Congress within the United States is trying to make Hentai illegal! Video Inside!!

[ebilly99]

That's one step away from totalitarianism. If they deemed television harmful, you'd just agree with them?

Thank you. That was the point I was tring to make

 

[7 tyranitars]

You are taking the rights of people to veiw porn that they like. While child porn is harming someone there is no harm to cartoons. Weither or not it causes crimes in not important. One can not prohibit something to everyone b/c some may do evil b/c of it.

ehm dude, I 'don't want to ban it -.- I said if watching cartoons safes children from being raped then it should stay

 

[ebilly99]

ehm dude, I 'don't want to ban it -.- I said if watching cartoons safes children from being raped then it should stay

Whoops I am fighting a guy who agrees on it

 

[7 tyranitars]

Whoops I am fighting a guy who agrees on it

mistakes happen, now I understand why I didn't get you

 

[Mariya Shidou]

The problem here is we're now judging ages by appearance, which is a really bad path - I've met girls in their early teens who look 18-20 and I've met girls for whom the reverse is true, all that's really needed is a change of hairstyle and makeup.

What next? can't have porn with an 18 year old because she looks younger than her age? things can go bad, quickly, when we start allowing laws like this.

Unless a characters age is spelled out, it doesn't make any sense to claim they are under 18.

Basically this. The people who are shitting bricks over this are reacting a little harshly. Indeed, there are reasons to protect children from child molesters. This, however, doesn't do anything except regulate things that may or may not need to be regulated.

Now, I'm not saying I'm pro-"lolicon" -- and if I was I wouldn't be saying that publicly, since that's about an inch from saying "Child rapists? Cool!" -- but, come on, things are not always exactly what they look like, especially in visual art that doesn't involve real people. If there's no proof that the character in question is under the legal age... I mean, I think some scrutiny should be involved, but if you just say "the girl looks underage, it's child porn KILL IT WITH FIRE," that's just overkill. Especially considering the visual style, where a lot of characters look younger than intended.

See I have to absolutely disagree with you. Pedophiles by and large are already going to have sexual urges toward children. If they can find a outlet for their urges through drawn pornography, instead of actual child pornography, or even worse going after actual children, then what harm is that?

Pedophiles are people like anyone else, and just like anyone else they have to find outlets for their own sexual urges. So you have to ask yourself, what would you rather have it be, pictures of drawn children, or pictures of real children?

Though I'm not perfectly sure that this would help for pedophiles, this is basically what I think.

Somehow I'm agreeing with BigLutz. Cyanide pills and bottles of water are located under your chair...

 

[dragoniteKnight]

Theres alot of people that looks like children in pornography, lets ban that too. ooo lets also ban jean commercials, it might give people ideas if children wear pants.

 

[Hejiru]

I'm getting an awful flashback to when Austraila banned small-breasted porn.

 

[Alleviate]

it might give people ideas if children wear pants.

thats one hell of a slippery slope

 

[Pesky Persian]

First Hentai is not child porn, (Nor technicly any drawn porn is b/c they contain no life) What you are against is Loli/yonger porn. That would be like banning all video games b/c a few show blood. If you only wanted to ban Loli/yonger I may have seen the point, but let me ask you something will the goverment stop at that. (Sick people are fat, we need to outlaw transfats, Cellphones might distract people so we need to outlaw all cellphones, Internet is turning people into athiest so we need to outlaw internet.) Remeber the story of the Lumberjack and the trees. The trees gave up one of there own to try to rid themselves of the lumberjack only to have the lumberjack make a stronger ax to chop them all down. Any freedom you give up to the goverment must be bought back by blood

Any point you were trying to make was completely lost when you went off on a tangent about lumberjacks. So banning a form of pornography that often includes people who look like children is taking away rights? It's not like the government is asking you to give up everything you have... Unless the only thing you have is a bunch of porn.

There's a big difference. Child porn (aka actual pictures of children) is illegal because children are being exploited. If some guy wants to fap to cartoon girls, he's not really hurting anyone. Yeah, it's a little disturbing but it's not like you have to consider the feelings/rights of a fictional character.

Perhaps I have a misunderstanding of the word "hentai" but I'm not into porn in the first place so my knowledge on the subject is admittedly limited. However, I still feel that child porn in any form is in some way exploiting children, exploiting their bodies. I find it morally wrong.

Not that correlation =/= causation or anything.. but I highly doubt porn and sex crimes have a casual link either way to my knowledge.

Hence why I said "correlation" in my post. I realize porn may not be the cause of sex related crimes. I just find it to be interesting that if porn supposedly reduces said crimes the correlation exists at all.

 

[darkcharizard58]

Malanu's an ex-marine, I'm sure he has a lot to share about the topic of rape.

Thats kind of harsh bro

 

[VizardBlue]

To be honest, the law is useless either way. Do you know how much friggen effort it would take to go over ALL the porn on the internet? It's the internet for christ's sake. Ban book-form hentai, sure why not. But you can't just ban all the hentai on the internet..it's..well it's impossible, to be honest.

 

[JoshCube]

First Hentai is not child porn, (Nor technicly any drawn porn is b/c they contain no life) What you are against is Loli/yonger porn. That would be like banning all video games b/c a few show blood. If you only wanted to ban Loli/yonger I may have seen the point, but let me ask you something will the goverment stop at that. (Sick people are fat, we need to outlaw transfats, Cellphones might distract people so we need to outlaw all cellphones, Internet is turning people into athiest so we need to outlaw internet.) Remeber the story of the Lumberjack and the trees. The trees gave up one of there own to try to rid themselves of the lumberjack only to have the lumberjack make a stronger ax to chop them all down. Any freedom you give up to the goverment must be bought back by blood

If I recall correctly, the Australian government tried to pass a law a while back banning porn videos of women that appeared to be under age but were not. For example, porn videos of petite women with small breasts and small bodies. The law was later struck down by Australia's court.

The situation here with hentai is quite similar. You can't just go around going "Oh, that woman is underage because she looks underage." You can't do that.

Check this out dude. I met my fiance at a Wal-Mart store and when I first laid eyes upon her, I thought she was about 16 years old. I secretly liked her because of her personality, but I started questioning myself of why I was falling for a minor (I was around 22 at the time.) That was until she gave me her phone number and she told me she was an adult on the phone.

See, right there is a good example. You CANNOT go by looks when it comes to people. There was even one time some Asian chick that I thought was 26 went out with me and she thought I was 30. When we sat down together eating, we were shocked to find out that she was 40 and I was 21.

 

[GaZsTiC]

The children are cartoons. Cartoons.

Cartoons do not need protecting.

 

[bel9]

To be honest, the law is useless either way. Do you know how much friggen effort it would take to go over ALL the porn on the internet? It's the internet for christ's sake. Ban book-form hentai, sure why not. But you can't just ban all the hentai on the internet..it's..well it's impossible, to be honest.

That is not how it would be enforced. If you were caught for some other type of cyber crime or porn crime [whatever] and your computer was taken as evidence and they found it, then you would just be charged for the cartoon CP on top of whatever your initial crime was.

 

[JoshCube]

There's a big difference. Child porn (aka actual pictures of children) is illegal because children are being exploited. If some guy wants to fap to cartoon girls, he's not really hurting anyone. Yeah, it's a little disturbing but it's not like you have to consider the feelings/rights of a fictional character.

Well, the thing is, Congress wants to ban Lolicon/Shotacon because they think this will influence pedophiles to go out and molest children. I actually think the opposite because they are banning their only outsource.

If you have a dog in your porch and you refuse to feed him, do you think he's going to stay in your porch? No, he's going to run away.

The reason why I think this will happen is because the pedophiles will not be able to control themselves and may figure that if both are banned, they might as well go out and get the real thing and take chances (unless they switch to porn with petite women and fantasize they are underage.) But still, that's not as easy since most petite women look like preteens.

However, charges for Lolicon/Shotacon are very minor at this point. The people that get caught looking at it usually get 6 months to a year in prison. But still, that is not good. Who wants to go to prison over something stupid like that?

 

[ebilly99]

Well, the thing is, Congress wants to ban Lolicon/Shotacon because they think this will influence pedophiles to go out and molest children. I actually think the opposite because they are banning their only outsource.

If you have a dog in your porch and you refuse to feed him, do you think he's going to stay in your porch? No, he's going to run away.

The reason why I think this will happen is because the pedophiles will not be able to control themselves and may figure that if both are banned, he might as well go out and get the real thing and take his chances (unless he switches to porn with petite women and fantasizes they are underage.) But still, that's not as easy since most petite women look like preteens.

And if this law passes how long until we ban petie women and shaved are outlawed too?

 

[JoshCube]

What if the character belongs to someone else? Then the artist has to live with how some pervert morphed his or her characters. Off topic, I know...

This is another thing I have thought of myself.

Art can be highly exaggerated. So if a guy draws a bunch of tiny elf girls with blue skin along with small breasts and bodies, will this still qualify as cartoon child pornography? What about if he draws a character that appears to look like a female child, but the other half of her body is a snake along with small breasts? How the hell could this be child porn if these depictions are purely fantasy?

No, it's copyright infringment only when the violator is making money and/or preventing the creator from making money.

I think copyright also applies even if it doesn't involve money right? Like if I made a website and posted a bunch of Mickey Mouse pictures on it, I think Disney could make me take it down because they own the rights to that character.

 

[ebilly99]

I think copyright also applies even if it doesn't involve money right? Like if I made a website and posted a bunch of Mickey Mouse pictures on it, I think Disney could make me take it down because they own the rights to that character.

While they might they would not be able to get money out of it (I think) Also you would be suprised how many disney charcters have been hentized

 

[JoshCube]

I was wondering if there was anything they could additionally be charged with for including the character in porn or something

Lets take a look at another thing here.

Congress is trying to make Lolicon/Shotacon illegal saying it is child porn. Now, off we go to dictionary.com

Child
- 10 dictionary results

   [chahyld] Show IPA
–noun, plural chil·dren.
1. a person between birth and full growth; a boy or girl: books for children.
2. a son or daughter: All my children are married.
3. a baby or infant.
4. a human fetus.
5. a childish person: He's such a child about money.
6. a descendant: a child of an ancient breed.
7. any person or thing regarded as the product or result of particular agencies, influences, etc.: Abstract art is a child of the 20th century.
8. a person regarded as conditioned or marked by a given circumstance, situation, etc.: a child of poverty; a child of famine.
9. British Dialect Archaic . a female infant.
10. Archaic . childe.
—Idiom
11.
with child, pregnant: She's with child.

Now that we have seen "Child", lets see "Pornography."

Pornography

   [pawr-nog-ruh-fee] Show IPA
–noun
obscene writings, drawings, photographs, or the like, especially those having little or no artistic merit.

1. writings, pictures, films, etc, designed to stimulate sexual excitement
2. the production of such material

This technically does not match the above statements because the person is not a REAL CHILD.

In that case Rule 34 would have to be banned.

I'd give it 2 days before Anonymous topples the government.

Deja Vu, I was actually just reading about Anonymous today. People thought they hacked PSN, but they replied they didn't. The FBI put out 40 search warrants for them, five members were arrested in the UK.

I could see anon doing this and putting up extremely Graphic hentai on all the goverments sites LOL

That would actually be awesome if Anonymous did that.

I am surprised the FBI hasn't shut them down yet. I thought they could find anyone, hmmm........

 

[Hejiru]

Deja Vu, I was actually just reading about Anonymous today. People thought they hacked PSN, but they replied they didn't. The FBI put out 40 search warrants for them, five members were arrested in the UK.

The FBI is going after Anonymous now? Lol.

And I don't think Anonymous had anything to do with the PSN hack. They're usually pretty quick to announce themselves when they do something; they don't usually deny their attacks.