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Community POTW #69

Discussion in 'POTW Collaboration' started by Serebii, Apr 22, 2012.

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  1. Serebii

    Serebii And, as if by magic, the webmaster appeared... Staff Member Admin

  2. grantholomew

    grantholomew accually is dolan

    First! Uh Vespiquen. The defensive Pokémon with really bad defensive typing. Prepare the bee puns…
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    You’ve Gotta Bee Kidding Me
    Vespiquen @ Leftovers
    Trait: Pressure
    EVs: 248 HP/132 Def/128 SDef
    Impish (+Def, -SDef)
    - Attack Order
    - Toxic
    - Heal Order/Roost
    - Protect/Defend Order

    Biggest counter? STEALTH ROCK.

    On an unrelated note, I'd like to point out that we got Vespiquen for POTW #69
     
    Last edited: Apr 22, 2012
  3. TimmahX

    TimmahX Well-Known Member

    Queen of Originality

    Item: Leftovers
    Ability: Pressure
    EV: 252 HP, 72 Def, 184 SDef
    Nature: Relaxed

    - Attack Order
    - Roost
    - Toxic
    - HP [Ground]

    The reason why this is literally a copy-paste from the 4th Generation set is because this is still the best set that Vespiquen can run. Attack Order is a reliable STAB attack, Roost heals you and removes your pesky Flying half for a turn, Toxic beats down walls, and HP [Ground] beats out Heatran.

    Defense Order was dropped as an option because there are much better Defense boosters out there now, like Sigilyph. And because Heatran removal is too important.

    Acrobatic Tank

    Item: Flying Gem
    Ability: Pressure
    EV: 252 HP, 72 Def, 184 SDef
    Nature: Impish

    - Attack Order
    - Acrobatics
    - Roost
    - Defense Order

    Now for something different. Attack Order and Roost for reliable offense and healing, yada yada. Acrobatics + Flying Gem makes for a strong secondary STAB, and with Defense Order and Roost, it's possible to turn Vespiquen into a bulky sweeper.

    Though to be fair, an Acrobatics sweeper is very outclassed by Archeops, Drifblim and Mienshao, amongst others.
     
  4. deoxysdude94

    deoxysdude94 Just bought a Switch :D

    Yes! Vespiquen! She is one of my all time favorite pokemon. don't have puns, but I have movesets...

    The Weirdest Moveset I've ever posted

    Vespiquen@leftovers
    Relaxed/Sassy Nature
    EV's: Max def and sp def


    Attack Order
    Defend Order
    Heal Order
    Substitute


    Yes xD I did just do this.
     
  5. dragon zero

    dragon zero Member

    its only good set i think

    Defend Order
    Heal Order/Roost
    Toxic
    Attack Order

    Ability: Pressure
    Item: Leftovers
    Nature: Careful 252 HP, 180 Sp.def, 76Def or Speed

    straight forward really. defend order boosts both defences whilst helping vespiquen stall out toxic and pressure. both heal order and roost resore half her health choose which ever. roost maybe prefered as it temporaly removes her flying type is less damage from rock moves especially. attack order to stop her being taunt bait.
     
  6. Sceptile Leaf Blade

    Sceptile Leaf Blade Well-Known Member

    Any use to this thing? I don't think so. Any defensive hopes are just drilled into the ground by its terrible speed and double stealth rock weakness, and any offensive hopes are annihilated by its lack of a movepool. Seriously, it gets Attack Order, which is its strongest bug move, and other than that it gets U-turn, another bug move, and it gets Aerial Ace and Pursuit, and its special movepool is even worse, consisting of Silver Wind, Sludge Bomb (which has terrible coverage combined with bug moves), Air Cutter, and Ominious Wind. It is completely outclassed. Scyther is much better as an offensive bug (it has a movepool, speed, and offensive stats). As a defensive bug it is outclassed by Shuckle, and as a supporter and status inflicter it is outclassed somewhat by Butterfree and a lot by Venomoth, both of which get sleep powder and better speed. You don't want to be outclassed by Butterfree.
     
  7. Dragalge

    Dragalge This is more than 20 characters long

    There is really only one set that makes Vespiquen stand out SubRoost but the best way to kill her is phazing with Stealth Rock up. Aggron is a perfect example as it gets Dragon Tail and stealth rock to take out her throne.

    Pre-evo: Seriously? Combee has bad stats. What can it due? Tailwind, Just use Paras or Nincada
     
    Last edited: Apr 22, 2012
  8. wunderkind

    wunderkind <- The PMG

    So, yeah, I've read 7 posts, and it already covers everything Vespiquen can do. It can't do much out of its obvious set, and Combee has nothing worth using... So there's nothing else worth mentioning from what I can tell... >.>
     
  9. Vega07

    Vega07 New Member

    Vespiquen is a poke with a lot more option than people give it credit for. Yes the weakness to Stealth Rock is Brutal, but perhaps there is more to her Highness than people give her credit for. When I look at other movesets I see a glaring similarity, People only see her physical Side. Well what about Special Attacks. So for you viewing Pleasure I present, Vespiquen (The Special attack user.)

    Beecause She Said So.

    Nature: Bold
    Ability: Pressure
    EVs: 252 Hp, 252 Special Attack, 4 Special Defense
    Moves: Signal Beam, Toxic, Roost, Venoshock
    Item: Leftovers
     
  10. Kraleck

    Kraleck Well-Known Member

    Vespiquen. I love this Pokemon, but hate using her. She has a great Ability with Pressure and sweet Base 102 defenses to use it, but average HP and attacks. Base 40 Speed gives you good Trick Room Speed, but not great Trick Room Speed.

    She has some good Moves, but not a lot of good Moves. Roost makes her a pure Bug Type, but Stealth Rock hits her for half-max HP. Hone Claws is a waste due to most of her Moves being either too accurate to need the Accuracy buff or Fury Swipes. She can go Physical, Special, or Mixed, but has limited Move Types, barring Hidden Power.

    Overall, there are many other Bug Types to use for offense, but far less that can do any kind of tanking. Escavalier puts her to shame with better Trick Room Speed, huge Attack, and slightly better defenses with a quad-weakness to Fire instead of Rock.
     
  11. Ttar's stone edge

    Ttar's stone edge League Legend

    There is gonna bee a lot of shitty puns. Just saying now. I don't have a lot of sets to post sadly. Never used this thing, although i can say hazards will need to be off the field. Just saying.
     
  12. Charizard Lizzy

    Charizard Lizzy BARRELS!!!

    Signal Beam + Venoshock deal super-effective damage to: Grass, Psychic, and Dark-types = 3/15 types

    Types that resist this combo: Fire, Fighting, Poison (both moves), Flying, Ghost (both moves), Steel (both moves), Ground, and Rock = 8 TYPES!!!

    This is why people only see Vespiquen for her Physical movepool. Her Special movepool is downright horrendous.
     
  13. Serpentine

    Serpentine Pokemon Breeder

    Vespiquen is one of my favorite Pokemon! it's a shame she isn't used more in competitive play. One problem is her poor typing, however, she does have a wide variety of moves that do make her a very good wall. She's pretty slow but that's normal for walls. Her attacking movepool is kind of shallow, however, Attack Order is one of the strongest Bug move in the game. Strongest Physical one though. Why she can't learn Bug Buzz confuses me. She's a bee. And odder things can learn it. Apparantly you need wings and Sewaddle of all things can learn it.

    Honey's Sweet. I'm Not.
    Pressure
    Relaxed
    Leftovers
    HP 252/Def 128/Sp Def 128

    Attack Order/Taunt
    Defend Order
    Heal Order
    Toxic

    This is a set I would use. Defend Order raises both of your defenses. Then Toxic cripples the opponent slowly. Heal Order is reliable recovery. Then Attack Order's there because it's your strongest STAB. Another option is Taunt, but you're kind of slow so there isn't much point to it.

    Other Options
    Roost is good since it can get rid of your Flying type and you'd be less threatened by Rocks.

    Endeavor is also good with a Focus Sash in Singles. It's really slow so you're almost guaranteed an Endeavor that'll bring the opponent to 1 HP. Although her defenses are high you could always bring her in on some kind of Fire-type like Heatran or especially something like a fighting type or rock types because they all carry some kind of Stone Edge or whatever. However, she lacks priority moves so you could switch out or something or let her faint.

    Secret Power's good because it can put the opponent to sleep.
     
  14. ClefairyRox

    ClefairyRox Nintendo Fan

    My sister liked Vespiquen in her Pearl game. Sadly, this bee's typing and stats match up poorly competitively. First of all, it has the very overused Bug/Flying combination. This means Vespiquen has a lot to compete with - there are 8 or so other Bug/Flying Pokemon. This typing is also poor defensively. Stealth Rocks utterly slay you, cutting off 50% of your HP. You also have weaknesses to numerous types: Fire, Flying, Electric, Ice, and a 4x Rock weakness. This is really counterintuitive, since Vespi's best stats are her Defense and Sp. Defense (although it does break her from the mold of Bug/Flyings) It's not all bad for Vespiquen though. She has high resistance to Fighting and Grass, and floats right over Ground attacks. Her ability works well with her stat distribution. However, I wouldn't recommend using her outside of NU.

    Recommended tier: NU

    Pressure is a cool ability that causes a foe to lose 2 PP for every attack they use. On a defensive Pokemon like Vespiquen, this is even more valuable.
    Unnerve prevents the foe from using their berries. This is basically useless; berries are rare outside of Little Cup.

    Any good defensive Pokemon needs reliable recovery, and Roost from 4th gen is Vespi's best. Not only does it heal her by 50%, it also removes her Flying typing and many of her weaknesses. Heal Order provides the same healing, but doesn't remove the Flying type, making Roost superior. Vespiquen can also provide team support with Tailwind or Toxic a foe. She gets Destiny Bond, but is much too slow to use it. Defend Order allows her to stall (and works well with Pressure) but you will inevitably be crit.

    Vespiquen's offensive stats are unexceptional at base 80 each, but that's still enough to do some decent damage. Her best STAB attack is Attack Order thanks to a decently high base 90 power and a high critical hit ratio. Unfortunatelty, Vespiquen has little else to work with. Aerial Ace, Acrobatics, Sludge Bomb, Venoshock, Hidden Power, Power Gem, Signal Beam, Pursuit and Return/Frustration make up the rest of her usable attacking movepool. It's pretty sad.

    Double and Triples: I don't recommend Vespi for Doubles and Triples. There isn't a whole lot she can do, and she's vulnerable to Rock Slide, Heat Wave, and Blizzard.

    Countering Vespiquen: Stealth Rock. Rocks MURDER Vespiquen. Rock type attacks are also very effective. You can also use Toxic to take her down, especially if she stalls. Many other attack types are also supereffective.
     
  15. Charizard Lizzy

    Charizard Lizzy BARRELS!!!

    *Sigh* Vespiquen. Just... no. All this poor thing wants to be is a tank. But in the end Vespiquen is plagued with the worst possible type combination for a defensive-minded Pokémon: Bug-Flying, which is weak to 6 types and has a double weakness to Stealth Rock. I wish I could say the base 102 Defense and Special Defense and having Pressure as an ability is great, but her typing and especially her horrible base 40 Speed is where she falls flat on her face. If she does get to attack, it may sting a little, but otherwise with base 80 Attack and Special the opponent will most likely shrug it off.

    HURR DURR I KNOW USE SOAK ON HER! :B
    Hey, just a thought...

    Abilities:
    Pressure - doubles the PP usage of the opponent’s attacks. Always a nice ability, and at the very least Vespiquen will waste the opponent’s PP just a little more.

    Unnerve - Seriously, this was the best you could give to Vespiquen, Game Freak? The opponent can’t use its held berry. Whoop-de-USELESS.

    ;416;
    BEEEEEES!
    Item: Leftovers
    Ability: Pressure
    EVs: 252 HP / 128 Def / 128 Sp. Def
    Nature: Relaxed (+Def, -Spd) / Sassy (+Sp. Def, -Spd)

    - Attack Order
    - Roost
    - Toxic / Defend Order
    - Hidden Power [Ground]

    Attack Order gets STAB and is Vespiquen’s strongest Bug attack. Roost is the preferred healing option as Vespiquen will temporarily loose her Flying-type, which could come in handy. Toxic slowly drains the opponent’s health, while Defend Order boosts both her Defense and Special Defense. Hidden Power Ground gets rid of Fire, Rock, Electric, and Steel types, all of which pose a threat to Vespiquen otherwise.

    Biggest issues with this set? No Flying-type coverage. At all.


    Other Options:
    Aerial Ace or Acrobatics could be used for Flying STAB.

    Destiny Bond will drag the opponent down with Vespiquen, although her slow Speed may not make it as reliable. Note that if Destiny Bond is not activated the first turn it’s used, it will carry out for one more turn.

    Signal Beam is Vespiquen’s strongest Special Bug attack.

    Venoshock could be used in tandem with Toxic for extra damage. However, if paired with a Bug move it gives you one of the worst possible coverage combos in the world.

    Tailwind is one of Vespiquen’s few decent support options. She might be a little too slow to pull it off in time, but it’s still worth mentioning.
     
  16. philzone

    philzone Ready for trumpets

    Vespiquen 1
    Relaxed
    Heal order
    Toxic
    Venoshock
    Hp fire/fighting
    Item:leftovers
    Evs:252 hp,252 def,4 sp def
    Ability pressure
    Nice set this one. Simple,yet use in trick room. Hp fire for skarmory,hp fighting for heatran
     
  17. UbersSuck20

    UbersSuck20 #FreeGenesect

    The best counter to Vespiquen is Stealth Rock. Sure, there are other walls weak to SR(see Regice),but Regice is only 2x weak, while being cursed with a quad-weakness to Stealth Rock...ouch. Especially if you're a wall. Aside from that, rock-types such as Rampardos scare Vespiquen with their powerful Stone Edge or Head Smash. Unaware Quagsire and Bastiodon wall Vespiquen all day. The former can set up on her with Curse or simply burn it with Scald, while the latter can Roar it or attack with Stone Edge and is immune to Toxic. However, both need to watch out if Vespiquen managed to use Substitute. Weezing can do the same, resisting Attack Order and retaliate with Toxic or Fire Blast. Swellow can switch into Toxic and proceed to obliterate the queen with Brave Bird. Finally, Charizard laughs at Attack Order and can eat Vespiquen with Fire Blast, but needs to watch out for Toxic, especially since Charizard also has a 4x weakness to Stealth Rock.
     
    Last edited: Apr 22, 2012
  18. GirlKirbyZombie

    GirlKirbyZombie Pokemon Rancher

    Since I battled one and used one in the Battle Factory, I knew it had great potential since defensive bug/flying types are hard to come by. However... Male combees need an evo. Here's one I made. http://browse.deviantart.com/?qh=&section=&global=1&q=girlkirby+fakemon#/d2lnqbb

    Anyways, lets move onto a moveset!

    Supporting Queen
    Nature: Relaxing
    EVs: 252 HP, 189 Def, 67 Sp. Def
    Ability: Pressure for sure!
    Item: Lefties
    Moves:
    Tail Wind/Heal Order
    Defog
    Struggle Bug
    Defend Order/Protect

    This set assists pokemon with low special defense like Slowbro. Best used if you had a leech seeder before-hand so Vespiquen can heal up even more.
    Do not use tailwind in a trick room team.
     
    Last edited: Apr 22, 2012
  19. Ilan

    Ilan Well-Known Member

    Ussop! you deserve a medal One Piece :3

    How IS vespiqueen classic? it is a DPPT pokemon...

    ok stealth rock weakness,bad speed subpar offenses
    bad movepool bar her signature moves... yep that's vespiqueen..
    should be used defensively! the only bug type which is also defensively that's why it is horrible.

    Don't use it... just not.
    even if it set up defend order at +2 it can STILL be poisoned

    I will try to put an offensive set because it have decent defenses which can take some punch from banded sawk locked into close combat?

    An attempt for being offensive as her typing don't let it be defensive..
    @ leftovers/Life Orb
    252 HP, 252 Attack,4 defense
    Adamant/Brave (if trick room 0 speed IVs)
    Pressure
    -Roost
    -Return
    -Attack Order
    -Hone Claws/aerial ace/U-turn

    Roost heals life orb and it's movepool is horrible...
    Return the same horrible movepool it is physical natural choice.
    Attack Order is STAB and a signature move.
    Hone Claws so you actually boost but I still won't see ANY claws.. Aerial Ace is another STab a weak one though.. U-turn scouts...

    Parthners: a spinner! and a new team don't use it it is horrible... most fighting pokemon have stone edge anyway...
    counters: Anything with a rock move
     
    Last edited: Apr 22, 2012
  20. nanoomega

    nanoomega New Member

    I actually used both Vespiquen and Clefable as set up walls in gen 4 OU with decent results. Biggest problem is the set I used had no attacks and was walled by steel and poison types. Vesp was my physical wall and Clef my special wall.

    Bold Nature
    252 HP/252 Def
    Pressure
    Defend Order
    Heal Order/Roost
    Toxic
    Protect/Confuse Ray

    *edit: hold item was lefties. totally forgot to put it
     
    Last edited: Apr 22, 2012
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