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Community POTW #152

Discussion in 'POTW Collaboration' started by Serebii, Oct 13, 2019.

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  1. Serebii

    Serebii And, as if by magic, the webmaster appeared... Staff Member Admin

  2. Sceptile Leaf Blade

    Sceptile Leaf Blade Nighttime Guardian

    Celebi is really quite unfortunate. While it has decent all-round stats and Crystal on the Virtual Console making it more accessible, nothing stands out much and it is just all-round meh for a mythical pokémon that in practice has to contend with powerhouses like Magearna with its Soul Heart, Marshadow with its immensely dangerous Spectral Thief stealing stat boosts and ignoring Substitutes, or Shaymin which can spam very flinching Air Slashes and wall break with Seed Flare. As a Grass type, Celebi does stand out somewhat with access to a wide range of coverage moves like Earth Power, Water Pulse, Charge Beam, Dazzling Gleam, and Psychic attacks, but seven weaknesses and the stats not standing out anywhere in particular make it hard to really find direction, and its ability is underwhelming and situational as well. And in the formats where 'anything goes', as in, the only official formats where Celebi tends to be allowed at all, Arceus just has better stats and a much wider movepool, although Arceus is harder to obtain. Had Celebi been a regular pokémon not burdened by a mythical status causing it to be banned in most areas, it could have been a good pokémon, but as a mythical with the associated restrictions it just can't measure up and might be among the weakest mythicals around.

    Celebi @ Psychium Z
    Ability: Natural Cure
    4 HP, 252 Special Attack, 252 Speed
    Timid nature
    - Heal Block
    - Baton Pass
    - Energy Ball
    - Psychic

    Z-Heal Block is one way for Celebi to stand out. It's not easy to set up, but on walls that rely on recovery and Toxic it can pull it off. Once you've set up your Z-Heal Block, Celebi gains +2 special attack, allowing it to actually put a dent in most walls that do not resist it. If Celebi is in trouble, like if it ends up paralysed or has a bad type match-up, it can hopefully Baton Pass out and pass the special attack boost to a teammate. If Celebi acquired a status condition, passing out will also trigger Natural Cure.

    The thing is, it is situational. +2 Special Attack only hits slightly harder than a Life Orb + Calm Mind set, and the benefits from Heal Block don't matter in every situation. Some walls like Toxapex or Amoonguss also have means to clear your stat boost (although +2 Psychic does OHKO both of them if they're not purely and completely invested into only special bulk over physical bulk), and spending your only Z-Move on this boost is often not the best team-building decision.
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  3. KyogreThunder

    KyogreThunder Call of Fate

    It is really a shame that Celebi can't learn Psyshock, since it gets walled by things like Blissey and Tentacruel.
  4. Sceptile Leaf Blade

    Sceptile Leaf Blade Nighttime Guardian

    Blissey can't do too much back to Celebi either, and Celebi can easily set up on it. If Blissey tries to go for status Celebi can just Baton Pass out, restore its status, and pass the stat boosts like Calm Mind to a teammate. Celebi can also potentially set up Leech Seed on Blissey and slowly wear it down, preventing Blissey from using Softboiled or Leftovers with Heal Block. Max HP variants of Celebi can also run Substitute to block Blissey as it can't break the Substitute in a single Seismic Toss (either on level 50 or level 100). As for Tentacruel, +2 Celebi can get the KO with Psychic, although they're both at the 100 base speed bracket making it risky for the outspeeds, depending on builds Tentacruel can also deal considerable damage back with Sludge Bomb.

    That's not to say nothing walls Celebi, there are plenty of pokémon it can't really get past all that well, for instance Regice or Celesteela, but it does have several tools up its sleeve to get rid of purely defensive walls that lack offensive presence. Regice stops it cold because it also threatens a super effective Ice Beam so it can apply pressure.
    Last edited: Oct 19, 2019
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