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Community POTW #46

Discussion in 'POTW Collaboration' started by Serebii, Nov 13, 2011.

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  1. rcyzhang

    rcyzhang Member

     
  2. windsong

    windsong WEST SIDE

    I must say, I wholeheartedly support this specs escavelier set, and deem it one of if not the most viable set for Escavelier in the entire OU metagame, unlike the silly specially defensive and physical sets, which are either totally outclassed by Scizor (who is also significantly sexier) and the physically offensive Trick Room sets, which are also outclassed by Scizor, along with every other offensive mon that performs will in Trick Room. However, with Choice Specs, Escavelier truly has its chance to shine. Nothing outclasses it, and it is capable of abusing its downright massive base 60 Special Attack (which is comparable to that of other OU behemoths, such as Gyarados and Gliscor, as well as being significantly higher than the base SpA of its other main competitor for the role of a specs bug type; Heracross. **** Yanmega everybody hates it).

    First off, here are some damage calculations against some top OU threats:

    252 SpA Modest Specs Escavelier Bug Buzz vs...

    0 HP / 0 SpDef Rash (-SpDef) Latios = 67.77% - 79.73%
    0 HP / 0 SpDef Rash (-SpDef) Latias = 58.47% - 69.10%
    0 HP / 0 SpDef Rash (-SpDef) Tyranitar (in Rain) = 64.52% - 76.25%
    0 HP / 0 SpDef Rash (-SpDef) Celebi = 129.03% - 152.49% (OHKO!)
    252 HP / 252 SpDef Calm (+SpDef) Celebi = 70.30% - 83.17%
    0 HP / 0 SpDef Blue Harvest = 94.03% - 99.92%

    As one can see, Specs Escavelier possesses tremendous power, always 2HKOing -SpDef nature Latios, Latias, and Tyranitar, and even OHKOing some Celebi with Bug Buzz! The failure to OHKO standard Blue Harvests is a bit of a downer, but thankfully, Stealth Rocks can be placed on many many many useful mons, so it's ok, since with Rocks, this Escavelier is OHKOing a huge portion of the metagame! Because of this, it definitely deserves a spot on basically any team, and synergizes extremely well with other strong special attackers who can break down walls for it, such as Taurus, who OHKOs most Gliscor with Ice Beam, and Ferroseed, who takes a fair amount of damage from Taurus Fire Blast!

    As JF mentioned, this set sweeps incredibly well under Trick Room, but Escavelier is such a ****ing baller that it really doesn't need it. In fact, despite what I mentioned earlier about Specs Taurus opening holes for Escavelier to sweep, Escavelier really doesn't need any team support at all. For example, you could go into a battle with just specs Escavelier agianst all six of your opponent's mons, and likely come out victorious (although other Escavelier sets would be unable to pull off such a feat). Because of this, I really don't want to go into team support that much, since if you're using Specs Escavelier, you're using a mon so broken that it's only fair to play Escavelier against the world (kind of like a Scott Pilgrim remake).

    Finally, counters. Its extremely hard to find a hard counter to Specs Escavelier, since nearly everything in the tier is OHKO'd or 2HKO'd by it. Even defensive behemoths such as Lucario and Infernape who resist your main STAB and are likely common switch ins take hefty damage from Focus Blast. In addition, with 6 consecutive SpDef drops with Focus Blast, this Escavelier can even beat down Blissey and Chansey, which is incredible for any special attacker!

    tl;dr, Reno, when you put this set in the analysis, absolutely do not make it look like a gimmick, for it is significantly more viable than any other escavelier set out there.

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  3. Latias_

    Latias_ Passive voice

    Not only that but Specs Escavalier is viable even in ubers! Bug buzz should 7hko standard defensive Lugia, while Lugia will hardly scratch it with ice beam! It can easily switch into choiced ice beams, draco meteors, or even a Mewtwo Psystrike! Ergo, always consider the utilisation of Choice specs Escavalier, as it is capable of producing massive holes in the opponent's team!

    Just because its name is French doesn't mean it sucks at war

    !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  4. Blue Harvest

    Blue Harvest Banned

    Ok stop with the specs Exca stuff before I ban all of you.

    Ahahaha, that was good.
     
  5. TyranitarFan

    TyranitarFan Professional Badass

    dont you mean esca? (smirk)
     
  6. windsong

    windsong WEST SIDE

    I agree specs Exca is TERRIBLE

    However, specs Escavelier is just as viable as many of the sets that have been included in POTW as the main set (such as Belly Drum Clefable, Specs Tyranitar, etc).
     
  7. PokeMaster366

    PokeMaster366 Well-Known Member

    So what's with all the trolling and cruel sarcasm about Specs Escargo? Doesn't the person who started it know that a Banded Escavalier does way better or did he just ignore the Serebii pokedex entry?
     
  8. Kraleck

    Kraleck Well-Known Member

    Escav' may not have many Physical Move options, but with a Quiet Nature Mixed set in Rain, you have that many more options from your equally-small Special Movepool. Refusing to accept Mix-cavalier is like refusing to accept that a standard light switch has 2 positions.

    Even Struggle Bug has its use, considering the prevalence of Special Fire-Type Moves over Physical ones. Lowering the Sp.Atk of a Special Attacker can help bear the brunt of an otherwise-deadly Flamethrower in some cases.

    Slow and steady is Escav's shining moment. Sending Escav' in early with Trick Room and late after threats to it are gone are possible in the same battle. Despite most Hold Items seen here, a few others are viable options:
    -Rocky Helmet is great for teaching Contact Move users a lesson...especially if they require Sturdy Ability or a Focus Sash to stay in the game.
    -Zoom Lens can help with Accuracy issues on a limited, but respectable, number of Moves. Since you're slow already, few Pokemon will deny the use of this item. Megahorn and Screech's Accuracy will be boosted from 85% to 102%, making it less risky to use them, if you so choose.
    -Using Red Card is risky, but allows you to "scout" while staying in. The opponent may also exploit this, hence the risk.
    -Eject Button can help you auto-swap to a Fire-Move-user counter, as needed, but requires some setup. Trick Room can also help, getting your hits in then fleeing when things get iffy.
     
  9. Ilan

    Ilan Well-Known Member

    Exca= Excadrill
    so stop calling him exca!

    if you want to use a base 60 special attack just use spinda he got released yesterday with contrary! he can use work up and calm mind to baton pass the boosts to other pokemons! isn't is geniously useless?


    now seriously wanna use specs set just use volcarona or garvantula...

    it got only 1-2 usable sets the others aren't that good even with rain dance hidden power water is really weak only from base 80 + in an attack stat it is usable in UU.
     
  10. Gamefreak

    Gamefreak Well-Known Member

    I think Specs Escavelier is an exaggeration. Sure the Clefable and Tyranitar set weren't that great, but Specs Escavelier is downright terrible.
     
  11. sbktdreed

    sbktdreed Veteran Trainer

    Personal Moveset
    Ability: Shell Armor
    Item: Silverpowder/Occa Berry
    X-scissor/Bug Buzz
    Iron Head
    Reversal/Focus Blast
    Aerial Ace

    Muscle/Choice Band (for anyone who has a problem with its Sp attack)
    X-Scissor
    Iron Head
    Reversal
    Faint Attack/Aerial Ace

    Partner: Generally any pokemon that can be use against Fire-types, espically one's that know Drizzle or Rain Dance.
    Bug-resistant pokemon that knows Trick Room like Spinda, Stantler (espically with Intimidate), Dusknoir, Chadelure, and Jellicent. There are others, but these are the most recommended.

    Countering: Highly-defensive Fire-type Pokemon like Torkoal, Magcargo, or Heat Rotom.
    Pokemon with abilities and/or items that does damage on contact like Rough Skin, Iron Barbs, Flame Body, Mummy, or Rocky Helmet.
    Will-o-wisp and Counter can really do a number to the physical-focused pokemon.
    Cofagrigus can be useful with Trick Room, Will-o-wisp, and Night Shade.
     
    Last edited: Nov 18, 2011
  12. Zachmac

    Zachmac Well-Known Member

    I disagree. Moves aren't all that matter for a mixed attacker, stats must be good in both offensive. I don't think 60 and 135 are as comparable as Salamence's 110 and 135.

    Just think, how much damage would a special attack from it do anyway?

    An unboosted X-scissor will do more damage then a +1 Bug Buzz. Now, to compare Megahorn and a +1 bug buzz...

    ....Or are you also trolling?
    I know giving a serious response to this post seams stupid, but I'd like to say Volcarona outclasses it's bug type special sets(as that's nothing but Bug Buzz), and in the future, Genesect.

    If it has any Niche, I guess it's just sheer power in Mega Horn. That's the only reason to use it over scizor at all.
    Don't use Swords Dance in trick room. It waste a whole turn, SD is only for outside of TR.

    And Megahorn over X-Scissor, with the little time you have to sweep, you'll want that power.
     
    Last edited: Nov 17, 2011
  13. Kraleck

    Kraleck Well-Known Member

    I'm dead serious, sir/madam, unlike some of the trolls here.

    With proper support (i.e. Rain), you can do something with what little you have on Special against Fire Types. It can prevent them from walling you as solidly as you may think they should. It'll also mess with the opponent's head (mind games are as powerful as the team behind it).

    However, without Rain support, Escav' should stick to Attack and brute force. Escav's Sp.Atk is only useful if you can make it so (unlikely with other weather available, but possible)...
     
  14. Dude...Specscavalier was just a joke. A really bad joke. No, running Escavalier in Rain with HP Water is not worth it to do hit a Fire type with a "sneak attack". For example, Escavalier in the rain with Modest 252 SpA will rarely 2HKO Volcarona with HP Water (if it doesn't set up QD) unless it runs LO or Specs, which is just terrible. Heck, CB Megahorn does more damage.
     
  15. Blue Harvest

    Blue Harvest Banned

    CB 252 Megahorn vs 0/0 Volcarona does 75.6% - 89.1%.
    Specs 252 HP Water does 71.4% - 84.2% in the rain.

    So its useless lol.
     
  16. Wire

    Wire Banned

    I faced that on PO lol
     
  17. EmeraldGoblin

    EmeraldGoblin Rehab, no. Dead.

    *megahorn hits* burned. what now? ;egg;
     
  18. Blue Harvest

    Blue Harvest Banned

    I call hax, type some random racial slur all in caps, then ragequit.
     
  19. Zachmac

    Zachmac Well-Known Member

    It's ability doesn't alway burn, but you're actually going to was precious EVs on special attack for an attack for Volcarona, which'll do less damage anyway.

    Think about it. HP water is super effective and boosted by the rain, but yet it still does less damage then a resisted Megahorn. That's kind of useless, except on Heatran, but even it the rain, heatran's fire blast will still have 360 power after adding STAB, type matchup, and rain weakening it. I'm not going to do a calculation, but 360 power coming from 130 attack seems pretty bad.

    And Charizard/Moltres? Sure, they both x4 resist Megahorn too, but how common are they in OU again? They're crippled by stealth rock anyway.

    Oh, and most Volcarona would try to take advantage of it and use quiver dance, making HP water do even less damage.

    Finally, if you are using it in the rain, why use HP water when you can just swap in a water type? Or are you actually using rain without one?

    Edit: It looks like LoZ Skyward Sword is coming out in Sunday in North America...Kind of funny how the POTW will change to a warrior then.
     
    Last edited: Nov 19, 2011
  20. Kraleck

    Kraleck Well-Known Member

    A few things could happen, though:
    -Your Water Type is too weak to survive another hit (or worse, KO'd)
    -You could be Burned by WoW or a damaging Fire-Type Move on a switch
    -Pokemon with Intimidate could drop your Attack a few times and possibly carry Fire Type Moves (Arbok, Arcanine, Tauros, Mawile, Salamence, Staraptor*, Luxray, Stoutland)
    -You face a high Defense-low Sp.Def Fire Type (Torkoal or Magcargo)
    -You face a high Defense-low Sp.Def Pokemon that resists Bug Type Moves in-general (Aggron, Skarmory, Steelix, Golem, Gigalith)
    -Cofagrigus enters hoping to screw you out of further Bug-Type Move boosts or Critical Hit blocking
    -Counter and Metal Burst users could 1KO you from Megahorn use
    -You could miss entirely (Megahorn's accuracy is 85% and you could be further hindered by Muddy Water, Mud Bomb, or a lucky enemy's Acupressure)

    Protecting your Attack from hindrance is as important as KOing any Pokemon that can hinder it. Without your key offensive stat, you will have a ton of issues. Rain + HP (Water) is a safety net.

    * Doesn't carry Fire Type Moves outside of a random Heat Wave, but it's very unlikely.
     
    Last edited: Nov 19, 2011
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