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Competitive Singles Rate

Discussion in 'Older Gen RMT' started by Reno, Jul 29, 2010.

  1. Reno

    Reno so adorable...

    Get a single pokemon rated here. Follow the same format as team rates, just with one Pokemon. Once again make sure that you are not posting something that is bog standard or a copy from the analysis.

    Pokemon @ Item
    - move
    - move
    - move
    - move

    *Detailed description of the Pokemon's purpose to the team*

    • Here are examples of what is and isn't acceptable:

      Both sets are fine as far as formatting is concerned, but the second set will likely get your post deleted and/or you will get an infraction due to not enough information being given. The first set had a different kind of formatting, but it stuck to the basic template outlined in this post and had a long enough description, telling us what purpose it has on the team etc. That being said, even though you have to follow the template, you can customize how it looks, providing all information is viewable.
    Last edited by a moderator: Aug 2, 2010
  2. flyingchicken

    flyingchicken Deathaura

    Well I have this modest-natured Dratini that I want to train. However, it has sucky IV's in HP, Atk, and Def, and good IV's in Sp. Atk, Sp. Def, and Speed.
    So I want it to be a special sweeper.

    Dragonite @ Leftovers
    Ability: Inner Focus
    EVs: 252 Sp. Atk/200 Spe/56 HP
    Modest nature (+Sp. Atk, -Atk)
    - Dragon Pulse
    - Ice Beam
    - Thunderbolt
    - Agillity

    This is the first set I'm considering. I know almost nothing about "this amount of EV's will make so-and-so beat so-and-so", I just know what they are/how to train for them. I figure some HP EV's can't hurt, even with the low IV. Max Sp. Atk, the rest goes into Speed.
    Dragon Pulse, Ice Beam, and Thunderbolt provide good coverage. Agility boosts its speed. It has leftovers because it didn't eat all the food yesterday.

    Another set:

    Dragonite @ Choice Scarf
    Ability: Inner Focus
    EVs: 252 Sp. Atk/200 Spe/56 HP
    Modest nature (+Sp. Atk, -Atk)
    - Draco Meteor
    - Focus Blast
    - Ice Beam
    - Thunderbolt

    Same EV spread, although more might be invested in Speed.
    Dragonite has plenty of options for those last 3 move slots: T-bolt, Flamethrower, Ice Beam, Surf, Dragon Pulse, and Focus Blast. I just don't know which ones to choose.

    I'm also thinking about more of a Special Defensively based Dragonite, but I haven't made a set on it yet.

    I'd really appreciate it if I got some advice on what to do.
  3. Electric

    Electric Well-Known Member

    I'm pretty new to competitive battling, so please excuse my noobiness. I'm going to start with Breloom since I need something easy to go with, then I'll move onto other Pokemon.

    Breloom @ Toxic Orb
    Ability: Poison Heal
    EVs: 252 Atk/252 Spd/4 HP
    Adamant Nature (+Atk, -Sp. Atk)
    - Spore
    - Seed Bomb
    - Stone Edge
    - Drain Punch

    Toxic Orb and Poison Heal goes together obviously.

    EVs: Ok since I'm new at this, my instinct is to put 252 on 2 stats and 4 on the third stat, but I've seen stuff like "40 HP and 236 Defense" and I don't understand why that happens. Anyways the 252 Attack is to make it be able to KO many Pokemon. 252 Speed is needed so that I can make Spore hit before the opponent. I don't care where the other 4 EVs go, so I just put it to HP.

    Nature: I wanted Adamant at first, but then I noticed that Breloom has pretty low Speed, and that's essential for Spore to hit first. I'm still pondering this, but I just can't decide between Adamant and Jolly.


    Spore is to put the opponent to sleep...

    Seed Bomb gives 120 power due to STAB.

    Stone Edge counters Fire and Flying types (but they might hit first! So that's why I'm stuck between Adamant and Jolly.)

    Drain Punch... well Breloom doesn't have Close Combat so I guess this. With Drain Punch, Breloom can also heal with this and it has 90 power due to STAB. I love STAB.

    So yeah... ;286;
  4. 3lmi

    3lmi pimping aint easy


    Ice Beam from a Max SpA, Modest Empoleon with LO on a Max SpD, Max HP, Max SpD Calm Dragonite = 99.5% - 117.1%

    Which is a OHKO with SR, I think you should keep it as a AgiliNite(First Set).

    @Electric (nice name)

    It is nice to see new people posting in the CSR, and don't worry there isn't that many jerks here so they will understand you are new. I didn't know alot about EVs too till I took a Tutor Course in it and further studing. People sometimes split the EVs to make sure it survives 2HKO, or 3HKO etc from a Pokemon, to beat other Speed Tiers and other reasons. I'm not to familiar with Brelooms, so can someone else rate him?

    I have been playing around with this Floatzel for my RD team(will upload in a day or two).

    Floatzel @ Damp Rock
    Ability: Swift Swim
    Jolly (+Spd, -SpA)
    EVs: 252 HP / 248 Atk / 16 Spe

    ~ Waterfall
    ~ Rain Dance
    ~ Brick Break / Ice Punch
    ~ Protect

    This Floatzel is to kill the most used UU lead, Ambipom. On the first turn I would use Protect (no fake out), then Rain Dance + Watefall. I can't choose between BB and IP, I will still test it further.

    Watefall on Lead Ambipom - 54.6% - 64.3%
    In Rain - 81.4% - 95.9%

    It is not enough for a OHKO even in rain, but with SR damage, I don't think it will be coming out again.
    Last edited: Jul 30, 2010
  5. spareux

    spareux maldición

    dragonite has some handy support moves and resistances that can be utilised in a fun set, though obviously one should be more inclined to focus on its attacking potential.

    drain punch on breloom (BRELOOOOOM) is a bit gimmicky. if you want more HP you can go spore/sub/punch/seed, which works a bit like sceptile though obviously breloom has an easier time swapping in. people run it with a lot of HP and defence because it makes it a hell of a lot easier for breloom to actually make good use of its handy resistances, as it has piss poor defences.
  6. Puzzler2

    Puzzler2 Random Person

    Swampert @ Life Orb
    Ability: Torrent
    Quirky (No effect)
    EVs 252hp 152def 100atk

    -Ice Beam

    This is my first real try at making a competetive pokemon. I made this swampert to be good at offence and defence, I maxed out HP first, then split between Atk and Def. Ice beam is for grass types and also dragon types. Earthquake and Waterfall are its main attacking moves, and I threw in substitute for a defensive move, although with Life Orb that damage could add up.

    Any advice or critique of this set would be helpful.
  7. spareux

    spareux maldición

    Substitute + life orb is going to wear away Swampert too quickly to make it of any use whilst it's still going to be countered by the usual suspects.

    If you really wanted to try an all attacking pert you'd be better putting something over that substitute. I can't remember off the top of my head all its offensive options but I believe focus punch, hydro pump, hidden power [electric] and hammer arm. And change the nature to Relaxed - natures that give no boosts should never be used.
    If you're simply after an offensive pert, you could try a Choice Bander or the Curse variant. Otherwise, just go the standard defensive route, which has handy support options whilst still packing a punch with STAB Earthquake.
  8. palingensia

    palingensia amends

    Agility set is probably better, as a scarfer would want to be mixed.
    Fix'd in bold.
    Life Orb Return on your Floatzel: 299 Atk vs 146 Def & 374 HP (102 Base Power): 292 - 345 (78.07% - 92.25%)
    Life Orb U-turn on your Floatzel: 299 Atk vs 146 Def & 374 HP (70 Base Power): 134 - 158 (35.83% - 42.25%)

    You don't get ko'd, but you take a hell of a lot from Return and even U-turn does quite a lot. Not the best of anti-Ambipom leads methinks.
    If you want a defensive but offensive Swampert, CursePert is probably the way to go.

    Swampert @Leftovers
    Torrent | Careful | 252 HP/40 Def/216 SpD
    ~ Curse
    ~ Rest
    ~ Sleep Talk
    ~ Waterfall
  9. Zorkzedork

    Zorkzedork Well-Known Member

    Munchlax @ Leftovers
    Ability: Thick fat
    EVs: HP/52 Atk/104 Def/200 SpD/152
    Nature Adamant (+Atk, -SpA)
    - Curse
    - Return
    - Earthquake
    - Ice Punch

    Random set for UU really I chose EV's at random...

    YOOMTAH Let's dance~

    This OU antilead I use very often:

    Gallade @ Focus Sash
    Ability: Steadfast
    EV's: 252 Spe / 252 Atk / 4 HP, Jolly (+spe, -spatk)
    - Shadow Sneak
    - Close Combat
    - Ice Punch
    - Counter

    Shadow Sneak pwns Azelf, Close Combat hits a lot. Ice Punch is for Aerodactyl and Roserade leads. Counter for other antileads.
  11. palingensia

    palingensia amends

    No recovery on something so frail (135/40/80 isn't that good by UU standards) isn't such a good idea. Speaking of being frail, it'll need at least 2-3 Curses under its belt before it even starts to survive physical attacks; whilst it would have a hard time not being 2HKO'd by most STAB special attacks. I'd rather use Miltank any day.
    Hm... Sure it beats the two common Taunt leads, but bulky leads give it hell; Metagross and Swampert in particular. I would consider Taunt on it over Counter so it can at least stop them from setting up Stealth Rock. Or you could replace Ice Punch so you can Taunt then Counter their attack. Seems relatively ok, but not as good as Machamp.
  12. BaldWombat

    BaldWombat Mortal Wombat!

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  13. Blue Harvest

    Blue Harvest Banned

    I have a weird idea that I haven't had time to test, but the numbers look promising-ish. I'll post it in my next RMT if it doesn't suck.

    Porygon Z @ Chople Berry
    Modest - Download
    252 HP / 144 Defense / 104 Special Defense / 8 Special Attack

    Shadow Ball
    HP Fighting / Charge Beam

    A common misconception is that Porygon Z is incredibly frail, when in reality its actually bulkier than Starmie and has just one weakness. The key to this set is Download and Recover. Download gives me a Special Attack boost when the defending pokemon has less Special Defense than physical. Zapdos, Swampert, Vaporeon (when Bold), Scizor, Skarmory etc. Most of the metagame is physically defensive, even mixed sweepers run Rash and Naive to avoid the physical hits they would take. When defensive stats are tied, I get a Special Attack boost by default (Lucario, Heatran, Kingdra, some Infernape etc).

    I'm feeling lazy so I'll make this quick. Downloaded Tri-Attack will 2HKO Swampert while the other moves round off the coverage. Shadow Ball will beat Celebi while HP Fighting kills Heatran, Tyranitar and even physical Skarmory. The Special Attack isn't truly massive, but its still enough to OHKO frail pokes like Infernape and 2HKO bulky things. In other words, it does what it has to. Downloaded Tri-Attack hits harder than Mixape's LO Close Combat!

    Porygon Z can take retaliatory hits fairly well. It is guarenteed survival against Choice Band Tyranitar Stone Edge, +1 LO Gyarados Waterfall, LO Infernape and Heatran Fire Blasts, Gengar Focus Blast and even +0 LO Lucario Close Combat AFTER Stealth Rocks. Obviously this will put Porygon Z near death but he is capable of OHKOing all of them back (with a download boost and in Heatran's case, 20% prior damage). This is nice in a pinch, but the reason for Recover is Porygon Z's fantastic ability to be 3-4HKOed by just about every bulky pokemon around. Celebi, Swampert, Skarmory, Zapdos, Vaporeon, Impish Skarmory, Spinner Starmie, Gliscor, Hippowdon, Cresselia, Magnezone, and Rotom all fail to 2HKO Porygon Z while you happily KO them back in one or two shots (even Cresselia is 2HKOed) Recover stalling when needed.

    Porygon Z can 1-2HKO most of the metagame with almost no fear of a retaliatory OHKO from big sweepers while weaker walls barely break 30%.


    **Charge Beam is an option to beat Blissey with (sort of) and also take on Specially Defensive Skarmory. Charge Beam will also bring Tri-Attacks power beyond anything else seen in OU after one boost, but at the cost of coverage (you can drop Shadow Ball too).
  14. RedBladeMF

    RedBladeMF New Member

    I have a Froslass that looks like this:

    ;478; Froslass @ Focus Sash / Bright Powder
    Nature: Timid
    EVs: 255 Speed , 255 HP
    Ability: Snow coat
    -Confuse Ray

    Froslass' purpose in my team is very simply to piss off the opponent. It's moveset works on basically anyone but steel-types and perfect accuracy moves.

    I kinda like this moveset. Here's how it works: First confuse ray. I probably attack first because of high speed. If the opponent hits despite confusion, Focus sash would guarantee two turns, but only work once. Then Hail, because it raises my evasion. With Bright powder which lowers the opponent's evasion, I would have slim chances getting hit. Then toxic, because the opponent suffers a lot of damage per turns in combination with hail and confuse ray. And finally Blizzard, because it deals 120 damage, with a STAB bonus for Ice-type and gets a 100 accuracy with Hail.

    So the question is, is this moveset any good? And which is better: Focus Sash/Band, Bright powder, or something totally different?
  15. That Frosslass would make a good annoyer. If you put him on a team with Abomasnow, then you can forgo Hail for Thunder Wave for more annoying people. Then you might have to replace Toxic, or just save it for those immune to paralysis. And yeah, go Bright Powder. It adds to the hax fun:)

    Also, I have this great sneak attack Gengar set. Would it be good?

    Gengar@Focus Sash
    EVs: 252Spe, 252SpA, 4Spd
    -Destiny Bond
    -Focus Blast
    -Shadow Ball

    The main job is to look like a sweeping Gengar by killing something with Shadow Ball or Focus Blast. Then when the opponent brings in their next Pokemon, I can hopefully pull out Counter (my first trap) and kill it, if it's a physical attacker. Then, with proper prediction, I can spring the final trap and take out something else with Destiny Bond. I have got all 3 kills before. Any way I could improve it? Any preferred teammate options?
  16. cakedup

    cakedup Well-Known Member

    I want to see what everyone else thinks on which would be better for HAR.
    My first pick was Honchkrow, but now that Dragonite has Extremespeed I think he would be better. This is for OU singles.

    Honchkrow w/Super Luck and Life Orb
    Lonely 252 Atk/252 Spe/4 SpA
    Sucker Punch
    Heat Wave
    Brave Bird


    Dragonite with Life Orb
    Lonely 252 Atk/252 Spe/4 SpA
    Outrage/Dragon Claw/Draco Meteor
    Fire Blast/Fire Punch

    Neither of these are meant to be the main sweeper, just something to annoy my opponent with. I believe it should keep the pressure on my opponent
  17. Hey! Remember me?

    Personally, I believe that the best kind of hit-and-run Pokemon is one with U-Turn or Baton Pass. Still, out of these two Dragonite would make the better one. Run Outrage/Fire Blast/Roost/Extremespeed and you should be good.
  18. xLilith

    xLilith Genesis

    If you're going to hit and run, why are you using Roost?

    Outrage/Fire Blast/ExtremeSpeed is fine, but add Earthquake for the last spot so Heatran doesn't wall.
  19. 4kjayhawks

    4kjayhawks I do it for tha hood

    You can't really hit-and-run with Outrage either. I think the best user of "hit-and-run" are choiced
  20. He said he wanted it to be annoying, so I thought Roosting back to full health would be pretty annoying. Still, a choice set would be better for hit-n-run. Try Outrage/Earthquake/Superpower/Extremespeed

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