Community POTW #74

[tomjames1966]

It may bait taunters, but who would use one on riolu, as they expect a physical sweeper. It cripples their team, so it can be a suggestion.

Yeah
And after an attract a pokemon only has a 50% chance of hitting so you have a 50% chance of shuffling if the opponent doesn't switch.
Oh yeah, I forgot to say that you could change the item to Evolite or Focus Sash.

Does Endure run off the same chance of Protect? If it doesn't you can survive for 20+ turns as you could Protect, then Endure leaving you with 1 HP, then you could Protect, then Endure and so on!

 

[MetalCrow]

So, after diving into ou, i've decided on a work up set as a anti-metagame set..it'll work best with specific team support due to a 4 move slot syndrome of the nastier kind...

Lucario +Life Orb
Hasty +156att/120spatt/232speed
-Work Up
-Close Combat
-Ice Punch
-Hidden Power Electric

Ok, so there are a few threats that this cannot really handle well...mainly Latios, Scizor, and revenge killers...the speed allows lucario to outrun everything that gets up to 300 speed(which zoroark likes to run)...the hidden power electric 2HKOs slowbro at +1 and every other water type except rotom-w and specially defensive polidoed(who dislike taking close combats) Ice punch slaughters everything 4x weak to ice...this lucario cannot really get thru dedicated physical walls that resist electric...tangrowth can take an ice punch or close combat, and hippowdon is immune to hidden power...a good partner is mixed scarf T-tar or (better yet an infernape or wevile despite the overlapping coverage)Even something like gengar or starmie would be a good compliment

 

[philzone]

Any one thought of me first. It's funny reflecting back an earthquake to an unsuspecting steel type(steelix and aggron). outclassed by other sets, but is quite good to use on a mixed set. Funny yet useless in higher tiers. It just needs a say. try it in this set
Queue pusher
hasty/naive
-me first
-extreme speed
-aura sphere
-blaze kick/crunch
evs 252 speed 128 att 128 sp att
item life orb/choice scarf
ability steadfast.
Quite funny to watch

 

[Missingno. Master]

Auragility
Lucario@Wise Glasses
Modest nature
Inner Focus/Steadfast
252 Sp. Atk/252 Spd/4 HP
~Agility
~Aura Sphere
~Shadow Ball
~Flash Cannon/Dragon Pulse

Lucario is incredible. Nice offenses, a great movepool... only real issue is the iffy Speed, and even then, Agility is just the thing to remedy this. Aura Sphere and Shadow Ball provide unresisted coverage; therefore, the final move is filler. Flash Cannon is for extra STAB, albeit unnecessary, and Dragon Pulse is just all-around decent.

Item is for boosting Lucario's already nice Special Attack. Ability doesn't actually matter.


Physical Auragility
Lucario@Muscle Band
Adamant nature
Inner Focus/Steadfast
252 Atk/252 Spd/4 HP
~Agility
~Hi Jump Kick
~Shadow Claw
~Blaze Kick

A physical version of the previous set. Same general idea behind it. Agility, Ghost + Fighting coverage, filler move.

Item is for boosting Lucario's already nice Attack. Ability doesn't actually matter.


Other options:
*Lucario can use Swords Dance and Nasty Plot, but would be better off working on its Speed, which is the stat that really needs the help.
*Speaking of Swords Dance, it could go well with Extremespeed and Bullet Punch.

Abilities:
*Inner Focus: Lucario can't flinch. A great way to discourage Fake Out usage, for sure.
*Steadfast: Whenever Lucario flinches, its Speed goes up one stage. A decent enough ability, but nobody's really gonna try and Fake Out a Lucario in the first place, and its defenses mean that any other flinch-inducing moves would more likely KO.
*Justified: Lucario's Hidden Ability. When Lucario is hit by a Dark move, its Attack goes up one stage. Currently legal, but only on special male-only event Lucario, with access to only one Egg move- Bullet Punch. Given its extremely limited availability and the consequential movepool suffering, hardly worth the effort.

Partners:
You can't go wrong with Smashpassing. Or really, any Baton Passer with a Speed-increasing move. Rapid Spin support isn't high in demand with Lucario, given its 4x resistance to Stealth Rock and its immunity to Toxic Spikes.

Counters:
Priority moves are something you want to watch out for. Particularly the likes of Mach Punch and Vacuum Wave.

Opinion:
Overrated very much, but you can't deny that Lucario is cool.

Prediction for next week:
Ditto.

 

[Rayofquazar]

Lucario can be the example of a pokemon that gamefreak actually took some time working on it. Usually, we often say "What was gamefreak thinking?" but in this particular case, we say "What?! Was gamefreak thinking?". Their project was making a pokemon outside of legendaries that have an enormous potential! It even is the only non legendary pokemon to have a major role in a pokemon movie! Lucario while doesn't have the stats of legendaries is one of the most fearsome sweeper in the standard play. Take for instance it's typing: Steel/Fight combines the best_hands down_defensive types in the game with one of the best (and for me the best) offensive types in the game. That alone should tell you what to expect from lucario. It's movepool, while not infinite, is the best thing lucario has. It has many viable moves, many disruptive moves and many boosting moves, priority moves including extremespeed, support moves, hazing, etc... making lucario one of the most versatile pokemon in the game. If you actually just read what I'm typing, you'll notice a lot of "The best... in the game", and "the most... in the game" wich only prooves how terrific this pokemon is!

Stats wise, they are balanced enough to add to lucario's versatility... it's offenses are practically equal making it able to attack from both sides. Defense wise, it is surprisingly weak despite it's steel typing. While not having the best defenses but it's access to a lot of resistances allow lucario to switch and take some resisted attacks with relative ease. For me, lucario's major letdown was it's speed. 90 is very good actually, but leaves it outsped by major competitors and counters but access to priority and agility makes up for this minor issue.

Lucario also wishes it had better abilities... While none of the is actually completely useless, they are situational and too gimmicky for a serious straightforward attacker like lucario. Justified from the DW is actually pretty sweet letting lucario bypass it's mediocre speed when switching in a predicted dark type attack.

As for a possible set... Well... Zebstrika has a possible set... Lucario has a lot... This is how it is versatile... I'm not gonna try to post one... for many of you has already posted a bunch!

While lucario is very effective it does have a way around it... Fire, Ground, and fighting types attacks all kill lucario.... infernape can destroy it with mach punch or another fire or fighting type attack. Water, electric, flying and psychic type attacks also work well as lucario takes neutral hits from those types. A small tip, don't bother yourself trying to find out what kind of moves lucario have to send the perfect counter, lucario is so versatile that you won't even know what it will be doing to you... you just need to get rid of it as soon as possible... once you see lucario, send in a faster pokemon with a priority super effective attack (Mach punch, vaccuum wave) and hope lucario doesn't have the right move to deal with it!

 

[Ilan]

I do like the idea of the confusion, but it outclassed by so many other special moves that it is only a last thing that should be thought of. when testing a 252 spd jolly lucario, it got outsped by alot of things. A smash-pass sorts that out, or, try steel gem +bullet punch / normal gem+extreme speed /fighting gem+vacuum wave and skill swap with unbudened driftblim or just try skill swap with dw xatu for a magic bounce or magic guard from a skill swap from dw alakasam. These are just suggestions, but the unburdened swap seems the best, with the speed boost. alternativley, try a choice scarf for a revenge killer (if not abusing the 3 priorty moves).

Bullet punch is useless... it only good point against mach punch is that it can beat gengar with it but that's all mach punch>bullet punch
but extreame speed got more power than both and good coverage overall so use this...
Driftblimb LOL (good in NU but that's all...)

unburden skill swap Y U NO use agility instead?
Physical Choice Scarf is outclassed by terrakion Special CHoice Scarf... can be used to spam aura sphere but it is a slow scarf..

Like I said the best sets are those with boosting moves

 

[philzone]

Bullet punch is useless... it only good point against mach punch is that it can beat gengar with it but that's all mach punch>bullet punch
but extreame speed got more power than both and good coverage overall so use this...
Driftblimb LOL (good in NU but that's all...)

unburden skill swap Y U NO use agility instead?
Physical Choice Scarf is outclassed by terrakion Special CHoice Scarf... can be used to spam aura sphere but it is a slow scarf..

Like I said the best sets are those with boosting moves

Lucario is quite frail, as when you boost, you let stuff like conkeldurr and other pokemon to get a free turn at KOing it. Its defences are quite poor, and really does need a bit more speed. Well that was the skill swap idea, completely speeding you up, so you can sweep. The better option is smash pass. Double offences and speed. All it needs is a focus sash and then it wipes out the foes.

 

[Ilan]

Lucario is quite frail, as when you boost, you let stuff like conkeldurr and other pokemon to get a free turn at KOing it. Its defences are quite poor, and really does need a bit more speed. Well that was the skill swap idea, completely speeding you up, so you can sweep. The better option is smash pass. Double offences and speed. All it needs is a focus sash and then it wipes out the foes.

The agility idea does the same but with less headache.
Lucario can set up because it resist so many types he cause switches and in those switches he set up.

and that's why you don't boost on your counters XD... like a +1 volcarona would se up on an infernape it is better just HP ground/rock him.

 

[fireviper]

Lucario, my favourite pokemon, I will go through three movesets

Special Attack Sweeper
Modest
Item: Life Orb/ Leftovers/ Air Balloon
Ability: Steadfast or Inner Focus
EVs: Sp.A 252, Speed 252, HP 4
Moves
#1: Nasty Plot
#2: Aura Sphere
#3: Dark Pulse
#4: Vacuum wave/ Flash Cannon/ Dragon Pulse
this moveset is based around using Nasty Plot to boost your attack to skyhigh levels with Nasty Plot, and crushing all that stand in your way. Aura Sphere is your basic reliable stab move, Dark pulse hits Ghost and psychics hard, now for the last move i personally use Vacuum Wave, this allows Lucario to get priority and stab to finish off opponents that refuse to fall. if you do not want priority you could use Dragon Pulse to deal with any dragons that threaten your sweep, or if you rather have a steel move then use Flash Cannon. the EVs are simple increase special attack to hit hard and increased speed to hit fast, the remaining evs put in HP. Life Orb allows you to hit even harder but you take a slight hp hit, or if you don't like taking the damage you can use leftover to heal your the damage you've taken/ or if you are afraid of ground type moves and entry hazards Air Balloon can help you avoid those two.

Physical attack Sweeper Lucario
Adamant
Item: Life Orb/ Leftovers/ Air Balloon/ wide lens
Ability: Justified
EVs: Atk 252, Speed 252, HP 4
Moves
#1: Sword Dance
#2: Close Combat/ Brick break/ cross chop
#3: EarthQuake/ Crunch/ stone edge
#4: Extreme Speed/ Bullet Punch
this set is similar to the special sweeper but with physical moves, sword dance to boost your attacks, close combat is your main stab but if yuo do not like the defence debuff then brick break, or cross chop would work but only has 80 accuracy. earthquake is one of the strongest moves in the game that covers a lot of types fighting type moves can't, or you can use Cruch to act similar to dark pulse to help you hit ghost and psychic types, stone edge could also be a useful attack if you need the type coverage. the last move is for priority, either extreme speed or bullet pucnh. extreme speed grants you with +2 priority, and hits fairly hard, or you can use bullet punch to gain type stab and +1 priority. the Evs are the same but you focus on attack rather than special attack. items are the same, if you rather use cross chop then wide lens could be useful in raising your accuracy. lastly the ability when you get hit by a dark type move your attack goes up, really helpful on a physical sweeper.

Revenge killer
Type: Hasty/Naive
EVs: Sp.A 252 Atk 252 Spd 4
Items: Choice Scarf
Ability: Jusified
Moves
#1: Aura Sphere/ close combat
#2: EarthQuake
#3: DarkPulse/ Crunch
#4: Dragon pulse / priority move
you may be thinking this move set looks a little strange but it has great coverage, it covers 10 types. this move pool has a mixture of special attack and physical attack moves to give let you use both of Lucarios best attacks. Aura sphere or close combat are for stab, earthquake is for type coverage and power, darkpulse or crunch are to deal with ghost and psychics lastly the fourth attack is for extra coverage or speed dragon pulse will take out dragon types, or you can use a priority move to ensure a hit. the item you use is Choice scarf, it increases your speed by 50% but you can only use one move. the typing it to increase your speed and decrease lucarios defenced which are generally weak. the EVs are to increase the power of both physical and special attacks and slightly increase speed. so you will hit harder.

Lucarios main weakness are his defences, and typing. fire and ground and fighting attacks are really common so if you have a pokemon that can absorb fire such as heatran and a pokemon that can avoid ground type move such as gengar or togekiss then you should be good. gengar is esecially good because he advoids both fighting and ground.

hope this helps

 

[PikaPika677]

It even is the only non legendary pokemon to have a major role in a pokemon movie!

Zoroark and Zorua have major roles in a Pokémon Movie and neither are legendary.

 

[Meowmeow]

Poor Lucario.
Lucario is still a pretty good Pokemon, but it suffers from a huge case of a stat being not enough. While base 110 attack and 115 special attack are high, neither are very high. Base 90 speed? In this metagame, 90 is not fast enough anymore. These stats that are not enough do come with boosting moves. When it comes to stat boosting, Lucario truly shines.
Lucario has access to Swords Dance, Nasty Plot, Agility, and Work Up. This makes for great potential in physical, special, and mixed attacking. While tricky, Lucario could also pull off a double boosting set.
When it comes to attacking choices, Lucario is not lacking. STAB Close Combat, STAB Hi Jump Kick, STAB Aura Sphere, STAB Vacuum Wave, Dark Pulse/Shadow Ball, Crunch, Ice Punch, Stone Edge, Extremespeed, Psychic, and Dragon Pulse pretty much makes up Lucario's usable movepool, and that is a lot.
I already mentioned some problems Lucario faces, but here are some more. Lucario now has to compete with more fighting types like Conkeldurr, Mienshao, Cobalion, Terrakion, and Virizion while having to outshine old fighting types like Machamp, Breloom, Heracross, Infernape, and Toxicroak.
Lucario is still a good Pokemon. Just remember that it will never live up to its old hype.

Aura Sword!
Nature: Jolly
Ability: Steadfast (always)
EVs: 252 attack and speed, 4 hp
@: Life Orb

Swords Dance
Close Combat/Hi Jump Kick
Crunch
Extremespeed

So one-dimensional, so very deadly.

I have a Nasty Aura
Nature: Timid
EVs: 252 sp attack and speed, 4 hp
@: Life Orb

Nasty Plot
Aura Sphere
Dark Pulse/Shadow Ball
Vacuum Wave

Pretty much the same thing.

Auragility
Nature: Modest|Adamant
EVs: 252 speed, 4 hp, 252 attack|sp attack
@: Life Orb

Agility
Close Combat/Hi Jump Kick|Aura Sphere
Crunch|Dark Pulse/Shadow Ball
Ice Punch/Stone Edge|Dragon Pulse/Psychic/Hidden Power Ice

Yup

Mixed Aura (gimmick)
Nature: Speed booster that doesn't drop an attacking stat
EVs: 252 speed, 128 attack and special attack
@: Life Orb

Work Up
Aura Sphere|Close Combat/Hi Jump Kick
Crunch|Shadow Ball/Dark Pulse
Extremespeed

This set is so very simple, but it is lacking in power immensely. That is the very reason why this set is a gimmick. However, after a few Work Up boosts, this set becomes incredibly deadly.

Now, these next sets are as gimmicky as you can get. Don't use them unless you are just having fun and not taking things seriously.

Auragility Sword
Nature: Jolly/Adamant
EVs: 252 attack and speed, 4 hp
@: Life Orb

Swords Dance
Agility
Close Combat
Crunch

If you, by some crazy miracle, manage to pull off both Swords Dance and Agility, Lucario will be terrifying.

Nasty Auragility
Nature: Timid/Modest
EVs: 252 sp attack and speed, 4 hp
@: Life Orb

Agility
Nasty Plot
Aura Sphere
Dark Pulse/Shadow Ball

Same as last, only for special attacking.

Mixed Auragility (super gimmick)
Nature: Don't lower your attack, sp attack, or speed.
EVs: 252 attack and special attack, 4 speed
@: Life Orb

Agility
Work Up
Aura Sphere|Close Combat
Crunch|Shadow Ball/Dark Pulse

Unless you square off against a stall team, this set will never be pulled off successfully. However, it is an amazing anti-stall team set.

 

[Kraleck]

Any one thought of me first. It's funny reflecting back an earthquake to an unsuspecting steel type(steelix and aggron). outclassed by other sets, but is quite good to use on a mixed set. Funny yet useless in higher tiers. It just needs a say. try it in this set
Queue pusher
hasty/naive
-me first
-extreme speed
-aura sphere
-blaze kick/crunch
evs 252 speed 128 att 128 sp att
item life orb/choice scarf
ability steadfast.
Quite funny to watch

Does anybody else think it's odd that Riolu gets Prankster but Lucario is the one that learns Me First?

Bullet punch is useless... it only good point against mach punch is that it can beat gengar with it but that's all mach punch>bullet punch
but extreame speed got more power than both and good coverage overall so use this...
Driftblimb LOL (good in NU but that's all...)

unburden skill swap Y U NO use agility instead?
Physical Choice Scarf is outclassed by terrakion Special CHoice Scarf... can be used to spam aura sphere but it is a slow scarf..

Like I said the best sets are those with boosting moves

Except Lucario gets Vacuum Wave instead of Mach Punch. Vacuum Wave is okay if you want a Special-based Fighting Type Priority Move instead of Aura Sphere. If you want a Physical-based Priority, you go for coverage on Ghost Types and Rock Types with Bullet Punch or raw power and a guaranteed-first priority with Extremespeed.

Forget about Mach Punch, people. Lucario does NOT get it in any way, shape, or form.

 

[Serebii!]

I hope people make good sets for Lucario that I can use because I don't know how to make a good set myself

 

[Jhzaeth]

Apologies if this set (or a variant) has already been posted.

Calm Mind Lucario.

Lucario
Inner Focus
Modest @Life Orb
IVs: Look to max Spe and Sp.A.

Calm Mind
Aura Sphere
Dark Pulse/Dragon Pulse
Vacuum Wave


Inner Focus is the ability because we are focusing on Special Attack here - an attack boost would not be necessary (although it could possibly be used to confuse the opponent into thinking you are Attack-based rather than Special Attack-based; in that case, switch into a predicted Dark attack), and this protection against flinching can be useful on occasion.

Calm Mind is used when the opponent switches or uses a move that will be ineffective (or you are behind a baton passed substitute; whatever).
Aura Sphere and Dark Pulse offer brilliant coverage together, enabling your boosted Lucario to hit most of the OU metagame for at least neutral damage. Alternately Dragon Pulse can be used, for near perfect coverage too, plus it enables Lucario to wall Dragon threats (being part Steel) and hit back for super effective damage.
Lastly, Vacuum Wave is in there as a priority move, to finish off a weakened pokemon etc.

 

[Rayofquazar]

Zoroark and Zorua have major roles in a Pokémon Movie and neither are legendary.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaah!!! YES! Couldn't remember them!! LOL

 

[Dragrath]

DW Riolu isn't even released yet so there isn't any way for it to get prankster....

 

[philzone]

DW Riolu isn't even released yet so there isn't any way for it to get prankster....

Except when it is released in the future. Might come in a new area on the dream world. You never know these days. Or they could just add it to an existing area.

 

[tomjames1966]

Except when it is released in the future. Might come in a new area on the dream world. You never know these days. Or they could just add it to an existing area.

And I put Illegal Prackster Set for my riolu set.
Besides with BW 2 coming out the DW is going to be updated so we might get some new pokemon then.

 

[Aura Flare Riolu]

And I put Illegal Prackster Set for my riolu set.
Besides with BW 2 coming out the DW is going to be updated so we might get some new pokemon then.

Hope that's the case. As I posted on the first page, it would need to have Max Speed to make sure it outspeeds Choice Band Scizor so it can use the Copycat before it can counter with Bullet Punch. Extremespeed users just kills the set all together as well as other Prankster users like Whimsicott as Riolu is the 2nd slowest Prankster user (slowest being Sableye). Prankster Riolu can be risky to use but if the opponent doesn't have anything faster with Priority, then it can sweep. Just have a Revenge Killer just in case the last Pokemon doesn't go down to Entry Hazards. Just use it as a fodder, might as well use Toxic on the way out or something.

 

[philzone]

Comparing lucario to other ou fighting types. Apart from virizion, cobalion and meinshao, Lucario can run both a special and physical set. It may be slower than meinshao, cobalion and virizion, but lucario is very unpredictable, and hard to counter. Skarmory walls the other three, but lucario could just hit it with aura sphere, blaze kick, thunder punch ect. And then skarmory cant wall it. Lucario may not have the best speed, but it is a unique pokemon, able to be unpredictable makes it awesome.

Plus it has an awesome design :-D
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