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Corphish

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Benmeister2 said:
Corphish doesn't need to evolve. If it needed a reason to then it would. But currently it doesn't so it won't.

At the same time one can ask, why doesn't Corpfish evolve? Everyone else is evolving in the team (Pikachu is a major exception here) so why not? Corpfish isn't exactly in the "I'm powerful enough" category because that really doesn't exist.

Grovyle evolved to protect Meganium

Taillow evolved to win

Phanpy evolved to beat TR's mech

They evolve when it was currently needed, they didn't go, I suck last episode so I need to evolve, so Corpfish can follow as well. Ash's pokemon usually evolve under certain circumstances and not just at random like some other pokemon I can mention....

As for battling and such, such arguments in reality are poor, in the end the writers decide who Ash fights and with what pokemon so there's no serious issues there. For personality? Apparently people are loving Donphan for keeping it's Phanpy personality so I do not see why Corpfish can't do the same.

Though I have to admit, I'm happy enough with Sceptile and Donphan :D
 

The Benmeister

Master of Magnet
nameless said:
At the same time one can ask, why doesn't Corpfish evolve? Everyone else is evolving in the team (Pikachu is a major exception here) so why not? Corpfish isn't exactly in the "I'm powerful enough" category because that really doesn't exist.

Grovyle evolved to protect Meganium

Taillow evolved to win

Phanpy evolved to beat TR's mech

They evolve when it was currently needed, they didn't go, I suck last episode so I need to evolve, so Corpfish can follow as well. Ash's pokemon usually evolve under certain circumstances and not just at random like some other pokemon I can mention....

As for battling and such, such arguments in reality are poor, in the end the writers decide who Ash fights and with what pokemon so there's no serious issues there. For personality? Apparently people are loving Donphan for keeping it's Phanpy personality so I do not see why Corpfish can't do the same.

Though I have to admit, I'm happy enough with Sceptile and Donphan :D

What I was trying to say that currently it doesn't have a reason to evolve. But it may come under the circumstances of a reason, in which case it can go ahead and evolve. But at the moment it seems fine as it is.
 

The Big Al

I just keeping Octo
Benmeister2 said:
What I was trying to say that currently it doesn't have a reason to evolve. But it may come under the circumstances of a reason, in which case it can go ahead and evolve. But at the moment it seems fine as it is.
Donphan and Sceptile didn't have any reasons to evolve before the episodes they did. So, if Corphish evolves, it will likely be in an episode centered around him and they'll be no foreshadowing. He'll just need the extra power or the dark attributes to win and will evolve. It worked for everyone else, I don't see why he'd be any different.

That aside, Corphish still needs more screen time. Ash hasn't trained it like he's trained the others, especially as of late. The last time Corphish saw much action was against Tucker and before that the Dragonair Lake episode. Corphish needs to train a new move of some kind at least to give it a reason to exist on the team.
 

.Bambi.

Be Wise, Tell Lies.
Ookey...some people are taking this "Dark beats Psychic" thing WAY too seriously.

I find this entire Thread laughable, actually. Not that it's at anyone in particular, because all "_______ is going to Evolve?" make me laugh with their crazy pseudo-theories and desperation.
Honestly, Corphish evolving to rival Tetsuya's Shiftry? I couldn't even dream up these theories to mock the people who say them o_O

Anywhays, back to the Dark thing. I don't know about you, but I would find it cheap if Corphish only evolved to take down Anabel's Alakazam. And how do we even know she'll have an Alakazam? *cough*MedichamHariyamaGreta*cough*

Besides, this Umbreon talk is missing one essential thing. Let's take a look, shall we? Sans the horrible Houndour filler where all the pups did was spew fire, Gary's Umbreon was the first real Dark type to grace the Pokemon screen and show it's resistance to psychic attacks.
Think about it, wouldn’t the writers want to really emphasize Dark's resistance to Psychic attacks to show how cool their new type is? I think so. That's why they made its win so effortless.

Didn't anyone notice that after "Power Play" the Dark type became...less special? Hell, Poochyena are floating in mid-air from a Confusion attack!


My take on a Corphish evolution? I'm truly impartial. Seriously, I'm fine either way. I LOVE Corphish, infact, it's my favourite Ash Pokemon. I love it's crazy antics and attitude, though an evolution could really help it. But there's always the fact that it really doesn't need to evolve [well, neither did Grovyle].

I personally don't see anything ugly about Crawdaunt, and don't believe Ash's would be ugly [especially after seeing his Sceptile AND this cute picture of a non-Team Aqua Crawdaunt].
I do, however, agree that something needs to happen with Corphish. Little training and the same attack formulas get tedious, riding on the back of a Swellow or not. A new attack AT LEAST plz.
 
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I personally don't see anything ugly about Crawdaunt, and don't believe Ash's would be ugly [especially after seeing his Sceptile AND this cute picture of a non-Team Aqua Crawdaunt].

.....that's not cute that's freakin disturbing. Ok I'm convinced Corpfish shouldn't evolve otherwise he'll give kids nightmares about a lobster with that face staring at them all night. :p
 

.Bambi.

Be Wise, Tell Lies.
nameless said:
.....that's not cute that's freakin disturbing. Ok I'm convinced Corpfish shouldn't evolve otherwise he'll give kids nightmares about a lobster with that face staring at them all night. :p
*gaaaaaaaasp* How can you think that? It's freaking ADORABLE!
 
personally don't see anything ugly about Crawdaunt, and don't believe Ash's would be ugly [especially after seeing his Sceptile AND this cute picture of a non-Team Aqua Crawdaunt].
AWWWWWWW!
It's sssssoooo adorable!
I didn't think that could be possible. There is a slim chance Corphish will evolve, and after seeing that picture, I'm beginning to warm to the idea.
But first Corphy needs much more training.
 

The Big Al

I just keeping Octo
He needs training Regardless. Seriously, he's been the most shafted Pokemon on Ash's team. As I said, something needs to happen to him.
 

Momoko Lover

Hop, Skip, Jump!!!
Kawaiiest.Combusken said:
Ookey...some people are taking this "Dark beats Psychic" thing WAY too seriously.

I find this entire Thread laughable, actually. Not that it's at anyone in particular, because all "_______ is going to Evolve?" make me laugh with their crazy pseudo-theories and desperation.
Honestly, Corphish evolving to rival Tetsuya's Shiftry? I couldn't even dream up these theories to mock the people who say them o_O

Anywhays, back to the Dark thing. I don't know about you, but I would find it cheap if Corphish only evolved to take down Anabel's Alakazam. And how do we even know she'll have an Alakazam? *cough*MedichamHariyamaGreta*cough*

Besides, this Umbreon talk is missing one essential thing. Let's take a look, shall we? Sans the horrible Houndour filler where all the pups did was spew fire, Gary's Umbreon was the first real Dark type to grace the Pokemon screen and show it's resistance to psychic attacks.
Think about it, wouldn’t the writers want to really emphasize Dark's resistance to Psychic attacks to show how cool their new type is? I think so. That's why they made its win so effortless.

Didn't anyone notice that after "Power Play" the Dark type became...less special? Hell, Poochyena are floating in mid-air from a Confusion attack!


My take on a Corphish evolution? I'm truly impartial. Seriously, I'm fine either way. I LOVE Corphish, infact, it's my favourite Ash Pokemon. I love it's crazy antics and attitude, though an evolution could really help it. But there's always the fact that it really doesn't need to evolve [well, neither did Grovyle].

I personally don't see anything ugly about Crawdaunt, and don't believe Ash's would be ugly [especially after seeing his Sceptile AND this cute picture of a non-Team Aqua Crawdaunt].
I do, however, agree that something needs to happen with Corphish. Little training and the same attack formulas get tedious, riding on the back of a Swellow or not. A new attack AT LEAST plz.

Look at the little Crawdaunt! It's so cute and innocent. Sorry, just needed to say that. Anyways, Corphish doesn't really need to evolve, just look at Pikachu, even though it technically did evolve from a Pichu maybe, but Corphish is fine as it is for now, but just needs more screentime.
 

greta_lover

I don't know........
I don't think Corphish will evolve anyways. Crawdaunt is a Team Aqua Pokemon, anyways.
 

Yamato-san

I own the 5th gen
The Big Al said:
He needs training Regardless. Seriously, he's been the most shafted Pokemon on Ash's team.

Especially now that Cotoise is gone. Anyway, I'm kinda indifferent to the matter. If he stays as is, he'll always be the quirky little lobster we all know and love that has a tendency to say "Hei hei!" If it does evolve, Satoshi would finally have a fully-evolved team (minus Pikachu for obvious reasons), and make him seem more like a badass. On the other hand, even though it sucked that evolution was rare back in the day, it might be best if the writers don't show that they're too stuck on evolution now and put emphasis on at least one unevolved Pokemon like they used to (yeah, I prefer evolutions better, but it seems to be the show's nature to showcase all Pokemon for the greatness that they are on their own. What really p*ssed me off back in the Kantou days is that they constantly made the little plushies look like the good guys while evolution's a bad thing, like Lizardon's attitude or that crappy Eievui episode that I utterly despise. Given, we have Haruka now, but Satoshi always has been the type to accept Pokemon for what they are, so maybe they should still show that in his current team, even if just a little bit).

Anyway, I had a thought.... what if Heigani wasn't really intended to be one of Satoshi's main fighters? What if, much like Sounansu or Manene, he's mostly there for the comic relief. Think about it, he never had a non-Rocket battle between Asuna and Adan's gyms. However, in between that whole time, he did get a bit of spotlight in episodes, like at the space center with Fuu and Ran. Yet, it's still able to pull its weight around as a member of Satoshi's team because it's a Pokemon that has both a hard shell for defense and brute strength (even in the games, its physical stats are very high for an unevolved Pokemon). Even though it's unevolved, it could almost act as a non-evolving Pokemon like Heracross because of this (though, this didn't work too well for Cotoise). Though, I'm with The Big Al, even if this is the case, it'd be nice to see some training for the guy, especially not to have that shafted in favor of a certain something I won't speak of in the Hakuryuu lake episode.
 

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The only beef I have with Corphish being the comedy-relief guy is... they need to push it up more! Lately we haven't been seeing that ol' Corphish perk his head in and for the spots that do it hasn't been enough. I'm really worried as to what they are considering with Corphish. It is as if they don't want him to be a master of any field! So if the comedy bits are what they choose, then it needs to be spiced up. If they want the more serious fighter route, well then that obviously needs to be backed up by attacks and/or evolution.
 

CyberCubed

Yeah, ok!
Yamato-san said:
If it does evolve, Satoshi would finally have a fully-evolved team (minus Pikachu for obvious reasons), and make him seem more like a badass. On the other hand, even though it sucked that evolution was rare back in the day, it might be best if the writers don't show that they're too stuck on evolution now and put emphasis on at least one unevolved Pokemon like they used to (yeah, I prefer evolutions better, but it seems to be the show's nature to showcase all Pokemon for the greatness that they are on their own. What really p*ssed me off back in the Kantou days is that they constantly made the little plushies look like the good guys while evolution's a bad thing, like Lizardon's attitude or that crappy Eievui episode that I utterly despise. Given, we have Haruka now, but Satoshi always has been the type to accept Pokemon for what they are, so maybe they should still show that in his current team, even if just a little bit).

I believe you answered your own question. Now that we have May in the show, the writers have shifted the "cute Pokemon" vibe to her, instead of Ash which he had for Kanto/Johto.

Since Ash has matured in AG, his Pokemon are maturing with him. If Corphish actually does evolve, then every single one of his AG captures will have reached their final forms. The writers can showcase evolved forms with Ash, something they never used to do.

Meanwhile with May, she's been getting the cute Pokemon that the writers on the other hand still want to promote, for either kids, the female audience, or just for the games. Skitty and Eevee are adorable, which is probably why May got these two Pokes instead of Ash.

Aside from Combusken and Beautifly, and of course Eevee when the time is right, I don't see the rest of her pokemon ever evolving. Skitty will probably remain as it is now, (plus Moon Stones are rare), Bulbasaur will stay the same like Ash's so they can share the mentor dynamic that Ash/May share, Munchlax will never evolve for obvious reasons, and I don't see Squirtle evolving either.

Besides finally adding a major female character to the cast, the writers probably feel that her introduction was a godsend. They can finally have best of both worlds, Ash with evolved forms, and May with a few evolved forms and cute Pokemon.

The cuteness dynamic shifting to May also makes sense, since she's supossed to raise the female demographic watching the series. Little girls watching the show like cute Pokemon, they probably find the Contests "pretty", and with May they finally have a character that they can root for of the same gender, since otherwise all girls had was Ash. You couldn't really root for Misty either since she was a sidekick who never did anything.
 
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If what you say is true, then why bother giving Ash Corphish at all? Or rather a Corphish with the personality of Ash's Corphish. I'm not saying that I wish they hadn't, but if they truly wanted May to take up a 'cute' mantle (even though Corphish is not cute, he's funny) then they should not have bothered with Ash.

In BF, your theory holds a little more weight. If Corphish evolves then it could be as you say. But due to the current circumstances, I'm not certain if you should include Skitty in the argument. Skitty's chilling back in Petalburg. If they only wanted May for her cute-carrying abilities, then it would've joined them in the BF. The same holds true for Bulbasaur... or might have, had they not started the romantic sub-plot of hers and Ash's. And of course there's Combusken, but I don't think anyone is going to put up a fight against that choice in evolution.

I'm not giving your thoughts the proverbial shove Cyber. I'd like to think they started with May as the 'girl hero for girl fans' character. But she's come a long way since then. Had they honestly felt the need to keep up with that characteristic, Swablu would be hers right now. Torchic would still be Torchic. Skitty would in the Battle Frontier. Munchlax would have been Manene. Squirtle and Eevee might be trying to fill in the void in some abstract manner, but it's only been as of recent. So I don't believe their choices with Ash reflect back on May.
 

ghost master

the kawaiist thing
Corphish needs at least one new move. Crunch or Water Pulse would suffice.
I dont really care. If crawdaunt assures corphish more positive screentime while keeping its personality then its okay with me.
 
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Nidorino99

^^Awesome sprite
Corphish evolving? Nah. The writers wouldn't do that. People haven't noticed that there have never been any dark types in the gang, for obvious reasons.
 

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What are you talking about, "haven't noticed"? People bring up that lame Dark-type excuse every time there's a Corphish debate.
 
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Nidorino99 said:
Corphish evolving? Nah. The writers wouldn't do that. People haven't noticed that there have never been any dark types in the gang, for obvious reasons.

Since when was it ever stated that dark types were evil pokemon?

I guess that makes Gary an evil person then.

No offense but that's a really bad excuse.

Unless Corpfish comes forth and says it doesn't want to evolve like Bulbasaur and Pikachu did who actually said they didn't want to.

Then we have the pathetic argument about Corpfish is strong enough, except people forget when Corpfish got jealous of Grovyle, it tried taking on a Lucidolo, a 2nd stage pokemon, and got it's butt handed to it. Sorry folks it's strong but not THAT strong.
 
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Nameless, in Japan dark pokemon are literary called evil pokemon. That is why almost always when we have ever seen a dark pokemon it has done something devious. I am sure that we all thought that Ash was going to get Manyula but I think that now all evidence points to Jessie getting it.
 
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