're using this Latios over any of the equally if not more feasible movesets above it's because you are running a Sun team. In Ubers, Groudon instead of Ninetales but the story is the same; you are using this set to protect your source of Sun and trying to abuse the Sun yourself.

    Other Options: Hidden Power (Fire) is exclusively for Steel types, and outside of Thunder/bolt, you don't have much else that'll do that job. Surf slays Heatran and gets a good hit on other Steel types since most don't resist Water...if you use it, drop Solarbeam and while you're at it stop building a Sun team. Energy Ball has a chance to lower the foe's Special Defense and hits Vaporeon and Manaphy harder than Grass Knot (which hits Groudon, Kyogre, and Tyranitar harder without any extra benefits) will; pick the Grass type attack that handles the threats you otherwise will have trouble with. Recover is a free 50% HP recovery (obviously don't use with Choice Scarf/Specs). Memento...I hate the idea of building up a cool Pokemon like Latios with the full intention of sacrificing it but if your other three attacks handle the coverage you need while your teammates can take care of everything else, run it; it'll make that Scizor or Tyranitar regret trying to counter you while giving you a chance to set up whatever you send in next (again, don't use with Choice Items; better with Life Orb than Soul Dew since you'll already be killing yourself with the recoil).
     
  18. MatchMaster

    MatchMaster Member

    Just so you know, Draco Meteor is still very counterproductive to Calm Mind, and Latios won't find many chance to boost other than right after it switches in.
     
  19. SmeargleRocks

    SmeargleRocks Reputable Trader

    Been waiting for this for awhile
    ;381;
    Physical Latios
    Adamant
    Expert Belt / Life Orb / Choice Band (whatever works I guess)
    EV's 252 attack, 252 speed, 4 sp.def / 4 HP
    Zen Headbutt
    Outrage
    Waterfall
    Earthquake / Shadow Claw

    Gimmick set
    Adamant / Jolly
    EV's 252 attack, 252 speed, 4 sp.def
    Life Orb / Expert Belt
    Roost / Waterfall
    Dragon Dance / Hone Claws
    Outrage / Dragon Claw
    Shadow Claw, Earthquake

    Mixed Latios
    Lonely / Hasty
    EV's 200 sp.atk, 56 attack ,252 speed
    Dragon Dance / Hone Claws / Calm Mind
    Dragon Pulse
    Earthquake
    HP Fire / Waterfall

    Casual Old Latios
    Timid
    EV's 240 sp.atk 12 Sp.def, 252 speed
    Life Orb / Expert Belt
    Dragon Pulse / Draco Meteor
    HP Fire
    Calm Mind
    Psyshock

    Special Wall
    Calm
    Leftovers
    EV's 252 HP, 240 Sp.def, 12 Sp.atk
    Calm Mind
    Substitute / Roar
    Roost
    Dragon Pulse

    Dragon Wall
    Bold
    EV's 252 HP, 252 Def, 4 Sp.def
    Calm Mind
    Dragon Pulse
    Roost
    Substitute / Hp Fire / Psyshock
     
  20. RVD_fan

    RVD_fan Well-Known Member

    As an Ubers player, Latios is a huge threat that every team should be prepared for. Personally, I like the all out attacking set, as I think CM as well as the more defensive sets are handled a bit better by Latias. Latios is at its best when it's playing hit and run with its immensely powerful Draco Meteor backed by coverage moves for most potential switch-ins. This and the fact that Latios can outspeed every other dragon in the tier (barring Arceus-Dragon) make it an excellent offensive pivot.

    -Draco Meteor
    -Thunder/Grass Knot
    -Surf/HP Fire
    -Roost/Psyshock/Dragon Pulse
    Item Attached: Soul Dew
    EVs and Nature:
    EVs: 252 Sp. Atk / 4 HP / 252 Spe
    Timid Nature (+Spe, -Atk)

    Choose between Thunder/Grass Knot and Surf/HP Fire based on what weather you're using. Latios works great on a Rain team as a check to opposing Kyogre (if you're using Latios as your primary Kyogre check, I'd recommend using Roost) as well as Groudon if you come in on the right move. On a neutral weather team, HP Fire is definitely preferable as otherwise Ferrothorn and Forretress can ruin your fun. The last move slot depends on what you want you need Latios to do for your team. Roost is best if you plan to use Latios frequently as a defense check. Psyshock has a lot of utility in Ubers for hitting Ho-oh and the Pink Blobs a lot harder, so if you're team struggles with them it's a good option. Otherwise, Dragon Pulse is a safe option to avoid having to switch out due to Draco Meteor's Sp. Atk drop.

    PS: For the counters section, defensive utility Arceus-Steel is something I've used for the purpose of stopping Latios with fairly consistent success. HP Fire in Sun stings but other than that it generally gets the job done with TWave and Ice Beam or just force it out with Roar/Perish Song.
     
    Last edited: Apr 21, 2013
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