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Community POTW #42

Discussion in 'POTW Collaboration' started by Serebii, Oct 16, 2011.

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  1. Serebii

    Serebii And, as if by magic, the webmaster appeared... Staff Member Admin

    Reno's busy writing the last one so here's the next one

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    This week we'll be doing Tentacruel, one of the original Pokémon

    http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-bw/073.shtml

    Normally, most ignore Tentacruel, but it has some decent uses

    Go nuts
     
  2. spuds4ever

    spuds4ever Well-Known Member

    Yay, first :p

    Tentacruel has always been a decent special wall but with the introduction of toxic spikes, it became one of the five pokemon who could set-up hazards as well as spin them off (the other four being forretress, donphan, cloyster, and smeargle) making him a good choice for support. Along with another move which was introduced later, scald, meant he could stop physical sweepers dead in their tracks as well.

    Here is one of his common sets:

    Tentacruel @black sludge
    EVs: 252 HP, 200 def, 56 sp. def
    Bold, liquid ooze
    Scald
    toxic spikes
    rapid spin
    Ice beam

    This is tentacruel's main supporting set. Scald is for stab and the very handy burn chance, toxic spikes and rapid spin are obvious and ice beam is to stop any dragons getting any ideas about setting up. Black sludge laughs at trickers and liquid ooze is handy to stop sub-seeders. The EVs let him take quite a few hits from both ends of the spectrum but unfortunately tentacruel doesn't get any form of recovery outside of rest, chesto-rest can still be an option though.
     
    Last edited: Oct 16, 2011
  3. _Calm|Mind_

    _Calm|Mind_ Follow the Path

    Reno's Tentacruel

    Tentacruel @ Black Sludge
    Trait: Liquid Ooze
    EVs: 252 HP / 240 Def / 16 Spe
    Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
    - Attract
    - Tickle
    - Wrap
    - Double Team

    Mark <3's Tentacruel ^_^
    You're gay.
     
  4. maciscool

    maciscool Well-Known Member

    believe it or not this is an ou pokemon,i thought of it as useless,but then i saw smogon for the first time...
    even though it is in ou,it has an awfully low defense and its weakness to earthquake and forrestress has both forms of spikes, steath rock and rapid spin make tentacruel sound useless.however dont underestimate it
    has high speed and special defense,ok special attack and will beat u if u think of it as a joke.

    abilities
    clear body:not too useful honestly,liquid ooze and rain dish are better
    liquid ooze:lets u destroy whimsicottand other giga drainers really useful
    rain dish:anoyher great abilitiy

    Support
    ability:rain dish
    item leftovers
    toxic spikes
    rapid spin
    scald/surf
    protect/ice beam
    nature:bold
    evs 252hp/252def/4 speed

    offensive
    item:life orb
    ability:liquid ooze
    surf/hydro pump
    giga drain/toxic spikes
    ice beam
    rapid spin
    nature:timid
    evs 252 speed/252spa/4hp


    other options
    venoshock:not to useful compared to ice beam,as ice beam has more coverage
    Hex:really useful considering poison and burn
    magic coat:allows u to gert around taunt
    aqua ring:if u want as much recovery as possible
    hp fire:a way to suprise ferrothorn.however,th support tentacruel is perferred over offensive,so hp fire is weakened.im not to sure about this.pm me if im wrong

    counters:gyarodos ,jirachi,latios,latias,espeon and reuniclus are its major counters.
     
    Last edited: Oct 23, 2011
  5. here is my set:

    Item:black sludge
    252 hp 252 def 4 sp def
    bold nature
    ability-rain dish(on a rain team)/liquid ooze(against leech seeders and giga drainers)/clear body(for intimidaters and stat droppers)
    -toxic spikes
    -rapid spin
    -hex(for poisoned pokemon)/giga drain(coverage against water types)
    -hydro pump(dont put scald because the pokemon are already going to be poisoned)/sludge wave
     
  6. grantholomew

    grantholomew accually is dolan

    Tentacruel…has an awesome Generation I sprite.
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    Jellyfishing
    Tentacruel @ Leftovers/Black Sludge
    Trait: Clear Body/Rain Dish
    EVs: 252 HP/200 Def/56 SDef
    Bold (+Def, -Atk)
    - Toxic Spikes
    - Scald/Surf
    - Venoshock/Ice Beam
    - Barrier/Rapid Spin/Aqua Ring
    Tentacruel is a defensive kinda guy, and can work as a lead to put down Toxic Spikes and then stall for a while. Scald and Surf are good Water STAB choices, and Scald can burn. Venoshock is another good STAB that’s doubled if the opponent has been poisoned by Toxic Spikes. Ice Beam on the other hand is for those pesky Flying types that won’t get poisoned. Barrier is for raising Tentacruel’s bad defense, and should be the first thing Tentacruel uses. However, Rapid Spin can get rid of the opponent’s entry hazards. Aqua Ring is just another way to stall. Use Clear Body unless Tentacruel’s on a rain team, if that’s the case use Rain Dish. There's not difference between Leftovers and Black Sludge.
     
    Last edited: Oct 16, 2011
  7. Spacial Rend

    Spacial Rend Ultra Trainer

    The common sets have been taken, guess I'll post something gimmicky.
    Bulky Boost@Leftovers
    EVs: 252 HP 200 Def 56 SpDef
    Nature: Impisih
    Waterfall
    Return
    Swords Dance
    Barrier

    I highly doubt anybody would use this, but it could work... maybe.? Swords Dance boosts Tentacruel's low attack, after 3 you might dent something. Barrier boosts Tentacruel's low Defense stat, so I guess the SpDef could be given some EVs. Waterfall is for STAB and Return rounds out the coverage (not to mention is pretty much the only other good physical move he can learn).
     
  8. Sala-imence

    Sala-imence Rock type trainer

    Tentacruel

    Tentatank

    Item: Black Sludge
    Nature: Bold (+Def, -Atk)
    EVs: 252 Def, 252 SDef, 4 Spd
    Ability: Rain Dish

    Moveset:
    - Scald
    - Barrier
    - Aqua Ring
    - Toxic Spikes

    I love this set. Use it on a rain set to make it really awesome. So, use barrier if you are up agaisnt a physical pokemon, when the time is right, get aqua ring to heal you even more. Once everthing is set up, scald might burn the opponent, which will allow you to set up toxic spikes or more barrier. This set is basically there to stall people. If not on a rain set, have clear body as the ability.
     
  9. Fast_shoesXx

    Fast_shoesXx Well-Known Member

    Standard @Black Sludge [Timid]
    252 Spd/252 HP (if ice beam: 252 Sp. A)
    Toxic Spikes
    Rapid Spin
    Hydro Pump
    Knock Off/Magic Coat/Ice Beam/Icy Wind [respectively: remove held item of switch-ins; reflect status, etc.; more coverage; makes your next switch-in guaranteed to outspeed]

    Gimmicruel @Black Sludge [Timid]
    252 Spd/252 Sp. A
    Substitute
    Acupressure
    Hydro Pump/Scald
    Blizzard/Ice Beam
     
  10. Dancing Togekiss

    Dancing Togekiss Well-Known Member

    Item: black sludge

    ability: rain dish

    moveset:
    toxic spikes
    hydro pump
    hex
    sluge bomb/ice beam
     
  11. Nijaskills

    Nijaskills Well-Known Member

    I'm going to throw in an additional option, it gets Hail, which can end Permaweather (barring Snow Warning), and really throw off the momentum of a weather team, especially if their starter is dead.
     
  12. Silvershark

    Silvershark HAWLUCHA!!!

    Stall Starter
    Item:Black Sludge
    Ability: Rain Dish
    Nature:Calm/Timid
    Ev's: 6 Hp, 252 Sp. Def, 252 Spd
    Moves:
    Toxic Spikes
    Barrier
    Scald
    Rain Dance/Giga Drain/Aqua Ring

    Ment to lead off a stall team, this thing is pretty durable and has it pretty good working off a base 100 speed stat. That high speed allows it to throw up a Barrier before most foes attack, shoring up that poor Defense. From there it's just a matter of putting down layers of Toxic Spikes and using Scald to try to burn the opponent's lead and the poison-immune. Since this is a lead set, setting up it's own rain is useful for activating Rain Dish, powering up Scald, and negating other weathers, but if you already have Politoed
    setting up perma-rain then use either Giga Drain or Aqua Ring for more ways to regenerate Hp.
     
    Last edited: Oct 16, 2011
  13. DarkLatios

    DarkLatios SHINE GET

    Hmm, Tentacruel~

    As surprising as it may seem, Tentacruel is a firm OU Pokemon and one of the best assets to a stall team, thanks primarily due to its brilliant Special Defence and supporting abilities in Toxic Spikes and Rapid Spin. It can even go offensive with Rain support or through Swords Dance, although stalling is definately the preferrable option. Although it may appear to have many common weaknesses and a weak physical Defence, these weaknesses can be offset by team support and don't PARTICULARLY hamper Tentacruel too much. Despite this, Tentacruel is fairly one-dimensional, as once you see it you'll have a good idea of what it does, but damn is it good at what it does.

    Liquid Ooze: A surprisingly handy ability, thanks to the increased power of Giga Drain in Gen 5. This ability allows Tentacruel to single handedly destroy Virizion and Celebi by itself and (if you actually find one) completely neuters Whimsicott, in addition to stopping Drain Punchers in their tracks. It doesn't do particularly much overall, but it does make a difference in a fight.
    Clear Body: Fairly useless ability for the jellyfish, Tentacruel is not a name that springs to mind when it comes to physical attackers and so Intimidate really won't do anything. Other than that, what else utilises stat changes? Absolutely nothing.
    Rain Dish: Probably Tentacruels most reliably ability, in Rain Tentacruels health increases every turn. With Tentacruels lack of recovery and due to Rain Support really helping it, this is hands down Tentacruels most reliable ability.

    Toxic Spikes Supporter:

    Nature: Bold
    Ability: Rain Dish
    Item: Leftovers
    252 HP/240 Def / 16 Spe
    Toxic Spikes
    Rapid Spin
    Scald/Surf
    Ice Beam/Protect/Barrier

    The only role you're likely to see Tentacruel in. Due to Tentacruels Water-Poison typing, Tentacruel can not only switch in on a fair amount of Special moves, but it can also absorb Toxic Spikes, making it excellent as a counterbalance against it as well as a provider. Obviously, you set up the appropriate layer of Toxic Spikes as the opponent switches, and watch as they helplessly lose their health (unless the opponent floats or is Poison/Steel type). Toxic Spikes is the main draw to Tentacruel due to how well it can wittle down opponents for a sweeper, but its access to Rapid Spin makes it particularly special, being 1 of only 4 or 5 viable Pokemon capable of setting hazards and spinning them away, again adding to Tentacruels appeal as a team supporter. Scald is brilliant for detering Physical attackers as well as dealing some damage, but due to how it can conflict with the Poison generated by the Toxic Spikes, Surf is also a viable option. Ice Beam, although not to strong coming off its base 80 Special Attack, still deals a fair amount to Grass and Dragon Types as well as Gliscor and Landorus, but Protect allows you to safely recover your health and scout for opponents moves, and Barrier further covers up Tentacruels weaker Physical defence, so it's all down to personal preference. Other options include Hidden Power Fire for denting Steel types, Magic Coat to prevent Tentacruel from being Taunted and Giga Drain for facing Rotom-W, but these aren't as reliable as the above choices.
     
    Last edited: Oct 16, 2011
  14. Eliteknight

    Eliteknight S.L.Y.

    The annoying Squid@blacksludge
    bold/calm/timid
    rain dish
    252def/252spdef/4hp or 252def/252hp/4spdef
    Aqua ring
    toxic spikes
    barrier/raindance
    venoshock/gigadrain/scald/surf

    I picture this set as one of the most annoying ones. Aqua ring for extra healing toxic spikes for status and entry hazards. Barreir to increase its low defence stat.Rain dance if it isnt on a rain team. The final slot is divided in between four attacking moves Venoshock for stab and increased power under toxic spikes. GigaDrain for maximum healing. Scald for stab and extra status. Surf for a superpowerful and reliable stab.

    Partners: Drizzle poitoad
     
  15. MisterM

    MisterM That's what she said

    Eat my tentacles!

    Tentacruel @Leftovers
    Ability : Liquid Ooze
    Modest Nature (+ SpAtk ; - SpDef)

    - Hydro Pump/Scald
    - Poison Jab
    - Ice Beam
    - Swagger/Protect

    Hydro Pump for STAB, or run Scald to get the burn chance. Poison Jab over Toxic Spikes to be able to poison Flying types as well. Ice Beam for coverage. The last spot was kind of random but here's my thought : Protect to stall toxic damage and gain some time and make more damage, Swagger raises Attack but I think it couples well with Scald since with a burn, Attack is halved, so it doesn't change much in the end, and the foe is confused as well so... Tell me if I'm wrong about this one, maybe the game mechanics are not like that. For the ability, Sub-seeders will be mad, I think...

    Bad Tentacruel, very bad!.... Carry on...

    Tentacruel @Black Sludge
    Ability : Rain Dish
    Jolly Nature (+ Speed ; - SpAtk)

    - Rain Dance
    - Toxic Spikes
    - Hex
    - Hydro Pump

    Tentacruel as a leader, F*** Yeah! Rain Dance to set up weather, then Toxic Spikes for entry hazards. Hex to make some damage after TS, and Hydro Pump for Stab. Black Sludge and Rain Dish for recovery. 'Nuff said.
     
  16. Ilan

    Ilan Well-Known Member

    Ok tentacruel is a really cool guy tentacool is cooler though, with 100 speed he is nothing to ignore!

    WANNA BE STARMIE
    @black sludge
    trait:liquid ooze
    nature:Timid
    EV: 240 Satk , 252 speed , 16 HP
    Giga Drain
    scald/hydro pump
    ice beam
    rapid spin

    that's a tentacruel who works exacly like starmie instead of diferent stats and typing and giga drain, and ability and black sludge well he is nothing like starmie.

    scald for burn, hydro pump for power, ice beam for coverage and giga drain (this move got increased power this generation which benefit tentacruel a lot) for other waters not named tentacruel

    rapid spin to do it's job

    liquid ooze is deadly VS ferrothorn and whimscott
    black sludge to mess up with trickers like rotom and latias (yeah he is OU)

    Spec tentacles
    @choice specs
    EV: 252 Satk 252 speed 4 HP
    nature: timid
    trait: liquid ooze/rain dish
    hydro pump
    sludge wave
    giga drain
    ice beam

    he have 100 speed which is pretty fast and 80 special attack is average good for specs I guess

    liquid ooze outside of the rain, rain dish with rain.

    hydro pump is for stab, sludge wave although having really bad coverage it have good power with it being stab and kill grass types like nothing (except ferrothorn), giga drain for other waters especially swampert and gastordon, and ice beam for stuff like dragonite and gliscor.
     
    Last edited: Oct 16, 2011
  17. WeatherEffectRain

    WeatherEffectRain Arm Wrestle?

    Ooh, Tentacruel. Giant poisonous Jellyfish combined with actual OK-use.

    For the most part, you should be using Jellicent. Jellicent's got better defenses, Will-O-Wisp, a better back-up STAB, etc etc. If you're going to use Tentacruel, you'll have to play to it's different attributes.

    For Tentacruel, it has a few tricks to boast over it. First of all, it's got a much better SDef. It's also wicked fast for a wall. It gets Acid Spray, which can force switches every once in a while, or lead to some actual KOs. Tentacruel also has more movepool; notably including Giga Drain, Aqua Ring, Rapid Spin, Toxic Spikes, Venoshock and it's abilities, all being useful. Although that's really the cream of the crop, it's quite a bit to boast over Jellicent.

    So, establishing itself as a Supporter, Staller, Wall and even tanky, if you can go there.

    TSpike support
    Ability: Liquid Ooze/Rain Dish
    Item: Black Sludge/Leftovers
    Nature: Bold
    EVs: 252 HP, 252 Def, 4 SDef
    -Toxic Spikes
    -Aqua Ring/Giga Drain
    -Rapid Spin/Venoshock
    -Surf/Scald

    Toxic Spikes is probably the most important move on the set. Being an important Entry Hazard for Stall teams, it finds itself there quickly. It's abilities, by the way, are all simply OK, except Rain Dish. If you use Rain Dish, you lose access to Giga Drain, but you can still use Aqua Ring. Liquid Ooze is also usable if you want to counter Ludicolo or Ferrothorn or the like. Rapid Spin is valuable support, although could be dropped simply for another move, like Venoshock, which gets STAB and doubled by Poisoned Pokemon. Then, the standard STAB is Surf, because Scald's Burn chance could get in the way; however, it may be best to try it anyway.

    Pure Support
    Ability: Liquid Ooze/Rain Dish
    Item: Leftovers/Black Sludge
    Nature: Bold
    EVs: 252 HP, 252 Def, 4 SDef
    -Rapid Spin/Knock Off/Toxic Spikes/Haze
    -Rapid Spin/Knock Off/Toxic Spikes/Haze
    -Rapid Spin/Knock Off/Toxic Spikes/Haze
    -Surf/Scald

    The majority of it's support Movepool. Lol.

    Tickle+Acid Spray
    Ability: Liquid Ooze/Rain Dish
    Item: Leftovers/Black Sludge
    Nature: Timid/Bold
    EVs: 252 HP, 4 Def, 252 Spd
    -Tickle
    -Acid Spray
    -Surf/Hydro Pump
    -Giga Drain/Ice Beam/Hidden Power [Rock]

    This is my own concoction. It's something I threw together and was like "AHA!". When you look at this at first, it seems rather stupid and simple. However, with Tentacruel's actually good base speed of 100 and good STAB as well as back-up movepool means it can be a force to be reckoned with. Why Tickle and Acid Spray, though? Well, I'll tell you like it is; when they get a 50% cut to their Attack, Physical hits don't work quite as well. Acid Spray means they can't fight back well, AND you can usually make a great deal of harm, although altered EV spreads may be needed to make the best out of it. Surf is your generic STAB; you may want to opt for Hydro Pump, though, because it causes a great deal more damage. Giga Drain is for those pesky Gastrodon and Quagsire. Ice Beam takes care of Dragons, and HPRock hits neutrally with Water on everything except for iirc Ferrothorn. Oh, and also, if you're wondering about Special Attackers; Tentacruel has a Base 120 SDef, so it will take those like a pro. There's better ways to put this together, but the strategy is unexpected and can be devastating.

    Jellicent, I guess you have to... *Cue sunglasses and Gen I Sprite* Deal with it.
     
  18. wunderkind

    wunderkind <- The PMG

    I don't know why, but I always forget about Tentacruel. My mind just always seems to ignore it >.>

    Anyway, it gets Toxic Spikes and Rapid Spin, which is pretty sweet.

    Jelly-Leader
    Item: Black Sludge
    Ability: Liquid Ooze/Rain Dish(if on a rain team)
    Nature: Calm (+SpD, -Atk)/Bold (+Def, -Atk)
    EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/4 SpD
    -Toxic Spikes
    -Rapid Spin
    -Venoshock
    -Hydro Pump/Surf/Scald/Water Pulse

    Toxic Spikes for entry hazard, blah, blah. Rapid Spin can stop your opponent hazards. Venoshock is an awesome move combined with TS status, get x2 power and STAB. Hydro Pump and Surf are straight up attacks, with the latter being more reliable. Scald can give you an extra status, although it might not be too helpful with TS out. Water Pulse, however, can add confusion on top of poison.

    RELEASE THE KRAKKEN!
    Item: Life Orb/Wise Glasses
    Ability: Liquid Ooze/Rain Dish
    Nature: Modest (+SpA, -Atk)/Timid (+Spd, -Atk)
    EVs: 252 SpA/252 Spd/4 HP
    -Acid Spray
    -Hydro Pump/Surf/Scald/Muddy Water
    -Sludge Wave/Hex
    -Ice Beam/Blizzard/Hex

    Tentacruel has pretty good Special Attack. Acid Spray is awesome. It may have low base power, but it has a 100% chance of lowering your opponents Sp Def 2 stages. Awesomesauce. You have a plethora of water STABs to use, two that are just strong, one with status, and one with stat lowering abilities. Sludge Wave is another strong STAB thats also helpful in doubles/triples, and Ice Beam/Blizzard are for coverage. Hex can be used with Scald's burn for extra power, as well as to take out Psychics/Ghosts. Life Orb has mre of a boost than Wise Glasses, but has recoil. I suppose you could use Choice items with this set if you wanted.
     
    Last edited: Oct 16, 2011
  19. Ilan

    Ilan Well-Known Member

    although his weakness to ground he have a resistance to fighting it absorb toxic spikes and have immunity to toxic those are some of his advantages especially the toxic immunity
    paralyze cripple it you can run lum barry if you like but it bulky (in the special part) enough to be slow too.
    I heard he is usable in ubers too.
    good partners include zoroark, rotom-W,politoad (for more power), volcarona (greatly benefits from the rapid spin), hydreigon (immune to some of his weaknesses and resist the electric weakness and so on.
     
  20. Phoopes

    Phoopes There it is.

    StatusCruel

    Tentacruel(F)@Black Sludge
    Ability: Liquid Ooze
    Nature: Bold
    EV Spread: 252 HP/ 200 Def/ 56 SpD
    Moveset:
    -Attract
    -Confuse Ray
    -Toxic
    -Scald

    The set that keeps statusing your opponent over and over again. Most people on PO don't bother to change the gender of their Pokemon, so Attract should work against most Pokemon with genders. This combined with Confuse Ray makes it really hard to hit you. Toxic gets them badly poisoned, another plus. Scald is a generic STAB move so you're not Taunt bait, plus it gives the bonus of a chance to burn the opponent. The EVs and nature are to maximize Tentacruel's bulk, and Black Sludge for recovery and death to those who Trick you.
     
    Last edited: Oct 16, 2011
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