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Community POTW #34

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Reno's busy writing the last one so here's the next one

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This week we'll be doing Venomoth, one of the original Pokémon

http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-bw/049.shtml

Venomoth is an intriguing Pokémon...seldom used but can be quite awesome if used properly

Go nuts
 

dannyboee2

New Member
yay first!

Shield Dust: Damaging moves used by the opponent will not have an additional effect. Really good for moves like acid spray and parahax moves like discharge.
Tinted Lens: The power of “not very effective” moves is doubled. AMAZING!!! 1/2 ---> 1 and 1/4 ---> 1/2. highly suggested.
Hidden Ability:
Wonder Skin : Makes moves that only afflict status conditions work half the time. not worth using.

My set: Sub-Sleep
Evs: 252 Sp.Atk, 252 Spd 4 HP
Item: Lefty's/ Lif orb
Ability: tinted lens

Silver wind
Sleep powder
Bug Buzz
Substitute

Silver wind for a chance at a all stat boost. Sleep powder to make them pokes go night night. bug buzz for some good damage and especially with tinted lens, will do damage ALL over the place. sub to save yourself cuz venomoth is kinda fragile.

hope you guys liked it!
 
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grantholomew

accually is dolan
Venomoth is kinda cool…at least he has some better stats and moves than a lot of other Bug types.
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Venomothra Attacks!
Venomoth @ Leftovers/Life Orb/Focus Sash
Trait: Tinted Lens
EVs: 4 HP/252 SAtk/252 Spd
Modest (+SAtk, -Atk)/Timid (+Spd, -Atk)
- Bug Buzz
- Sludge Bomb/Venoshock/Psychic
- Toxic/Sleep Powder
- Quiver Dance
Basically Bug Buzz is your main STAB move. Sludge Bomb is also STAB, but since it’s only super effective against Grass-types that are already weak to Bug moves, it’s not always necessary, although it is more useful because of Tinted Lens. However, there is the Toxic-Venoshock combo. Psychic is also a good strong move that can be used. If you aren’t going to use Toxic, then you basically have to use Sleep Powder for an offensive Venomoth, otherwise it won’t survive that long. Finally, Quiver Dance is there to boost your Sp. Attack, Sp. Defense, and Speed, but you should only really use it if your opponent is asleep. If you don’t want Quiver Dance I guess you could have Toxic instead so you would have Venoshock-Toxic-Sleep Powder. Leftovers or Life Orb is fine but you might also consider a Focus Sash so that Venomoth can survive to use Sleep Powder at least once, especially against a faster, stronger opponent.
 
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NeohopeSTF

Sol Badguy
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BatonMoth
Evs 252 Sp.Attack 252 Speed 4Hp
Nature: Timid/Modest
@Leftovers
Trait:Shield Dust
Moveset
Baton Bass
Quiver dance
Substitute
Silver Wind/Bug Buzz

So this set is for Baton Bassing onto some kind of Sp.Attacker in the Sun. Quiver Dance gets up Sp.Attack Sp.Defense AND Speed you also can pass the Subsitute onto it
Silver Wind is there so your not taunt bait and possibly get the stat boosts
but it can also be replaced with Bug Buzz. With its ability Shield Dust it can't get burned by Scald or Flinched by Iron head.
 
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frogofdoom555

(>:O) FFFFFFUUUUUU
Hmm. Quite an interesting Pokemon as it has 2 useful abilities and Tinted Lens. Here they are.

Shield Dust: This ability blocks any added effects from attacks taken. This is very useful for moves like Body Slam or Poison Jab.
Tinted Lens: Eh, it could be worse. Tinted lens boosts power from "Not very Effective" moves. It's not very effective in the long run.
Wonder Skin: This ability makes status-changing moves less likely to hit. This is useful for annoying Watchogs with the Hypnosis-Confuse Ray combo. You might not see that combo around, but it's good to know you're protected.

Out of these 3, the top 2 would be Shield Dust and Wonder Skin. If you have access to Dream World, go with Wonder Skin. Otherwise go with Shield Dust.

So here's the set.


Spec Moth @ Choice Specs
Nature: Modest
Ability: Wonder Skin
EVs: 15 Sp. Defense 30 Defense 58 HP

Quiver Dance
Bug Buzz
Sludge Bomb
Toxic

Quiver Dance to raise your already good Sp. Attack.
Bug Buzz for STAB and for coverage against Psychic and Dark Types.
Sludge Bomb for STAB and Coverage
Toxic to help whittle away damage.

COUNTERS

Bulk Fire Types, Fast Psychic types(NO REUNICLUS!), and anything else that can take Venomoth down. That's pretty much most things because this little guy is frail.

Partners
Bulky waters like Swampert for Fire, Rock, and Ground, Dark Types for Psychic(Bisharp is good) and everything else for everything else.

Overall, Venomoth is an awesome Pokemon if used correctly.
 
Choice-Moth​
Venomoth @ Choice Specs/Choice Scarf
Trait: Tinted Lens
EVs: 4 HP/252 SAtk/252 Spd
Modest (+SAtk, -Atk)/Timid (+Spd, -Atk)
- Bug Buzz
- Sludge Bomb
- Psychic
-Energy Ball/ HP-Ground
Choice Venomoth. Bug Buzz and Sludge Bomb are for STAB, Psychic is there, because, its Psychic. Energy Ball is there to take out bulky Ground/Water pokemon, but if you dont use HP-Ground, drapion and skuntank resist the whole set( despite that they aren't used that much ).​
 

Aurath8

Well-Known Member
Venomoth. An example of a pokemon with great abilities, but not the stats to back them up. Venomoth finds it's niche in Baton Passing Quiver Dance, one of the best setup moves around.
Abilities
Shield Dust: This stops any additional affects of the opponents moves. It stops Fake Out, Discharge, Scald, Lava Plume, from giving you an annoying status. It's good but compltely outclassed by...
Tinted Lens: Not very effective moves have their power doubled. That means anything without a x4 resist will be hit neutrally. It'd be awesome if Venomoth didn't have that feeble Base 90 Attack and Speed but still a great ability nonethless as it diminshes the number of pokemon that can switch-in on offensive Venomoth.
Wonder Skin: Any move that just causes status only works half the time. Basically it means T-Wave, Toxic, WoW, Hypnosis, Confuse Ray etc. all have the accuracy halved. It's great for support sets as that means crippling status like T-Wave only hits 50% of the time, but it can't combine Roost and Wonder Skin.

Baton Pass
Venomoth @ Lum Berry
Timid
Tinted Lens/Wonder Skin/Shield Dust
252 HP/252 Speed/4 Spatk
-Sleep Powder
-Quiver Dance
-Baton Pass
-Bug Buzz/Roost

Sleep Powder cripples the opponent giving you the chance to setup with Quiver Dance while the switch. Baton Pass to your desired sweeper. Bug Buzz stops you from being complete Taunt bait but Roost allows you to Quiver Dance multiple times.
If you're using Bug Buzz, use either of the first two abilities but if you're using Roost, use Shield Dust(Tinted Lens would be pretty useless with no attacks).
Lum Berry stops status from messing everything up.
 
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Missingno. Master

Poison-type Trainer
Miror B.'s Venomoth
Venomoth@Focus Sash
Timid nature
Tinted Lens/Shield Dust
252 Sp. Atk/252 Spd/4 HP
~Quiver Dance
~Bug Buzz
~Sleep Powder
~Psychic/Giga Drain

Named for that dance-crazy Cipher admin we all know and love, and not without reason. The biggest asset of this set is Quiver Dance. Essentially a special version of Dragon Dance, but with a Special Defense boost thrown in. Sleep Powder is good for scoring some extra boosting time. Bug Buzz gets STAB, and either Psychic or Giga Drain for extra coverage. Depends on what you're more in need of; a Conkeldurr killer or a Quagsire counter. Bear in mind, though, that an Unaware Quagsire ignores the Quiver Dance boosts.

The item is obvious. Venomoth doesn't exactly have the defenses of a Registeel, nor the HP of a Blissey, so it needs Focus Sash to guarantee itself at least one Quiver Dance.

Tinted Lens is the ability of choice. A lot of stuff resists Bug, but Tinted Lens doubles the damage Venomoth does with not very effective moves, making it a force to be reckoned with. Shield Dust is also a viable option, as it prevents Fake Out from screwing Venomoth over royally. Wonder Skin is currently illegal on Venomoth and thus not an issue. It's not that good anyway.


Poisonous Passer
Venomoth@Focus Sash
252 HP/252 Spd/4 Sp. Atk
Timid nature
Tinted Lens/Shield Dust
~Quiver Dance
~Baton Pass
~Sleep Powder
~Bug Buzz/Silver Wind

Baton Passing set. Quiver Dance up, sleep the opponent, and while the foe switches or attempts to awaken their slumbering Pokémon, either get in another boost, Baton Pass what you got to someone else, or attack. Bug Buzz is the usual reliable STAB move, but Silver Wind gets a special mention for that chance of upping all of Venomoth's stats by 1. Rather a useful thing for a Baton Passer to have, wouldn't you say?

Items and abilities are the same for the same reasons.


Volcarona Wannabe
Venomoth@Focus Sash
Timid nature
Tinted Lens/Shield Dust
252 Sp. Atk/252 Spd/4 HP
~Quiver Dance
~Bug Buzz
~SolarBeam
~Hidden Power (Fire)

A Venomoth for those sun teams out there. SolarBeam and HP Fire are really the only moves that are new to the set, and both abuse the presence of sun.

Items, abilities, blah blah blah.

Partners:
Anything that can clear out Stealth Rock is a must. All these sets rely on the Focus Sash allowing Venomoth a set-up turn, so obviously SR would interfere with that. For the BP set, you want a good special attacker to pass to. Weezing has decent Special Attack, admittedly wanting Speed, and a good movepool. For the Volcarona Wannabe set, you obviously want a Ninetales on your side.

Counters:
Uncleared entry hazards not named Toxic Spikes ensure Venomoth is dead, unless it's faster than the foe without the boosts and is able to get off a Sleep Powder, which buys it time to QD. Also, once the Sash has done its thing, priority moves are as dangerous to Venomoth as they are to Excadrill. Also, anything with Unaware ignores Venomoth's Special Attack buffs from Quiver Dance, and that can be dangerous. Beware of the likes of Quagsire and Swoobat.
 

ClefairyRox

Nintendo Fan
Venomoth... Okay, let's see. This Bug/Poison type was fairly forgettable in the last few generations. It was basically a generic Bug type. 4th gen, however, brought it a great ability in Tinted Lens. For those who don't know, Tinted Lens doubles the power of "not very effective" moves, so a 2X resist becomes a neutral hit and a 4X resist becomes a 2X resist. That makes its lackluster STAB coverage less of an issue. Even with Tinted Lens, however, it was left in the shadows of fellow Tinted Lens user Yanmega, who is faster and more powerful.

5th gen brought a huge change for Venomoth, however: Quiver Dance. This amazing boosting move is spread to only a few Pokemon (all Bug types, with the exception of Lilligant), and it boosts Sp. Attack, Sp. Defense, and Speed one level. So its like Calm Mind with a Speed boost thrown in. Venomoth's stats in these areas are all decent or better, so it can become quite threatening once it gets a few up. Venomoth also got the Hidden ability Wonder Skin, but with an amazing ability like Tinted Lens, there's little reason to bother.

Two other Pokemon get both Tinted Lens and Quiver Dance: Butterfree and Mothim, but neither of them is as fast as Venomoth (although Mothim packs a bit more power). Furthermore, those two are Bug/Flying types, and as such have that awful 4X Stealth Rock weakness, whereas Venomoth only has a 2X weakness, so it can switch in a bit more easily. So, being the only Bug/Poison type with Quiver Dance and Tinted Lens gives Venomoth a niche. It can't really compete with fellow Quiver Dancer Volcarona and its huge power, but Venomoth has its own niche.

This will probably end up being Venomoth's most common and most effective set this generation:

Item: Leftovers
Ability: Tinted Lens
Nature: Timid (+Speed, -Attack) or Modest (+Sp. Attack, -Attack)
EV Spread: 252 Sp. Attack, 252 Speed, 6 HP
Item: Leftovers OR Life Orb

Sleep Power
Quiver Dance
Bug Buzz
Sludge Bomb/Hidden Power Ground/Baton Pass

A simple, yet effective set. Put your opponent to Sleep with Sleep Power, then use the free turn(s) to set up. There are only two offensive moves on this set (and only one if you run Baton Pass), but that's what Tinted Lens is for. It makes coverage less of an issue.

Bug Buzz is a given. 90 base power, a chance to lower Sp. Defense... Yeah, that's good. Just watch out for Soundproof Pokemon, who are immune to it. The second move is there to compliment Bug Buzz. Sludge Bomb is an additional STAB, although its offensive coverage is lackluster (its only supereffective on Grass Pokemon). Like Bug Buzz, Tinted Lens makes this less of an issue.

Hidden Power Ground murders any Heatran without an Air Balloon, which is important, because otherwise it walls this set. Not that it's likely that you'll see Venomoth and Heatran go head-to-head, but still. It also smacks a number of other counters hard, like Chandelure.

Baton Pass is another niche move Venomoth gets. Besides Masquerain, its the only Quiver Dancer who can Baton Pass. If Venomoth is faced with a threat it can't handle(like the aformentioned Heatran and Chandelure), Baton Pass to another Pokemon. Almost any Pokemon can benefit from Quiver Dance in some way, shape, or form, so it's a pretty worthwhile move.

Nature choice is simple. Timid if you want more speed, and Modest for more power. Timid is probably preferable, though, so you can get more Pokemon to sleep before they can take you out. As for item choice, pick the Lefties if you want a little more bulk, and Life Orb is all about power.

I guess you could kinda-sorta run a defensive set with Roost, but Venomoth's stats just aren't up to the job. Quiver Dancing is what it does, and it does it well. It's got the stats, it's got the ability, and it's got the moves. And God help you if it Baton Passes two or three Quiver Dances to an even more powerful ally.
 
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Del Mundo

Ghost Fan
The only Venomoth I would ever find useful:


Venomoth@Focus Sash?
252 HP/252 Spd/4 Sp. Atk
Timid nature
Tinted Lens
~Quiver Dance/Agility
~Sleep Powder
~Baton Pass
~Bug Buzz/Substitute

With Sleep Powder, Venomoth is a unique baton passer. You can baton pass quiver dance or agility while a slower opponent is asleep. You can use Bug Buzz as an attempt to defend yourself or substitute as an extra bp bonus.
 

Vodka Haze

Well-Known Member
Like a Venomoth to a Flame!
Attacks:
Sleep Powder
Quiver Dance
Bug Buzz
Psychic/Sludge Bomb
Item:
Leftovers/Black Sludge/Focus Sash
Ability:
Tinted Lens
Nature:
Timid (+Speed, -Attack)
EVs:
4HP, 252 Special Attack, 252 Speed

The set I use on my Venomoth. Basically, this is a set up on how to become a massive Special Sweeper that can be hard to take down. Use Sleep Powder to start it up, and then use Quiver Dance to increase your stats. You'll want to have a Timid nature to get most Pokemon which are quick to sleep before they attack. Bug Buzz is for STAB, but also the possibility of lowering your opponent's SpD, which is a plus. Psychic is the better than Sludge Bomb, since you can also lower their SpD, but Sludge Bomb may poison your foe and ruin another set up. Focus Sash is their for your Defence, but you can go with Leftovers or Black Sludge to help keep you in for longer. Tinted Lens so your opponent can't really counter you with type advantages that much.

Countering Venomoth:
Haze and Clear Smog are effective counter moves on Venomoth. Pokemon with Insomnia or Vital Spirit are good counters, and Physical Sweepers are essential to counter Venomoth. Primeape is a prime (pun intended) example.
 
Darn...someone already made a Mothra pun...

While Venomoth might be outclassed by Volcarona in OU, it does have a few assets that set it apart and give it a niche in UU: Sleep Powder, Tinted Lens, and Baton Pass. These, alongside Quiver Dance, are the reason to use Venomoth.

May I have this dance?
Venomoth@Leftovers
Timid
Tinted Lens
EVs: 252 HP, 252 Spe, 4 SpA
Moves:
-Quiver Dance
-Baton Pass
-Sleep Powder
-Bug Buzz/Roost

Venomoth is one of the only Pokemon (and for the most part, the only good one) that can Baton Pass Quiver Dance. But what makes Venomoth so neat is not just its ability to BP a boost to SpA, SpD, and speed all at once, but to threaten counters with Sleep Powder. After immobolizing an opponent, Venomoth can simply BP the boosts to a partner (Nidoking is fantastic as a BP recipient) or do a little damage with Bug Buzz. Thanks to Tinted Lens, not much is taking a Bug Buzz too easily. Roost can be used to keep Venomoth alive longer, but then she's completely shut down by Taunt.

When Moths Attack...
Venomoth@Life Orb
Timid
Tinted Lens
EVs: 252 SpA, 252 Spe, 4 HP
Moves:
-Quiver Dance
-Bug Buzz
-Psychic
-Sleep Powder/HP Ground/HP Fire

A more offensive take on Venomoth. Venomoth's average offensive stats may lead one to believe that it's far better off Baton Passing, but that's only a misconception. With Tinted Lens, nothing in UU (besides Shedinja) is resisting the combination of Bug Buzz and Psychic. This allows Venomoth to perform well as a late game cleaner with it's great boosted speed and SpA. Sleep Powder is recommended for the final slot, because let's face it. Very little is scarier than a powerful sweeper than can put a counter to sleep. However, either Hidden Power can help Venomoth to better handle some Steel types, but one must be wary of the speed drop associated with HP Fire.

Well, just a little something to help get the ball rolling. It's been a while since I contributed to one of these.
 

PokefanTez

Well-Known Member
Yay! I'm on the first page!
Partners:
If you are using Venomoth, you definitely want a rapid spinner. There are a few other nice options, but you absolutely need a rapid spinner, since stealth rock kills Venomoth.
Counters:
Stealth rock! I don't care how powerful something is, (when compared to something besides the other bug-flying types, Venomoth definitely lacks power), if half of its HP is gone, it's going down unless you put roost or another recovery move on it. Outside of that, rock type attacks, flying type attacks and fire type attacks, especially when they're boosted by STAB, will kill Venomoth. All of that being said, Venomoth is not a bad pokemon, especially when it uses Quiver dance.
 

Missingno. Master

Poison-type Trainer
The only Venomoth I would ever find useful:


Venomoth@Focus Sash?
252 HP/252 Spd/4 Sp. Atk
Timid nature
Tinted Lens
~Quiver Dance/Agility
~Sleep Powder
~Baton Pass
~Bug Buzz/Substitute

With Sleep Powder, Venomoth is a unique baton passer. You can baton pass quiver dance or agility while a slower opponent is asleep. You can use Bug Buzz as an attempt to defend yourself or substitute as an extra bp bonus.

You should have Silver Wind as an option over Bug Buzz. A slight drop in power, true, but there's the chance of upping all of Venomoth's stats. And as its role is a Baton Passer, I'd say that would be considered fairly important.
 

Ciliano

Well-Known Member
Butterfly Baton Pass

Venomoth@Leftovers or Black Sludge
Ability: Tinted Lens
Nature:Timid
EVs: 252 HP/ 4 SpA/ 252 Spe
-Baton Pass
-Quiver Dance
-Sleep Powder
-Bug Buzz

I love this set. Come in, put something to sleep, get up a Quiver Dance on the switch (one is usually enough), and simply Baton Pass to something that would love to get it. A lot of Pokemon can benefit from this like Heatran or Magnezone who can happily take all of the attacks aimed at Venomoth, but usually almost any slow specially based Pokemon who are stuck behind their terrible speed would love to be partnered up with the moth.
 
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Caetano93

Member
Never use leftovers on Venomoth because he is a POISON type so, go with black sludge.

UU mono attacker
Venomoth@Black Sludge
Tinted Lens
Timid
EV: 252 speed/252 sp.attack/4 hp
Sleep Powder
Quiver Dance
Substitute
Bug Buzz

Put the oponent to sleep then set up substitute and start to raise your special attack and speed. When the oponent break the substitute, wreak it down with Bug Buzz or put it to sleep again to continue raising your stats. Simple, easy and cheap.
 

Ciliano

Well-Known Member
Never use leftovers on Venomoth because he is a POISON type so, go with black sludge.

UU mono attacker
Venomoth@Black Sludge
Tinted Lens
Timid
EV: 252 speed/252 sp.attack/4 hp
Sleep Powder
Quiver Dance
Substitute
Bug Buzz

Put the oponent to sleep then set up substitute and start to raise your special attack and speed. When the oponent break the substitute, wreak it down with Bug Buzz or put it to sleep again to continue raising your stats. Simple, easy and cheap.

Ummm ok? Both could work....... I'm not trying to sweep with my set though. I edited my set JUST for you. Just in case someone out there really wants to use Black Sludge over Leftovers (Both could work, it doesn't matter that much).
 
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Never use leftovers on Venomoth because he is a POISON type so, go with black sludge.

UU mono attacker
Venomoth@Black Sludge
Tinted Lens
Timid
EV: 252 speed/252 sp.attack/4 hp
Sleep Powder
Quiver Dance
Substitute
Bug Buzz

Put the oponent to sleep then set up substitute and start to raise your special attack and speed. When the oponent break the substitute, wreak it down with Bug Buzz or put it to sleep again to continue raising your stats. Simple, easy and cheap.

Don't use the Black Sludge. I know it may seem neat to cripple an opponent who Tricks the Black Sludge off Venomoth, but all they have to do now is Trick it onto something else on your team and you're in trouble. The only time you should ever use Black Sludge is if you're playing with an Item Clause and something else needs Leftovers, but even then Item Clause isn't standard.
 
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