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Community POTW #9

Discussion in 'POTW Collaboration' started by Reno, Feb 27, 2011.

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  1. Reno

    Reno so adorable...

  2. ASB

    ASB Weather Team Hater

    Don't get me started on this guy. *ragequit*

    EDIT: Thanks for putting a link in the first post like I asked :)
    Last edited: Feb 27, 2011
  3. The Joker.

    The Joker. Gone.

    Life orb
    -flare blitz
    -wild charge
    -head smash

    Basically an all out move set which provides good coverage and tries to make a dent in the opponents team. And yes the recoil is horrible but if/when he gets reckless it will do some serious damage.
    Last edited: Feb 27, 2011
  4. rukarion

    rukarion lucario trainer

    slow and steady team-up
    follow on from a trickroom
    head smash
    flare blitz
    item-white herb
  5. Del Mundo

    Del Mundo Ghost Fan

    Choice is what is see.

    Adamant-choice band-Blaze
    252Hp 252Atk 4Def
    Flare Blitz
    Head Smash/Rock Slide/Body Slam
    Superpower/Brick Break/Hammer Arm

    Modest-Choice Specs-Blaze
    252HP 252SAtk 4Def
    Fire Blast/Flamethrower
    Grass Knot
    HP ?? (Whatever brings more coverage.)

    NU. Dangerous for attacking. Very frail and many recoil moves though. idk, it hits hard i guess. Special movepool is incredible though.

    Maybe stalling with curse?

    Careful/Impish-Leftovers-Blaze/Thick fat
    252HP 252SDef 4Def
    Flare Blitz/Heat Stamp
    Sleep Talk

    It also has other nifty defensive moves like yawn, endeavor, taunt, will o wisp, and roar.
  6. Emboar @ Life Orb
    Ability: Reckless
    Adamant Nature
    252 Atk/ 252 HP/ 6 whatever
    -Take Down
    -Head Smash
    -Flare Blitz
    -Wild Charge
    As simple a set as you can get. Emboar reaches 379 attack with 252 EV's and an Adamant nature, and with the boost on every one of these moves by the ability Reckless, plus a Life Orb boost... that's a lot. Maxed out HP so it can take as many recoil hits as possible, and the remaining 6 EV's are useless. Do whatever with them.
    Anyhow, moveset explanation. Flare Blitz is Emboar's most powerful Physical STAB move, Wild Charge gets good coverage, Head Smash purely because it's a 150 Base Power physical recoil attack, and Take Down just because. And I'm pretty sure nothing resists the combo of Fire/Electric/Rock/Normal.
    ...actually, I'm just pretty sure that nothing resists the combo of Fire/Electric/Rock.

    I love how in the time it took me to write that, Superior Snivy makes an almost identical set.
  7. Haxorusfan

    Haxorusfan Dragon Trainer

    ev:4 HP, 252 Attack, 252 Speed
    Nature: Adamant(+attack, -Special Attack)
    Bulk Up
    Stone Edge
    Rock Slide/Brick Break
    Basic but good set. Start off the battle with bulk up to add defense and attack. Then go the rest of the battle hitting hard.
  8. Wadeledge

    Wadeledge Till all are One

    Wouldn't Gyro Ball be weaker after Trick Room?
  9. Blazios

    Blazios Well-Known Member

    Trick Room doesn't actually affect Speed. It just affects move order.
  10. The Joker.

    The Joker. Gone.

    Sorry I beat you to it

    Special emboar
    Life orb
    -grass knot
    -Focus blast
    -hidden power/ice or whatever you want

    Emboar does have base 100 spatk which isn't horrible so it's at least worth a special set.I have also noticed that this set is very similar to infernape but slower and has more hp.flamethrower and focus blast for STAB grass knot to catch some decent Pokemon for coverage and hidden power for even more coverage.
    Last edited: Feb 27, 2011
  11. TheAwesomeOne

    TheAwesomeOne Well-Known Member

    Well, Emboar is very slow, it's bulky HP can sort of make up for it's horrible defenses. In my opinion, Infernape is better. It is faster, which seems to be the only thing that matters. It also has Iron Fist which makes Fire Punch and Thunderpunch good moves.

    Special Emboar@Life Orb/Expert Belt
    252 SpA, 252 HP, 4 SpD
    -HP Grass/Electric
    -Focus Blast
    Does it look like I need to explain this set?

    Physical Emboar@Life Orb/Expert Belt/Muscle Band
    252 Att, 252 HP, 4 SpD
    -Stone Edge/Head Smash
    -Wild Charge/Earthquake
    -Flare Blitz
    -Superpower/Hammer Arm
    Emboar's speed is pitiful in the first place, so Hammer Arm is a good option for a move. Most of this set revolves around Reckless. Earthquake is if you want extra coverage, but most teams nowadays have at least 3 Pokémon that know EQ, so it isn't required, and besides, Wild Charge covers Water and Flying Pokés, whereas EQ doesn't.
  12. TimmahX

    TimmahX Well-Known Member

    Emboar Set + Counters + Move Options

    The Reckless Powerhouse (Not available for use until Dream World version is available)
    Life Orb, Adamant, Blaze/Reckless, 252 Atk / 252 HP / 4 Def
    -Flare Blitz
    -Head Smash
    -Wild Charge
    -Bulk Up

    Emboar's speed is pretty hard to work around, but it makes for a great Bulk Up Sweeper. Flare Blitz is your main attack, though the recoil becomes ridiculous with Reckless and Life Orb, it's power will shut down even the toughest physical walls out there, especially the steel ones. Head Smash offers huge power and takes down other Fire types. Wild Charge guns down bulky water types.

    Countering this set

    - Swampert, Gastrodon, Seismitoad, and Quagasire resist Flare Blitz and Wild Charge and have super effective STAB attacks.
    - Heatran has Flash Fire and takes neutral damage from the other two attacks.
    - Omastar can switch into Flare Blitz and take it out with STAB Surf/Hydro Pump provided Emboar has one Curse on, Breakable Armor activates or Omastar has a Choice Scarf.
    - Hydreigon with Surf or Earth Power.

    Alternative Moves

    - Heat Stamp and Heavy Bomber use Emboars high weight for power, but this isn't effective against other heavy pokemon. In lower tiers where lightweight pokemon are all over the place, these moves can see use.

    - Superpower offers high power and STAB, but has the Attack and Defense reduction side effect. If you have Curses active or received Curse Passes from pokemon like Umbreon, this can be fine. But in most cases, this is best in choice sets.

    - Stone Edge is an alternative to Head Smash if you dislike the recoil effect. Rock Slide has less power, but more PP and accuracy. The flinch effect is negligible unless you are running a Curse set on a Trick Room team.

    - Earthquake, is earthquake. Wrecks Rock and Fire types. Can easily be substituted for Bulk Up and a Life Orb can be substituted for a Choice Band to make a solid Choice Set.

    - Will-o-Wisp has its uses, but Emboar isn't too bulky and is on the slow side, so it isn't a viable user of this move. In a Trick Room team, this may see use.

    - Grass Knot deals with the Water/Ground types that plague Emboar, and Scald is an alternative option for Fire Types. Emboar's Special attack is entirely viable.

    - Overheat is nice on a mixed set, since Emboar has pretty solid Special attack, but I'd advise using Flare Blitz in most circumstances. The 23 base stat gap plus Reckless down the line is huge.

    - Poison Jab and Gyro Ball, two borderline useless physical moves on Emboar. Flare Blitz covers Grass types and 65 Base Speed isn't low enough to make Gyro Ball absurdly strong.

    - Flamethrower, Fire Blast, and Focus Blast, the Special STAB moves.

    - Curse can be used for Trick Room teams over Bulk Up.

    - Fire Oath, Emboar is the slowest carrier of the move, makes it good for setting up field fire.
  13. Nijaskills

    Nijaskills Well-Known Member

    Perhaps a Nitro Charge Reckless set could be in order?

    Emboar @ Leftovers
    Adamant Nature (+Atk -SpAtk)
    -Nitro Charge
    -Flare Blitz
    -Wild Charge
    -Head Smash

    Leftovers instead of Life Orb because otherwise it will instantly kill itself with recoil.
    Last edited: Feb 27, 2011
  14. Embroar can't have Thick Fat, only Blaze and Reckless.
  15. jespoke

    jespoke Nintendo Stalker

    This is a reckless beast (Literally)

    It has access to some of the strongest recoil moves, will get reckless sometime in the future and its bulk is made of HP, with is positive for taking more recoil, instead of defense with would do nothing to the recoils at all

    Alias, its like made for reckless use of recoil moves
  16. daveshan

    daveshan My little friend

    @leftovers/lum berry
    252 att/ 252 spd/ 6 hp
    Jolly or Naive (+spd, -sp. def.)
    -Flame charge
    -Overheat/Flare blitz
    -Earthquake/ super power/ brick break
    -Stone edge or rock slide/ Head smash/ wild charge

    Force a switch and use flame charge to raise its speed ~375, putting it above jolly infernape's max speed of 348. After that, the moves are up to you. Overheat will catch physical walls off guard, but flare blitz has reliable power. EQ/ super power/ and brick break because constantly doing flame charge on the switch is heatran bait and you can KO it instead of powering it up; choose your favorite. Stone edge v. rock slide. Head smash if you're using reckless. Or wild charge for water types.

    @Life orb/expert belt
    252 sp. att/ 252 spd/ 6 hp
    -Flame charge
    -Overheat/ fire blast/ flamethrower
    -Focus blast
    -Scald/ grass knot/ HP [ice/electric/grass]

    Flame charge boosts speed. Fire attack of your choice. Focus blast for heatran and second STAB. Last move for dealing with other fires and ground types, waters and ground types, or hidden power's usual. I put HP grass because we don't know who's going to wind up in which tier. It looks like vaporeon's a fantastic wall this gen and grass knot's not doing much to that. Who knows where manaphy and phione will end up?
  17. Weavile22

    Weavile22 Imma be

    serperior is superior to this copycat of blaziken
  18. TheNewGuy

    TheNewGuy Well-Known Member

    As the third straight Fire/Fighting starter, Emboar has stiff competition from Blaziken and Infernape. It actually has superior attacking stats to Infernape and is around even with Blaziken, as well as being considerably more bulky than the former. However, Emboar's big let-down is its poor speed. Base 65 is poor, and with its two rivals having speed on their side - Infernape's natural pace, coupled with Blaziken's new ability, Speed Boost - it would appear that Emboar struggles to find a niche. This is in addition to Emboar lacking a good fighting STAB move: it does not have Blaziken's greatly improved Hi Jump Kick, or Infernape's Close Combat. It has to settle for the mediocre-by-comparison Hammer Arm instead.

    However, the aforementioned bulk can allow Emboar to differentiate itself from its Fire/Fighting predecessors. Fire is not a great type to be for a defensive Pokemon but this is offset by its secondary typing which at least gives it neutrality to Stealth Rock - though it still suffers from bad weaknesses to Water and Ground.

    Emboar's Dream World ability, Reckless, can help him considerably. However, this gives Emboar a problem, since it makes a Life Orb very difficult to use. With its slow bulk, it will not enjoy the recoil Life Orb provides on top of the recoil provided by moves such as Flare Blitz and Head Smash.

    This makes Emboar a prime contender for a Choice Band set, if one was to take Reckless into consideration:

    Name: BandedBabe
    Item: Choice Band
    Ability: Reckless
    Nature: Adamant

    HP 252 / ATK 252 / Def 4
    -Flare Blitz
    -Head Smash
    -Wild Charge
    -Hammer Arm[/b]

    Three recoil moves looks suicidal, but that base 123 attack coupled with Reckless brings Flare Blitz to 216 base power after STAB, Head Smash to 180 base power, and Wild Charge to 108 base power.

    The moves should be obvious, looking at Emboar's movepool. You have Flare Blitz providing an excellent Fire STAB move to hit most stuff that doesn't resist it very, very hard. It breaks down steel-types not named Heatran like they're not even there and is a generally good move: just watch that recoil.

    Same story for Head Smash. The recoil here is actually worse, but that ability to hit, for example, incoming Dragons like Salamence, Dragonite and Hydreigon for neutral or super-effective damage is a very useful tool if you know their switch in. It's also a good choice against Zapdos, who will love to come in on Wild Charge. Mostly Head Smash is there for its raw power. The accuracy and recoil, though...both a bit of a pain. A superb weapon in the Emboar arsenal is Wild Charge, a recoil-inducing Electric type move. It is a great weapon for bulky waters not named Swampert, Quagsire or Gastrodon. It also OHKOs Gyarados, even after Intimidate.

    Hammer Arm rounds out the set. It's a useful STAB move, and the speed drop isn't such a big deal since there are no speed EVs and the pig is slow. It hits stuff like Heatran hard, who otherwise enjoys coming into a Flash Fire boost and threatening with Earth Power. Hammer Arm doesn't do THAT much more to Blissey, Chansey or Porygon2 than Flare Blitz, but the lack of recoil is very helpful.

    If those walls are not a problem for you, Boiling Water is an interesting option if you can work it in somewhere, maybe instead of Head Smash or Hammer Arm. It hits incoming Heatran and Hippowdon, and, most notably, Gliscor very hard and the high possible burn chance can really cripple the latter. In fact, that chance makes it a useful move to throw around early in the battle, if you wish to forego Flare Blitz in the early stages. If you want to run it, though, switch to a Brave nature so as not to compromise Emboar's offensive stats or its defenses.

    Charging Babe
    Nature: Adamant/Jolly
    Ability: Reckless
    Item: Life Orb/Expert Belt
    EVs: 252 atk/252 speed/4def

    Nitro Charge
    Flare Blitz
    Wild Charge
    Head Smash

    One set where Emboar really misses something like Hi Jump Kick. But it's still not bad, running a little bit like DD Tar without the boost.

    Come in on something Emboar can scare out and use Nitro Charge for a small amount of damage, which also boosts you speed. Believe it or not, you don't actually need to go Jolly here. You can outspeed stuff like Adamant Weavile and other base 120s if you do, but you're already outspeeding base 110s like Starmie and Gengar even with Adamant, after a Nitro Charge. If you want the extra speed, by all means go for it, but because of the way Emboar's speed falls, it's not actually a necessity.

    The rest of the moves have been explained already. Flare Blitz, Head Smash and Wild Charge are powerful moves boosted by Reckless that hit a lot of stuff hard. The item choice is more interesting. Expert Belt is useful for hitting bulky waters while allowing Emboar to not lose yet more of its HP, but if you want to take a gamble with it, by all means use Life Orb: though note that this makes you vulnerable to even resisted priority moves such as Bullet Punch in the long run.


    Gastrodon and Quagsire are probably the premier counters. They only fear the exceptionally rare Hidden Power Grass, they resist Head Smash and Flare Blitz, only take neutral damage from whatever fighting-type move Emboar is running, and to top it all off, both have immunities to both Wild Charge (Emboar's biggest weapon against Bulky Waters), and Boiling Water, thus negating the burn chance. They can hit back with either STAB move.

    However, these have little utility and Swampert is usually a better option in your team. The Gen III starter is still a very good counter, it just lacks the Boiling Water immunity. Moving down the list, fellow bulky waters like Suicune and Vaporeon don't mind coming in on Flare Blitz either, but they will be taking super effective damage from Wild Charge.

    Gliscor and Hippowdon can generally stall out any set lacking Boiling Water or KO it with a STAB Earthquake. Any Emboar set lacking a fighting move will hold no fear for Porygon2 either.


    Ninetales is useful for bringing out the sun. It can also get rid of sand, which compromises Emboar's bulk, and rain, which cripples Emboar's devastating Flare Blitz. Emboar will also appreciate Wish support from something like Blissey or Vaporeon, especially the Choice Band set. And of course, it will like something that can remove its counters. A Grass-type that hits on the special side can help take out stuff like Suicune, Gliscor and Hippowdon. Take a look at Sceptile and Serperior for that, though they may still struggle with Porygon2.
    Last edited: Feb 27, 2011
  19. MixBoar
    252 Atk/ 252 Sp Atk/ 6 HP
    -Flare Blitz
    -Stone Edge/Head Smash
    -Flamethrower/Fire Blast

    Scald is a very interesting and useful move. On top of reliable power, it's a water-type move that causes burns. Putting that on Emboar will leave the opponent with a big surprise, take down the Ground-types, and the burns will really screw with opponents. Flare Blitz is just high power, and combining that with STAB and Reckless makes it even more powerful. Stone Edge is powerful, has a high crit-ratio, with 80 accuracy. Head Smash is even more powerful, gets an increase from Reckless, has 80 accuracy, and recoil. Make your pick by preference. Similarly, Flamethrower has reliable power, STAB, and full accuracy, while Fire Blast has more powerful, STAB, and 85 accuracy. Again, make your pick.

    Leftovers is for giving Emboar additional survivability, especially with its physical moves both potentially being recoil moves.

    Unusual and maybe lousy set, but I thought I'd take a shot.
  20. SazandoraMASTER

    SazandoraMASTER ♥ PSG ♥

    Reckless Pig!: @Leftovers
    Nature: Adamant/Jolly/Lonely/Hasty
    Ability: Reckless
    -Flare Blitz
    -Head Smash/Brick Break
    -Wild Charge
    This is one Reckless Pig! Flare Blitz, Head Smash, and Wild Charge all benefit with Reckless. Flare Blitz being your STAB and Head Smash and Wild Charge for coverage. You can replace Head Smash with Break for Fire-Fighting STAB and if you are afraid of Head Smash's massive recoil. You can run Substitute for recovering with Leftovers after all the recoil. Or you can run Scald for more coverage.
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