Crazy story mode idea

[danburite]

I've been thinking, Game Freak does like their money, and since a story mode appears to be confirmed (see Serebii.net's Battle Revolution page http://www.serebii.net/battle/ ) it wouldn't make sense for this new game to have Pokemon that were made available in Diamond/Pearl a few months prior.

So, what if Game Freak set aside a roster of say, 30-40 Generation IV Pokemon (complete with unique starters and legendaries) that are only available in Battle Revolution?
If you take Colosseum as an example, Johto Pokemon were only available in that game, so why not do it again with *unique* Pokemon?

I'm not saying that it WILL happen, or that it's a particularly good thing, but it would make the Story Mode a lot more interesting than another "Shadow Pokemon" adventure.

Any thoughts?
Just please don't say "NO, this won't happen!" without having evidence (and not "The last 2 3D Pokemon games have had Shadows so this one will too!").
At this point, anything's possible!

 

[The Missing Number]

I don't agree with shadows - to repetitive. Just my 2 cents.
ON TOPIC
I reckon that your idea is great! Just, one thing, it should have it's own dex, not be part of the Shinou dex, otherwise to complete the game you will have to be
A) Really good
B)live in america
C) own a wii.
so it should have it's own category.

 

[danburite]

I don't agree with shadows - to repetitive. Just my 2 cents.
ON TOPIC
I reckon that your idea is great! Just, one thing, it should have it's own dex, not be part of the Shinou dex, otherwise to complete the game you will have to be
A) Really good
B)live in america
C) own a wii.
so it should have it's own category.

Yeah, it doesn't even necessarily need a Pokedex, just do what Colo/XD do, and state how many you've gotten on the save dialogue.
I imagine if it did happen, "Revolution Pokemon" would only be part of the National Dex in D/P.

 

[Shinin]

There shouldn't be any pokemon from the next generation that are only on PBR. Also, where did Serebii.net get the information that there will be an RPG mode? No other sources I've seen (the video translation and IGN) say anything about an RPG mode.

 

[JohtoBlaziken]

I happen to like that idea.

1) It would give people a lot more of a reason to get it.

2) The Pokemon that are pratically impossible to get or get better moves gimmick from XD has been used up, and just things like that from D/P won't be enough.

3) Shadow Pokemon were neat at first getting to know all of your Pokemon more and all, but I hope we don't have a third game that uses them. X_x

4) One of my favorite aspects of Colosseum was that I could use Pokemon that were unique to that game (at the time; and not including G/S), giving me completely new options rather than remixed old ones and such.

I say it's a good idea. More people would probably buy it due to it having possibly their new fav., or for Pokedex reasons. So, in short, Gamefreak wins AND we win. Sadly, it's crazy, and most likely won't happen.

 

[pbellosom]

I was also wondering whether Nintendo would do this, I would love it to happen but I'd be worried that people with Gamesharks would get these extra Pokemon before the Wii game came out.

For those people who say it wont happen I'd like to point out that Deoxys can be traded to Ruby and Sapphire but can only be caught (with a ticket) on Fire Red, Leaf Green and Emerald, the same is true with the elemental Hyeprbeams and Volt Tackle.

 

[mewfanforlife]

It's an intereting idea, but most people won't own Wii right away so it would just be a pain to fill up the Dex.

 

[JONNO.FRESH]

Like your idea and not only should they put in D/P exclusive Pokemon but Deoxys/mew or Celebi should make an appearance

 

[ArrEmmDee]

I like the idea of Pokémon exclusive to the BR, even appearing as Pokémon owned by trainers in those games, but unobtainable for your purposes. Considering the games will both (probably) come out at a similar time, I was also contemplating a potential plot intertwining or otherwise.

Hypothetical situation just to illustrate what I'm trying to say. Suppose at one point during the game, the generic bad guy team of the game has the Safari Zone of Shinou shut down, and is shipping Pokemon off across the country to make revenue for whatever plan they're making. As the hero, you'd have to fight everyone, etc. etc.

By the time you reach the local commander/boss encounter, the pre-battle text explains one shipment of certain Pokémon was already made. When you defeat him, the operation is shut down and the other shipment was stopped, but it is explained certain entirely exclusive species were sent in that shipment, and it is impossible to know where they now are. The issue is never resolved in the DS games, and it is impossible to capture those Pokémon the entire game.



Forward to Battle Revolution, either a local branch of said evil team or an entirely different group altogether is revealed to have been the recievers of the shipment in an extra dialogue bit and can be obtained in a Casino or in a field when you set them free, or if Shadow Pokémon return (which I'm beginning to doubt, regretfully), they'd be snaggables.

Their motives for the Pokémon purchase may or may not be explained-- if they're just your average sorts of Pokémon, it'd just be to sell them off for profit or otherwise, if they're special Pokémon that have unusual properties or something that would make them appealing to the organization like Groudon/Kyogre were to Aqua/Magma, then it might have more plot relevance in BR than just simply being 'finally obtainables'.

 

[danburite]

I was also wondering whether Nintendo would do this, I would love it to happen but I'd be worried that people with Gamesharks would get these extra Pokemon before the Wii game came out.

For those people who say it wont happen I'd like to point out that Deoxys can be traded to Ruby and Sapphire but can only be caught (with a ticket) on Fire Red, Leaf Green and Emerald, the same is true with the elemental Hyeprbeams and Volt Tackle.

Yep, exactly- it's been done before, but not quite on this scale. As for cheaters, it'll be quite easy to get around cheaters. Look at cheated Mews and Deoxys (Deoxi?)... they disobey the trainer, thus lessening the appeal.

Well, as long as D/P has good cheat filters for Wi-Fi/Online Wii play, i'm not too concerned about cheaters.

It's an intereting idea, but most people won't own Wii right away so it would just be a pain to fill up the Dex.

...And it's not a pain already? All they have to do is make the new ones only show up in the National Dex. Problem solved.

... By the time you reach the local commander/boss encounter, the pre-battle text explains one shipment of certain Pokémon was already made. When you defeat him, the operation is shut down and the other shipment was stopped, but it is explained certain entirely exclusive species were sent in that shipment, and it is impossible to know where they now are. The issue is never resolved in the DS games, and it is impossible to capture those Pokémon the entire game.

Forward to Battle Revolution, either a local branch of said evil team or an entirely different group altogether is revealed to have been the recievers of the shipment in an extra dialogue bit and can be obtained in a Casino or in a field when you set them free, or if Shadow Pokémon return (which I'm beginning to doubt, regretfully), they'd be snaggables.

Their motives for the Pokémon purchase may or may not be explained-- if they're just your average sorts of Pokémon, it'd just be to sell them off for profit or otherwise, if they're special Pokémon that have unusual properties or something that would make them appealing to the organization like Groudon/Kyogre were to Aqua/Magma, then it might have more plot relevance in BR than just simply being 'finally obtainables'.

That would be an excellent way of explaining it in-game. It could actually even be a combo of your final paragraph- a collection of unobtainables, and regular Pokemon with special properties.

 

[Dragonfree]

They don't like forcing people to buy spin-off games, period. Sure, the spin-off games can allow you to get Pokémon that you'd need to attend an event to get otherwise, but they'd never make them have something entirely exclusive to themselves.

 

[Pokemaníaco Desesperado]

They don't like forcing people to buy spin-off games, period. Sure, the spin-off games can allow you to get Pokémon that you'd need to attend an event to get otherwise, but they'd never make them have something entirely exclusive to themselves.

Meh, they could do like in colosseum: first, exclusive to that game, but time after they put them in a handheld game in a harder way.

 

[Dragonfree]

As far as I can see, danburite's idea is exactly to make them only available in Pokémon Battle Revolution and nowhere else.

 

[danburite]

As far as I can see, danburite's idea is exactly to make them only available in Pokémon Battle Revolution and nowhere else.

Well, I was thinking more along the lines of Colosseum- have them exclusive at first, then introduce them in later games (for example, the 3rd D/P game).
Mind you, this was mostly just a solution to the story mode dilemma: give it Shadow Pokemon again, or go with the handheld Pokemon style- either way, using Pokemon no-one needs.

They don't like forcing people to buy spin-off games, period.

I am curious as to why you said this... it doesn't seem to really fit with the capitalist ideology of a video game company.

 

[Dragonfree]

Uh, think what you like about how they "must" think according to your own view of video game companies, but I'm looking at what they've done before here. They specifically put all the "unobtainables" from Colosseum and XD into FR/LG and Emerald so you wouldn't need to get Colosseum and XD to fill your Pokédex. By your logic, they'd never have done that, but clearly they did.

 

[danburite]

Uh, think what you like about how they "must" think according to your own view of video game companies, but I'm looking at what they've done before here. They specifically put all the "unobtainables" from Colosseum and XD into FR/LG and Emerald so you wouldn't need to get Colosseum and XD to fill your Pokédex. By your logic, they'd never have done that, but clearly they did.

That is true... but you have to remember that there was about a 1-year gap between the two. Obviously they wanted people to buy Colosseum, and for a very long time it was the only way to obtain Johto Pokemon.
Not to mention that it still is the only way for Japanese players to get Celebi. Sounds like a marketing ploy to me!

 

[Dragonfree]

You're just stretching it out to fit with what you've already decided they're thinking. :/

Even with some time between the games, there is no reason for them to put all those Pokémon into FR/LG and Emerald if they just want everybody to be forced to get Colosseum and XD so they can sit and laugh evilly while counting their money. It just doesn't make sense, unless they get special pleasure out of watching people complain that "I wouldn't have had to get Colosseum anyway!" Right now, people can pick and choose - Colosseum/XD or FR/LG/Emerald? If it were really all just a "mwahahahaha, let's milk them all of all their money", they'd hardly specifically make only one of them necessary to complete the Pokédex.

And Celebi? The little legendaries have always required special effort to obtain, and that's why your Pokédex counts as complete even if you don't have them.

Heck, the Pokédex completion itself is not emphasized as anything important in the games. Nobody tells you to "catch 'em all" in-game, and nothing interesting gets unlocked unless I forgot about something. Wouldn't it be great marketing to make the Pokédex completion mandatory to access all the cool features, so you have to get all those games? Yay, money! *evil company boss laugh*

(Aside from that, Game Freak isn't even developing Colosseum/XD/Battle Revolution, so there is no particular reason they'd want you to buy them rather than their own games.)

 

[danburite]

...Even with some time between the games, there is no reason for them to put all those Pokémon into FR/LG and Emerald if they just want everybody to be forced to get Colosseum and XD so they can sit and laugh evilly while counting their money. It just doesn't make sense, unless they get special pleasure out of watching people complain that "I wouldn't have had to get Colosseum anyway!" Right now, people can pick and choose - Colosseum/XD or FR/LG/Emerald?

You're forgetting that they DID make a large amount of Pokemon exclusive to different games. If they didn't want people buying those games, why have exclusives at all?

Game Freak makes Pokemon to earn money. They don't do it to please the fans. If they did that, you'd be able to catch all 386 Pokemon in a single game.

But no. They created 7 Pokemon versions this generation (R/S/E, FR/LG, Colo/XD) each with Pokemon exclusive to those games. They released said games over a period of 2 years. Now, why would they pace the games over such a long period of time, if not to drive people to want every Pokemon?

It's simple economics. Supply and demand. They want people to demand their product, so they have to supply a reason for them to. A simple 3D battler with a forgettable story mode won't do that.
I bought Colosseum to get Johto Pokemon. I bought Red to get Kanto Pokemon. If both games had been full of Hoenn Pokemon, I wouldn't have bothered.

No, they supplied us with "new" and exciting Pokemon, so we demanded the games.
It doesn't matter if they released alternative methods eventually, because of the sheer amount of time between the initial Colosseum release and the alternative Emerald release. People wanted Johto, so the bought Colo. When the sales for that started to slip, out came Emerald, a fresh and exciting new game.

Hell, I don't know of anyone who bought Emerald for the Johto Pokemon. If I remember correctly, the animations, revamped story and Battle Frontier were the main selling points there.

(Aside from that, Game Freak isn't even developing Colosseum/XD/Battle Revolution, so there is no particular reason they'd want you to buy them rather than their own games.)

Uh, I believe they own the rights to Pokemon. That'd mean they'd get royalties.

 

[Dragonfree]

They created 7 Pokemon versions this generation (R/S/E, FR/LG, Colo/XD) each with Pokemon exclusive to those games.

My point is exactly that that is not true. None of the Pokémon obtainable in Colosseum and XD are completely exclusive to them. What I've been saying is simply that GameFreak never forces you to buy the 3D spin-off games to complete your Pokédex. The point of trading and Pokédex completion is that you need to cooperate with your friends to do it. (You can "cheat" by buying all the games yourself and getting two GBAs, but hey, that's your fault. They don't intend for the same person to buy both Ruby and Sapphire to get all the Pokémon. They want you to pick.) However, when people trade between the gameboy games and Colosseum/XD, they generally own both games and the GameCube. It's not a matter of trading with friends there. It's just unnecessarily time-consuming. Therefore, they didn't give Colosseum and XD "version exclusives", and I'd bet a nice sum that they won't do so with Battle Revolution either.

 

[R_N]

Sorry to interupt this little back-in-forth,but 30 to 40 4th Gen pokemon?
Dont you think thats just a bit to much?Collesium/XD Barely had 30(or so,gotta check that) and they were mixed,and you expect them to just put about a third of the new pokemon in it,AND make them exclusive to boot.You so crazy