Competitive play without stealth rock

[Blue Harvest]

Charizard would probably be used on Sun teams. Solar Power gives it 188 base Special Attack when Timid which is pretty crazy when you add a Specs, STAB and Sun boost on top of that. Even things like Kingdra and Blissey can not switch in on that power without being 2HKOed. Even Calm Chansey would have a good chance of being 2HKOed.

Main flaw is how hard it gets countered by Tyranitar and Politoed.

 

[Shadow Archer]

Not that much move up with stone edge all over OU.

 

[Psycho Cut]

I'd say that, if anything would get banned, it'd be Dragonite.

 

[Soperman]

Yanmega would not be OU. It is too frail, and doesn't have a suitable move set.
Starmie might stay OU. It isn't only used as a Rapid Spinner.
Dragonite would either be banned, or Ice types would be more popular. Or both.

 

[Dragonicwari]

I would say that dragon claw and earthquake/fire punch would give it decent coverage, and at +2 in attack and speed, even lower power moves would hit hard and fast.

I feel like a bulky gyarados could switch in to either combo, skarmory could switch in on your earthquake combo. What you send in would just take prediction, also something to note I did not know; dragon is only resisted by steel types, making the fire punch much better option, and I now stand by you on saying it would be next to impossible to counter, especially late game. how much damage do you think a weaville holding a choice item (the one that increases attack) or life orb, using ice shard could do?

 

[Cometk]

Which leaves it with 2 attacking moves, pick whichever 2 you want, their is a type combo that can wall it (and possibly phase it)

if i have dclaw and fire punch, your heatran walls me. if i have dclaw and eq, your skarmory walls me.

then good sir, why the flying **** did you send out starmie

 

[Dragonicwari]

I sent out starmie because my dragonite (with a neutral speed nature) has been outsprd by a choice starmie after 2 or 3 d dances then ohko'd.

 

[Gelatino95]

Now all we need is an ice-type Stealth Rock.

 

[Zachmac]

I feel like a bulky gyarados could switch in to either combo, skarmory could switch in on your earthquake combo. What you send in would just take prediction, also something to note I did not know; dragon is only resisted by steel types, making the fire punch much better option, and I now stand by you on saying it would be next to impossible to counter, especially late game. how much damage do you think a weaville holding a choice item (the one that increases attack) or life orb, using ice shard could do?

Yeah, Gyarados could work, bringing it's attack down with intimidate, then phazing it with roar/dragon tail.

Now all we need is an ice-type Stealth Rock.

Poor mence. D:

 

[Cometk]

I sent out starmie because my dragonite (with a neutral speed nature) has been outsprd by a choice starmie after 2 or 3 d dances then ohko'd.

why did you keep dnite in

if the opponent was so giddy to switch in something as frail as starmie to threaten your dnite, and you didn't see leftovers recovery, you easily could've inferred it was scarf, which ,depending on the situation you were in, could've been used to switch / boost.

 

[Zachmac]

Well, Dragonite would be easier to revenge kill then Exca. If it tries to restore multiscale with roost, it'll likely take another hit. After that, it would take a good Rock/Ice move and a scarf.

 

[Dragonicwari]

Because I was hoping I would be faster after 3 d dances, and I had thunder punch, plus I was new

 

[Cometk]

Well, Dragonite would be easier to revenge kill then Exca. If it tries to restore multiscale with roost, it'll likely take another hit. After that, it would take a good Rock/Ice move and a scarf.

keep in mind roost alleviates nite of its flying type, thus (assuming you're faster at this point) something like stone edge from terrakion is essentially like being hit with a resisted attack when multiscale isn't in tact

 

[Zachmac]

keep in mind roost alleviates nite of its flying type, thus (assuming you're faster at this point) something like stone edge from terrakion is essentially like being hit with a resisted attack when multiscale isn't in tact

I said easier to revenge kill....Not easier to just take out.

Now that I think about it, you'd probably always have to sacrifice one pokemon, and then send out a choice scarfer/deoxys-s with a specific type move...Well, I guess it would be Uber worthy.

 

[Ilan]

I said easier to revenge kill....Not easier to just take out.

Now that I think about it, you'd probably always have to sacrifice one pokemon, and then send out a choice scarfer/deoxys-s with a specific type move...Well, I guess it would be Uber worthy.

sandstorm and hail cancel multiscale (of none rock,ground,steel pokemons) then it is still conterable also strong ice attacks still hurt dragonite they are *2 damage instead of *4 but they are still powerful and can KO dragonite despite multiscale...

 

[kaiser soze]

sandstorm and hail cancel multiscale (of none rock,ground,steel pokemons) then it is still conterable also strong ice attacks still hurt dragonite they are *2 damage instead of *4 but they are still powerful and can KO dragonite despite multiscale...

Only if it switches in though on an attack. If it comes in after another pokemon is KOed it won't take Sand/Hail damage. And I've seen defensive Dnites take Ice attacks (or at least HP Ice) decently when Multiscale was still alive.

 

[Vandslaux]

Yeah, Gyarados could work, bringing it's attack down with intimidate, then phazing it with roar/dragon tail.Poor mence. D:

Flying-types not named Skarm to NU. D:

 

[ParaChomp]

Baton Pass would be a bit more common, bringing Smeargle, Ninjask, and the like to higher tiers. That said, best if it stays so I continue to obliterate teams in NU with Regigigas (seriously people, it's that good).

Now what if Stealth Rock was a different type? What if Spikes and/or Toxic Spikes hit airborne Pokémon?

 

[Zachmac]

Now what if Stealth Rock was a different type?

The answer seems kind of obvious to me. If it was dark, less psychic/ghost. If ice, less dragons and Chomp wouldn't be uber, ect.

What if Spikes and/or Toxic Spikes hit airborne Pokémon?

Probably more phazing, stall, and rapid spin. Espeon and Starmie would be everywhere.

 

[Xx_BS-TyKi_xX]

A world without SR?? Madre de Dios :I say hello to Speed Boost Yanmega to OU, and Volcarona to Ubers, even if they have some annoying weaknes. Both of them are gonna apreciate the ride iof SR as they're not gonna losse 50% HP everyturn .---.