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Create &/or Change Anything & Everything Competitive Edition!

Discussion in 'Older Gens' started by MetalFlygon08, Jul 22, 2012.

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  1. Divine Retribution

    Divine Retribution Master of the freak show

    Neither are viable anyways, I just included them for flavour reasons.
     
  2. Wishing Star

    Wishing Star Astral Charm Owner

    It just sucks that the vast majority of Game Freak's unique moves aren't competitively viable...

    But here's an attempt to fix that!

    New Move: Bright Room
    Type: Fairy / Power: -- / Accuracy: -- / PP: 5 / Target: Field / Category: Status / Priority: 0
    "The user blasts the room with a blinding light that lowers accuracy of most moves for five turns."
    - It specifically sets the accuracy of every move with a numerical accuracy value to 80% of its original value. Flamethrower's accuracy would be 80, Stone Edge's would be 64%, Supersonic's would be 44%, etc. It doesn't affect moves without a numerical accuracy value, though, so it doesn't affect moves like Aerial Ace, Sunny Day, and Protect.
     
  3. Divine Retribution

    Divine Retribution Master of the freak show


    So basically anything that might need to rely on Focus Blast or Stone Edge would start tearing its hair out? Sorry Gengar, Alakazam, Infernape, and Landorus...

    Definitely interesting. I'd say it would be pretty good, especially because it applies to the user as well as the opponent. However, it might be banned by Smogon's evasiveness clause so I really can't say much on its influence on the metagame.
     
  4. Wishing Star

    Wishing Star Astral Charm Owner

    Smogon's evasiveness clause only covers that -- evasiveness. It doesn't prohibit mechanics that lower the chance of moves connecting that can be interacted with, such as Sand-Attack and Flash. Or BrightPowder, but I don't know why.
     
  5. Divine Retribution

    Divine Retribution Master of the freak show

    A decrease in accuracy that is automatically applied to the opponent and cannot be remedied by switching out is, for all practical purposes, functionally the same as an increase in your evasiveness. It would be slightly balanced by the fact that it also applies to you, but you could use those turns to set something up, then start sweeping after it expires.
     
  6. Wishing Star

    Wishing Star Astral Charm Owner

    There's nothing stopping your opponents from setting up when you're setting up. Plus, your opponent could get rid of it by using Bright Room themselves.
     
  7. Divine Retribution

    Divine Retribution Master of the freak show

    Hmm, I dunno. Eventually the metagame would become a war between set-up sweepers, with random things like No Guard Machamp around to counter Bright Room set-up sweepers. I guess its brokenness would largely depend on its distribution, similar to Shell Smash or Quiver Dance.
     
  8. Wishing Star

    Wishing Star Astral Charm Owner

    No Guard's drawback should definitely be considered, too. A No Guard Machamp may be able to ignore accuracy modifiers when hitting a Pokémon, but that Pokémon would also be able to ignore accuracy modifiers when hitting the Machamp, too. Besides, No Guard isn't that common, so it shouldn't spark too much concern.

    Also, it would definitely be given to only a select few Pokémon. Pretty much only four or five fully-evolved Pokémon would get it. Reuniclus would probably be one of them.
     
  9. OceanicLanturn

    OceanicLanturn Non non non!

    I agree with Divine Retribution here. IMO Bright Room should apply to both the user and the for, and could increase the distribution of this move. Bright Room COULD become the second Drizzle/Drought mechanics, which is nothing that great.
     
  10. jireh the provider

    jireh the provider Video Game Designer

    My idea will focus mostly on Normal types, the almost ignored type. Why? Ask my Cinccino.

    New weather move:

    Clear Sky
    -summons a breeze that last for five turns. Gets rid of the four current weather moves
    effects:
    -Increases accuracy of normal type and flying type moves by one level. The power of Return and Frustration (only those two) increases by one level.
    -decreases accuracy of Electric, Fire, Water, Rock, and Ice moves by one level

    Change of settings:

    Cloud Nine - summons permanent breeze like Clear Sky above.

    Smoke Ball - extends the duration of Clear Sky by three more turns. Like Damp rock and rain dance with Phione

    New item:

    Eye Glass Patch - a Cinccino exclusive item (Sorry if I obsessed her too much. Too cute to ignore. But these pokemon seem to belong with rich people). It maximizes the hits done by Multi-hitting moves (like skill link) and perfects its accuracy

    If I were to build my Cinccino with this Item, it would be this set.

    Jolly Nature: 252 Speed and Attack, 4 HP
    Ability: Technician
    -Bullet Seed
    -Tail Slap
    -Rock Blast
    -Aqua Tail / Wake Up slap / U-turn
     
  11. Wishing Star

    Wishing Star Astral Charm Owner

    It already does affect both teams of a battle for the duration that it's active. I'm confused as to how you guys thought it didn't? o:

    The reason why I didn't want to give it to too many Pokémon was twofold -- because I only wanted to give it to Pokémon that represented purity and could deal with dimensional manipulation (Jirachi, Togekiss, Celebi, Reuniclus, maybe Porygon-Z), and because having too many Pokémon that could learn such a move would severely lower the uniqueness of the move, in my opinion.

    Clear Sky - Wouldn't Sunny Day already make the sky clear and let the sun shine through? Anyway, I think increasing the Accuracy of so many types of moves could be more detrimental to the user of Clear Sky rather than beneficial.

    Eyeglass Patch - Sure. I made an item like this awhile back, though it didn't perfect the Accuracy of those moves. Making it Cinccino-only is okay.

    Cloud Nine - It's fine, but I'd rather have a non-Uber weather cancelling ability. Again, it would probably be more detrimental to Pokémon with this ability rather than helpful.

    Smoke Ball - A counterpart to the Damp Rock is fine by me.
     
  12. Divine Retribution

    Divine Retribution Master of the freak show

    Normal types have amazing Pokemon in every tier. In Ubers you have ExtremeKiller, OU has Blissey and Chansey, UU has Snorlax and Ambipom, RU has Cincinno and the omnitalented Smeargle, and in NU Zangoose is an absolute monster. All of these are prominent (and in some cases the most prominent) Pokemon in their tiers.

    I feel like Poison needs some attention. The only Poison types in OU are Tentacruel and Gengar, and, of the two, only Tentacruel really embodies the Poison type. Gengar is far more of a ghost than anything, and rarely uses his Poison STAB. In fact, the only real benefit he gets from it is immunity to Toxic, since he can't even absorb Toxic Spikes because of Levitate.


    Making Poison SE against Fairy might help a little, but I always felt Poison should be SE against Water. After all, if you contaminate water, won't the Pokemon that live in it be affected? Plus, Water is already amazing defensively, with only two weaknesses, one of them already rather uncommon. So, a slight nerf to one of the best defensive types and a big buff to perhaps the worst offensive type.
     
  13. Ghosts of the Forums

    Ghosts of the Forums Who Ya Gonna Call?

    ive always thought this too.
     
  14. Wishing Star

    Wishing Star Astral Charm Owner

    Poison does need a pretty big improvement. Hasn't it already been somewhat implied that Poison is to be super effective against Fairy from Pokémon Smash or something like that?

    Anyway, while I do see the flavor of Poison being good against Water, I admit that I have a bias toward Water being possibly the best defensive type in the game, as far as only type matchups are concerned. However, I am a fan of giving the Poison type less half-effective offensive type matchups (Ghost and Poison can stay, but Ground and Rock, really?) so that it can at least stand more of a chance against many Ground- and Rock-type Pokémon.

    I also wouldn't mind some big-power, no side effect Poison-type moves. Maybe a standard Flamethrower variant with a poison chance is in order.
     
  15. Divine Retribution

    Divine Retribution Master of the freak show

    New move.

    Agile Rush
    Type: Fighting
    Category: Physical
    Power: 90
    Accuracy: 95
    PP: 10/16
    Flavour: The opponent uses its blinding Speed to rush the target. Critical hits land more easily if the holder is not encumbered by an item.
    Effect: Critical hit ratio is increased by 4x when the user is not holding an item. This is about a 25% critical hit chance I believe. So, in some ways it might be seen as better than Acrobatics, while in others it is worse. While a critical Agile Rush does more damage than even an itemless Acrobatics, it's only got a 25% chance to hit critically. Additionally, critical hits ignore boosts, so it might be decent to win Bulk Up wars.

    Distribution: The only one that really needs to have Agile Rush is Hitmonlee. Others can get it too, but I don't really care which others. Maybe Sceptile, his physical sets might appreciate Fighting coverage. Fast stuff like Scyther and whatnot can get it too.
     
  16. Wishing Star

    Wishing Star Astral Charm Owner

    Seems solid. You confused me with the statement that critical hits ignored boosts, but they only ignore boosts in the opponent's defensive stats.
     
  17. cascadethewarrior

    cascadethewarrior ~Ðiva and Lucariϕ~

    Sludgebomb?
     
  18. Wishing Star

    Wishing Star Astral Charm Owner

    Right, but it only has 10 PP, which somewhat limits its uses. Although it does have a 30% chance of poisoning, which does balance that somewhat.

    One thing I didn't know is that Sludge Wave hits your ally as well. You learn something new everyday. o:
     
  19. Divine Retribution

    Divine Retribution Master of the freak show

    Miasma Pulse
    Type: Ghost
    Category: Special
    Power: 95
    Accuracy: 100
    PP: 15/24
    Flavour: The user releases a wave of noxious energy from beyond the grave. May cause Flinching.
    Effect: Deals damage, 10% chance for the stench to cause the opponent to flinch.
    Distribution: All Ghost types by TM, a few other random things that might have the ability to pull power from the spirit world, like the lake trio and some Dark types.

    Blight Dart
    Type: Poison
    Category: Special
    Power: 95
    Accuracy: 100
    PP: 15/24
    Flavour: The user launches a huge, poisonous dart at the opponent. May Poison the target.
    Effect: 10% chance to Poison the opponent.
    Anything that learns Poison Sting (or should learn Poison Sting) can learn it by TM

    Corruption
    Type: Poison
    Category: Other
    Power: ---
    Accuracy: ---
    PP: 5/8
    Flavour: The user releases all the poison in its body, badly Poisoning all Pokemon on the field and changing it to the Normal type.
    Effect: Badly Poisons all Pokemon on the field except the user. After the attack, the user is changed to the Normal type until it switches or the battle ends. If the user has a secondary typing (I.E. Gengar), then they lose their Poison typing and do not gain Normal typing (Gengar would become pure Ghost type). This move fails if it is not used by a Poison type.

    Distribution: Grimer line, Trubbish line, Gengar line, Gloom and Vileplume, Koffing line, Roserade.
     
  20. Wishing Star

    Wishing Star Astral Charm Owner

    Miasma Pulse - Sure.

    Blight Dart - It could be physical, as the dart is fired from the user's body with its physical force. Otherwise, it's alright.

    Corruption -
    1) The effect is rather unique, and it's fine to badly poison more than one Pokémon at a time. However, it shouldn't affect non-adjacent Pokémon for the same reason that Sludge Wave doesn't.
    2) The type-switching to Normal seems a bit odd, as does the automatic failure if the user is not a Poison-type. The two are just for balance issues to prevent the Pokémon using Corruption from dominating the field in case the opponent switches out and you try to use Corruption on every single Pokémon they have. But if so many limitations have to be put on a move just to keep it balanced, it probably does too much.
    3) The problem then becomes the fact that if the type-switching and automatic failure drawbacks were gotten rid of, this move would be strictly better than Toxic. An easy fix would be that the less PP it has, the more chances the move has of not connecting. For example, at 100% PP (5/5 or 8/8 when the player selects the move), it would have 80% accuracy, then it would decrease by 10% for every 12.5% of the maximum PP of the move that's used up, rounded down.
     
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