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Community POTW #51

Discussion in 'POTW Collaboration' started by Serebii, Dec 18, 2011.

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  1. Serebii

    Serebii And, as if by magic, the webmaster appeared... Staff Member Admin

    Right guys, time for the Pokémon that will go live on December 25th

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    http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-bw/225.shtml

    It's Delibird. Delibird got an amazing new Hidden Ability and has the most diverse level up learnset in the game.

    Go nuts.

    Merry Christmas
     
  2. Usatoday

    Usatoday Eternal God

    FIRST
    [​IMG] @ Power Herb
    Nature Jolly
    Ability Hustle
    Evs 252 atk 252 spd 6 hp
    Sky Attack
    Seed Bomb
    Ice Punch
    Fake Out
     
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  3. NNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO i lost out by one minute on being first... anyway, delibird: the most amazing pokemon in the game!! the best pokemon.... at being HORRIBLE. delibird is one of the worst pokemon FOR SURElook at its stats: mediocre all around. i would never recommend using it. NEVER:

    delibird@ air balloon
    -splash
    -no attack
    -no attack
    -no attack
    air balloon to cover its flying weakness... OOPS :p spash to cover its fire weakness... OOPS AGAIN :p

    okay, i'm not that mean:
    Give the Gift of choice this Christmas:
    delibird@choice band
    ability: hustle
    252 attack 252 speed 4 hp jolly/adamant nature
    -ice punch
    -aerial ace
    -brick break/seed bomb/ice shard
    -brick break/seed bomb/ice shard

    the set speaks for itself....
     
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  4. TimmahX

    TimmahX Well-Known Member

    Abilities

    Vital Spirit: Sleep immunity is very nice against threats that run around with Sleep Powder and Hypnosis in the NU, few though they may be. It certainly has its uses.
    Hustle: Sacrifices accuracy to booster Attack. With moves like Ice Shard and Focus Punch, Delibird can certainly put this to good use.
    Insomnia: Sleep immunity is very nice against threats that run around with Sleep Powder and Hypnosis in the NU, few though they may be. It certainly has its uses. This description feels familiar.



    Christmas Town Beatdown
    Item: Choice Band / Life Orb
    Ability: Hustle
    EVs and Nature: 252 Atk, 252 Spd, 4 HP and Adamant / Jolly

    - Ice Shard
    - Focus Punch
    - Substitute (Life Orb Only) / Other Options
    - Rapid Spin

    Delibird is certainly a hard Pokemon to pull off, but it does have its uses. The priority STAB attack Ice Shard backed by Choice Band or Life Orb and Hustle can really dent things in the NU. Focus Punch can certainly work on Delibird with a bit of prediction, and SubPunch can be done as well. Rapid Spin gives Delibird a utility move that can certainly be of use in any tier really.

    Other Options

    - Seed Bomb: Catches some Water types that may try to wall it.
    - Fake Out: A free hit usually sounds good, but Hustle does cut its accuracy, so it becomes a little less than free.
    - Aerial Ace: A Flying STAB attack.
    - Brick Break: Breaks Screens, which I guess is nice.
    - Ice Punch: A stronger STAB attack.
     
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  5. The3DOstrich

    The3DOstrich Member

    YES! Only the best Ice / Flying around.

    HUSTLER!
    Delibird @ Choice Band
    Nature: Jolly / Adamant
    Ability: Hustle
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
    ~ Ice Punch
    ~ Aerial Ace / Ice Shard
    ~ Brick Break / Focus Punch
    ~ Seed Bomb

    Hustle gives him pretty good attack, especially after the CB boost. Too bad he misses so much. Ice Punch is STAB, hurts Grass-types. Aerial Ace does the same, but neve misses. Ice Shard gives you STAB priority however to cure your rather lackluster Speed (better if using Adamant). Brick Break hits Steels, but Focus Punch smashes them if you predict a switch in to a Steel who think's you'll Ice Punch. Seed Bomb hits bulky Waters, and can snag some surprising KO's.

    Quick Attack is a possibility if you want to hit things that resist Ice with priority, and if you want to use a Life Orb over Choice Band, Fake Out is possible. Another option is Gunk Shot, but you already hit Grass-types with your STAB, and its accuracy is abysmal after Hustle. Rapid Spin can clear the field of Rocks.

    Gets a decent special movepool too.

    Delibird @ Choice Specs
    Nature: Timid / Modest
    Ability: Vital Spirit / Insomnia
    Evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
    ~ Ice Beam / Blizzard
    ~ Hidden Power [Electric] / [Fire]
    ~ Water Pulse
    ~ Signal Beam

    Ok... maybe not such a good movepool. Ice Beam or Blizzard for STAB, latter to be used in Hail. Hidden Power Electric hits Waters, while HP Fire hits Steels. Water Pulse hits Fire-types for... some damage. Signal Beam is pretty much the last decent special move it learns, and hits Psychics.
     
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  6. grantholomew

    grantholomew accually is dolan

    Delibird is…a bird…who runs a deli…and works for Santa?
    [​IMG]
    Hardcore Delibird Set
    Delibird @ Poison Barb/Iron Ball/Ring Target
    Trait: Insomnia
    EVs: Whatever
    Whatever Nature
    - Present
    - Splash
    -
    -
    Like the set name says, this is hardcore. Takes full advantage of Delibird’s new ability, because frankly, his old one sucks.

    Actual Delibird Set
    Delibird @ Leftovers
    Trait: Hustle
    EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spd
    Adamant (+Atk, -SAtk)
    - Ice Punch
    - Ice Shard
    - Aerial Ace/Brick Break/Focus Punch
    - Rapid Spin/Present
    So…if you like Santa then Delibird is the bird-thing for you. Ice Punch and Ice Shard are STAB, and Ice Shard has priority. Aerial Ace is also STAB, but there’s Brick Break or Focus Punch for coverage. Rapid Spin can make Delibird useful, otherwise go with Present JUST CUZ. I know Delibird’s Special Attak is by definition higher, but he’s generally got better physical attacks, hence Hustle. Merry Christmas, yo
     
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  7. Monster Guy

    Monster Guy Fairy Tale Man

    I sense sarcasm.
     
  8. Sceptile Leaf Blade

    Sceptile Leaf Blade Well-Known Member

    *looks at stats*

    HP: Atrocious
    Attack: Sucks
    Defence: Atrocious
    Sp.Atk: Sucks a bit
    Sp.Def: Atrocious
    Speed: Poor

    what can this thing actually hope to achieve? Perhaps it got a useful new ability. Oh wait, it's Insomnia, which does EXACTLY THE SAME THING as vital spirit does that it already had. It's Delibirds destiny to be weak, set upon it by Gamefreak, just like they did with Unown and Luvdisc.

    Anyways, Reno, in your Fake Out set for Hitmonlee you also have Sucker Punch. Sucker Punch and Unburden are incompatible, Unburden is a 5th gen ability while Sucker Punch is a 4th gen only move. And you forgot to mention Endure-Reversal, a trick that Lee does well because of its high speed with an Unburden boost leaving its held item free to be a Liechi berry for an attack boost. With Unburden, it outruns so much its insane. Adamant unburden Lee outruns up to base 130s with a choice scarf if they don't have a speed boosting nature, as well as the entire game without a scarf. Jolly unburden Lee outruns up to base 150s with a choice scarf if they don't have a speed boosting nature, as well as everything with a scarf at base 130, even with a speed boosting nature.
     
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  9. Sala-imence

    Sala-imence Rock type trainer

    Delibird

    Support Delivery

    Item: Focus Sash
    Nature: Jolly
    EVs: 252 Spd / 252 HP / 4 Atk
    Ability: Vital Spirit
    Moveset:
    - Ice Shard
    - Brick Break
    - Theif
    - Protect

    I really stuggled to find anything decent. But Delibird is a fun pokemon to use. Basically, this set is good for annoying the opponent and so crippling it ready for a team mate to take it out. Hustle is not needed here, even with the power boost, it does not make a major difference. You just need your moves to hit. So vital spirit. (It has an overworld effect unlike insomnia)

    Ice shard: A STAB priority move. Your finishing off move, if you live that long.
    Brick Break: Reflect/Lightscreen = gone.
    Theif: Once your item is gone, just take the opponents!
    Protect: You never know when it will come in handy. (Explosion, surf, etc)
     
  10. Missingno. Master

    Missingno. Master Poison-type Trainer

    Hey! My prediction for this week was right!

    A Choice Band Christmas
    Delibird@Choice Band
    Adamant nature
    Hustle
    252 Atk/252 Spd/4 HP
    ~Ice Shard/Ice Punch
    ~Aerial Ace
    ~Seed Bomb
    ~Brick Break

    Ebeneezer Scrooge works for GameFreak. It's the only explanation as to why the Pokémon based off of Santa Claus sucks so hard. Base 55 Attack stat is horrible. So why, you might be wondering, am I suggesting a Choice Band set? Because of Delibird's Hustle ability, which acts like a second Choice Band boost, at the cost of a little accuracy. Aerial Ace is a crucial move, as it benefits from Hustle's Attack boost, but isn't hindered by the Accuracy drop. Ice Punch is the more powerful of its two Ice-type STABs, but Ice Shard helps to circumvent its Arceus-awful Speed (base 75; sadly its highest stat). The other two moves are for whatever coverage they can provide.

    Item and ability are essential for making Delibird's Attack stat not suck.

    I Want A Wobbuffet For Christmas
    Delibird@Focus Sash
    Lonely nature
    Vital Spirit
    252 HP/252 Atk/4 Spd
    ~Counter
    ~Quick Attack

    Delibird gets Counter through Generation III move tutors, which means it can attempt to pull this off. The idea is simple. Bring in Delibird when something else faints to a physical attacker, and select Counter. As long as there's no Stealth Rock or Sandstorm in play, and your opponent isn't Cloyster, Counter should knock out the opponent. Quick Attack is good for additional damage. You may be tempted to add Ice Shard to this, but as a Generation IV and on egg move, it's illegal with Counter.

    Item is obvious. Ability is so Hustle doesn't make Counter miss.

    Other options:
    *Don't be tempted to use Delibird's signature move of Present. Anything that has the potential to heal the opponent is a big no-no.
    *Delibird gets Rapid Spin, but these days, a good Spinner kinda has to be able to, oh, how shall I put this... live long enough to use the move. Not only does Delibird have defenses that induce uncontrollable facepalming in their trainers, but the fact that half their HP is wiped out by the mere presence of Stealth Rock makes the idea of using it for Rapid Spin laughable.
    *Focus Punch is a powerful option, but if Delibird takes a hit, it'll probably faint before it has a chance to lose its focus.
    *Avalanche is a powerful option, but it relies on Delibird doing exactly what it was not built to do; take a hit. It could go on the Counter set, but without Hustle or a Choice Band, don't expect much of it.
    *Oh, yeah. This thing. Can be bred. To get SPLASH. What the **** is up with that?!

    Abilities:
    *Hustle: The one thing that stops Delibird from totally sucking, and even then, it's very iffy. Ups its Attack by x1.5, and lowers the accuracy of its physical moves by 20%. It would make Aerial Ace an unstoppable force if Delibird had the power to pull it off.
    *Vital Spirit: Prevents Delibird from sleeping. Useful on the Counter set because you can't afford to have Counter miss due to Hustle.
    *Insomnia: Delibird's Hidden Ability, and a giant middle finger from Gamefreak. Seriously, what were they smoking? Delibird already has, as they say on GameFAQs... VITAL MOTHER****ING SPIRIT! Insomnia and Vital Spirit are EXACTLY THE SAME! Here they had an opportunity to give Delibird an ability that could actually help it somewhat. Like, oh, say, Magic Guard? But no! They have to capitalize on its already sad uselessness by giving it an exact copy of an ability it's had for the past two generations!

    Partners:
    Smashpassers, dual screeners, Rapid Spinners, Tailwind, the whole nine yards. Using Delibird requires a buttload of support from the rest of the team to make it work. Though using an entire team to support one sucky Pokémon sounds like a lot of unpleasant work, the results can be amusing. I remember back in the days of Netbattle, I managed to pull off an Azurill sweep after much Baton Passing.

    Counters:
    Just play normally. Your team as it stands probably works just fine to counter Delibird.

    Opinion:
    I'm a big fan of the underdog, and Delibird is just that. The concept is awesome, but they just made it suck so bad.

    Prediction for next week:
    Weezing
     
    Last edited: Dec 18, 2011
  11. grantholomew

    grantholomew accually is dolan

    No way, man. He's telling the truth. Delibird is super hardcore. Hence my hardcore Delibird set.
     
  12. KYOGRE-D

    KYOGRE-D Well-Known Member

    Delibird is obviously ubers standard; especially whilst comparing its new ability to its old ones ;). OK, so this think sucks, we all know. bad stats all round, you'd only use this poke if you were planning to lose spectacularly, even in NU.

    Delibird@Choice Scarf
    Adamant Nature
    Hustle/Insomnia (never use vital spirit over insomnia, for obvious reasons...)
    252 speed/252 atk/4hp
    -Ice Punch
    -Aerial Ace
    -Frost Breath/Ice Ball
    -Ice Shard/Brick Break

    Ice Punch for an *ahem* "strong" STAB, Aerial Ace to get Hustle boost and not miss, Frost Breath to KO on the special side - STAB and critical hit is OK. Ice Shard for Priority, if you want it, or Brick Break to do a tincy wincy bit more damage to steels, like it really matters.

    Magikarp used Splash! Delibird fainted...
    -
     
  13. Kraleck

    Kraleck Well-Known Member

    Options
    *uncontrollable laughter for 10 minutes*
    Okay, *ahem* seriously, Delibird's only decent options come from 4th Gen or earlier. Frost Breath is a nifty new toy for the Santa bird, as well as Round, despite the gimmick factor.

    If you're breeding for a certain Hidden Power and trying to avoid Hustle, a Female DW Delibird will help you get a better chance of Insomnia or its twin. As to Hustle itself, you can go with Swift, Focus Punch, Blizzard (with active Hail), or anything with Wide Lens/Zoom Lens.

    The biggest factor in Delibird's favor is the WTF-psych-out factor. Combined with Status Effects (Toxic and Swagger), you can do a little bit of annoyance with your opponent's lowered psychological defenses.

    Then again, one of Delibird's best options is to STAY IN THE BOX AND OUTSIDE OF BATTLE.
     
  14. KYOGRE-D

    KYOGRE-D Well-Known Member

    oh yeah... counters: Roggenrola, Stealth Rock, Boldore, Stealth Rock, Pikachu, Stealth Rock, Raichu, Pichu, Stealth Rock, Emolga, Stealth Rock, geodude, Magikarp, Stealth Rock, Nosepass, Sudowoodo, Probopass, pretty much all other 648 pokemon (except maybe hoppip) - oh, and Stealth Rock. Did I mention that?
     
  15. SwiftGrovyle

    SwiftGrovyle Cunning one

    Don't dis the Delibird, guys. It's cuuuuuuuute!
    No but seriously though, just because it's not an awesome Ou, this guy is fun on baton pass teams, Nu, and a monster in Little cup.(and by baton pass teams, I mean it's the one you baton the goodies into.)


    I'll be back with my set soon.


    Ps. Reno- Hitomonlee can't learn sucker punch and have the Dw ability unburden. Better fix that, quick.
     
  16. KYOGRE-D

    KYOGRE-D Well-Known Member

    I don't think delibird can evolve, so it cant be on LC. Just saying. Also, Delibird needs an incredible amount of support - hail would be good, partners need to get rid of threats (most of the tier) and i think archeops is NU last time i checked, so archeops would eat it alive
     
  17. RockPaperScizor

    RockPaperScizor Yanmegalomaniac

    So, delibird, the santa-bird with one pitiful move.
    Delibird is really good, but only because there is a chance that the opposing team could use it. Its best stat is its speed, which just about sneaks into the "quite bad" category, and all Gen 5 really brought it was some new abilitytext.

    Here goes nothing:
    SURPRISING CHOICE FOR CHRISTMAS POTW:
    Item-Choice band
    Ability-Hustle
    -Ice punch/Avalanche if you feel lucky
    -Focus punch
    -Ice shard
    -Aerial ace
    Ivs: Attack, then Hp if avalanche (Focus punch and Ice shard will have priority anyway, so speed is not really needed), and speed if Ice punch.
     
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  18. Missingno. Master

    Missingno. Master Poison-type Trainer

    Delibird isn't eligible for Little Cup, because it doesn't have an evolution.
     
  19. Blue Harvest

    Blue Harvest Banned

    I lol'd.

    Anyhow Delibird obviously sucks and the only reason you would use it is for a joke Christmas team since the "rapid spinning recovering ice type" was outdone by the snowflake. It gets Hustle but that only gives it 107 base attack. You could maybe run Power Herb Sky Attack with Ice Shard.

    Or you can use a real Pokemon.
     
  20. Sucker_Punch

    Sucker_Punch Well-Known Member

    I've often thought Delibird was cool.
    I was wrong.
    SHALL WE HAVE A CHRISTMAS THEMED SET?!

    [​IMG]Time for presents, and exchanging kisses...


    Delibird@Flame Orb/Toxic Orb/Iron Ball/Choice Item/ Anything else you think you could annoy you're opponent by Flinging or Bestowing.
    Adamant/ Jolly Nature
    Hustle/ Insomnia
    252Atk/252Spd/4HP (not that it matters at all, you're still going to be destroyed pretty quickly)
    -Fling
    -Bestow
    -Present
    -Ice Punch/ Ice Shard/ Anything else.

    Just spread a smile this yule time, as well as manic laughter that you're using Delibird. Just Fling whatever you're holding, or Bestow it if you're certain the opponent is carrying no item. Present could potentially be a strong attack with 120bp... Ice Punch/ Shard/ whatever is basically there so you have an attack once you've flung/ don't trust present. So yeah... Happy Christmas!
     
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