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DBZ Movie Crap ~ Dark Days Are Upon Us

Skiks

MUCH RESPECT
I doubt that any retail video store in the United States would attempt to sell a live action movie complete with voice overs/sub titles in this day and time. I do have a feeling though that if this made profit in Japan, some random American director would remake everything in English to gear for Cartoon Network.

And yeah, the character alternates look absolutely nothing alike.
Say wut
And lots of others I'm too lazy to find.
Anyways more to the point this film will never meet your expectations. Maybe I should treat this like the Speed Racer movie so I'll enjoy it a little more.
 

Sammi

Banned
Oh COME ON. Even those Wapanese cosplayers can actually resemble the characters.

@Rave's Video: NOOOOOO! THE BIRD! AKJSIAJSIS

Anyway due to most of what DBZ is, I'll just assume that this movie will fail or something. :/
 

Anonymous Trainer

<-----Facewall
Even with the story screw ups, to be honest I'm kind of torn between whether to see it or not. My curiosity says yes, but my wallet says no. >_>
 

Sammi

Banned

Chris

Old Coot
It took you four paragraphs to say "This movie will suck because it's different from the original plot"?
Don't feel like getting into every bit of detail, but there's A LOT wrong with the movie, down to how the characters are and what not.

The fact that Goku's even in school and in regular clothing is a complete contrast to the Son Goku that was created for the story. Goku never saw another human aside from his grandfather until he met Bulma when he was a kid. He mostly grew up alone in the mountains and for the rest of his life was traveling the world on his own. He's basically a hick, mountain boy.

It's not just the plot. It's the fact that the movie is only Dragon Ball in name and the basic concept. Nothing else in the movie resembles a damn thing from the original creation. I'd say this is basically among "Super Mario Bros.: The Movie" level.
 

LittleRedRodeo

Candy Apple Red

It's not just the plot. It's the fact that the movie is only Dragon Ball in name and the basic concept.

For people who were never very serious fans, it's still reason enough to see it. I actually wanna see how they pull this off to attract a larger audience, not gonna lie.
 

BCVM22

Well-Known Member
The fact that Goku's even in school and in regular clothing is a complete contrast to the Son Goku that was created for the story.

Haven't we seen production photos of people in orange gis that resemble the anime garb, suggesting that Goku will don one sooner or later?
 

latios reborn

Well-Known Member
Yeah He will be in his usual orange and blue getup latter on in the movie there has been a pic released.
 

Chris

Old Coot
Never said he wouldn't. But the whole modern day getup on Goku to begin with is also out of character.
 

latios reborn

Well-Known Member
He as an adult wear other stuff for small amounts of time
 

DarkLegend

The Grand Draconian
Funny. THAT is the only change I am actually happy with.
Mountain Boy Hicks are not good role models...
 

Chris

Old Coot
He as an adult wear other stuff for small amounts of time
The movie is Dragon Ball. Not Dragon Ball Z. o_O

Funny. THAT is the only change I am actually happy with.
Mountain Boy Hicks are not good role models...
And a wimpy kid that's normally picked on at school is?

Goku may not have been bright, but he did know what was right and what was wrong.
 

DarkLegend

The Grand Draconian
Lesser Of Two Evils

What would be your opinion/reaction if the following excerpt I wrote for an upcoming fanfic was the premise instead of what he have now.
Is it better or worse?
Note: It is DBZ based so there are slight differences.

It is the year 2005. Planet Earth in this dimension is the same as in our dimension except for a few major changes. In the year 1975, humans were successful in making contact with a sentient green skinned humanoid alien race that called themselves Namekians after their home world of Namek, which was present in the Sirius system about 7 light years away from our solar system. First contact was made through the use of radio signals using the SETI system that made contact with a Namekians research vessel. The signals came from the far side of the moon. After constant incoherent signals for an entire hour, the researchers were shocked to hear a voice speaking in what sounded like English, the first words that were heard were, “I think it will be safe to contact them directly, they are physically weak but have advanced technology, primitive to ours however.” This message became a sensation as analysts realized these beings were one step ahead of them. A message was sent to the ship in English requesting it to land in a secluded location in the Nevada Desert. Scientists reveled in the glory of making contact, skeptics called it the end of the world and religious people considered them heaven sent. Unfortunately, the American government had other plans in mind. The ruling Bush administration feared the aliens under the childish impression that they were invaders and sent a contingent of tanks to obliterate the space vessel and all its occupants should the need arise. The Namekians arrived in an oval vessel with shining silver like exterior, flattened bottom, pointed nose and two large thick downward curved wings that also served as landing support. Four concentric circles were present on the underbelly giving off a blue light and seemed to suggest an anti-gravity device. From the front portion if the ship a platform descended hanging from four cables and on it were three Namekians.

The spectators, news reporters and army personnel were shocked at their appearance, not because they were ugly but because they looked so much like humans themselves. The only differences were green skin, two antennae sprouting an inch from the head, pink patches both above and below the arms and elbows. Finally, their most sinister feature was their fangs and claws. The first human that went up to them and shook hands in what would become one of the greatest moments of the 20th century was none other than United Nations Secretary General, Kofi Annan. It was quite surprising to him that when he offered to shake hands with a male of the Namekians species, he readily accepted and spoke in a warm voice as if the two were old friends. The Namekian or rather Korak as he introduced himself said that he was a scientist and was a member of an ancient race that had evolved far beyond destructive tendencies and emotions that humans so readily glorify and cherish. They were not here as invaders or as beings claiming to be a higher form of life and try to force the humans to accept their ways. They were a peaceful race looking to be friends and hopefully interchange culture and technology. The most humorous part of the enlightening conversation was when a Namekian child standing next to his mother exclaimed, “Not all aliens are ugly or evil mister!” Mr. Annan laughed much to the amusement of his or rather the earth’s guests. Proving the fact the Namekians had been watching them for quite some time and human culture was of the greatest interest. Unfortunately, the meeting would have been perfect were it not for the trigger-happy American soldiers present in the tanks. Out of frustration, one of the tanks opened fire. It headed straight for the ship but instead it exploded in mid air. The shell had it the force field that crackled with electricity for a few moments before becoming transparent once more.

Korak’s expression changed to anger as he politely excused himself and attacked the tanks with green spheres of energy that only destroyed the turrets leaving the rest intact. The frightened soldiers escaped the vehicles in fear. Korak swiftly returned and apologized to Mr. Annan for having to see to that to which his response was, “On the contrary my good sir! We are the ones who should apologize and thank you for doing what the rest of the world was too afraid to do until now. Those vehicles and rest of the military personal here belong to the most for the lack of the better word, power hungry nation” Annan laughed, Korak and his family smiled. Thus, a great intergalactic friendship began.

Over the years the Namekians shared many secrets of the universe with them, they introduced humans to the concept of Ki energy, energy present in all living beings that could be harnessed through mental training. Humans learnt to perform many kinds of energy attacks much like the ones Korak demonstrated on the 25th of September 1975 also known as Day of First Contact. In fact, even flight was attainable using this energy and is considered one of the simpler techniques. This Ki energy as well as the their own physical strength was the sole reason why the Namekians never developed any military technology unlike humans who even after learning the use of Ki energy still depend upon technology for war due to the amount of dedication and training required. The Namekians also gave the humans a way of controlling global warming and thus ensuring the preservation of humanity.

Namekians also introduced humans to the Arcadians; red skinned, tall and white haired neighbors of the Namekians whose culture resembled a highly futuristic human society. Thus, on the eve of the formation of the United Nations in 1945, the Milky Way Union was formed in 2005, an organization that handled all intergalactic relations between the three races. This organization consisted of three representing members of each race along with five advisors from various fields. The headquarters of this organization is present in an earth city, which goes by the name of Sydney, and itself is present in the continent called Australia. By present day, humanity has progressed by leaps and bounds. However, a famous Arcadian political figure was once noted as saying, "As far as the current state of the galaxy is concerned, we (all three races) now exist in a utopia of sorts, free from any major galactic catastrophe. But we must not forget that before a sea is torn apart by a storm, it is eerily calm just like our galaxy is today" As predicted, the universe will be rocked by not one but several catastrophe's and the only thing standing in it's way will be a group of fighters led by a man named Goku.
The Protagonists

NOTE: THIS IS NOT EXHAUSTIVE. MORE WILL COME AS THE STORY CONTINUES!

Goku: Crash-landed in the year 1980 inside of a forested area near Kyoto, Japan as a 1 year old baby who was later found inside his space pod by a scientist. His name was Mr. Daisuke Gohan; he kept the boy's origin a secret and named him Goku. For the first year, the boy appeared mentally disturbed but was also incredibly strong. Then, one day Goku accidentally fell from the roof of his house while being chased by his adoptive father, he hit his head on a rock and suffered a concussion. After he came to, he began to behave in a, by human standards, normal behavior.

He also seemed to have a flair for the martial arts and this lead his father to enter him in the 10th Freestyle Battle Tournament, which was a newly initiated sport in which people of the ages 15-50 could battle using any legal fighting style from boxing to karate. At the young age of 10, Goku showed incredible power and went on to with the Tournament and was dubbed Super boy much to his amusement primarily because Superman happened to be his childhood hero. He managed to live up to the title by saving 7 people from a burning building.

After joining the reputed Kyoto University, he met a female exchange student Chi-Chi from Taipei, Taiwan. Due to her sharp looks she became quite popular and though there were many potential suitors for her, she instantly fell for the clumsy yet innocent Goku and they decided to marry after completing their education. After graduating Goku decided to become a professional and regular competitor in FBT. Though his adoptive father disagreed with this decision at first, he gave in after Goku proved it to be a respectable sporting event unlike Wrestling.

He trained under Master Roshi who was a famous martial artist in his time and had know set up a school in Bali, Indonesia where he passed on the torch to many other fighters. His top two students were Goku and a young man from India named Karan (Ka Run) who later changed his name to Krillin due to a suggestion made by Master Roshi. Apparently, in Balinese it meant Unlimited Potential.

Krilin and Goku, representing the Roshi School of Martial Arts traveled the world fighting in the Freelance Battle Tournaments. In one such tournament being held in the United States he met a young woman about his age named Bulma Briefs who had come to cheer her boyfriend Yamcha. Instantly a friendship was sparked between Bulma, Goku and Krillin. The tournament also turned out to be quite controversial as Yamcha was caught trying to rape Bulma just because she broke up with him. Goku heard her screams and managed to save Bulma in the nick of time. This strengthened the friendship between them. Yamcha was banned from the tournament and since then extensive profile checks have been initiated.

Goku's adoptive father died just as Goku turned 20 and he returned to Japan for his father's funeral that was attended by Bulma, Krillin, Master Roshi and Chi-chi. After a few days, Goku proposed to Chi-Chi who was now a respected lawyer. 5 years on, Goku's greatest adventure would begin.

Krillin: Born Karan Mahajan in 1985 New Delhi, India to a politician's family. Since childhood he always hated politics in general and the unlimited number of news stories about the corruption in Indian politics and bureaucracy didn't help to change his view. He lived a pampered life as all sons of powerful men. He graduated from Delhi University with a degree in political science, a subject he was forced by his father to take.

One day he expressed his hatred of politics to his family completely much to his father's bemusement. When asked what would he rather do, Karan replied that he wanted to compete in the FBT. His family was shocked and his father grew angry saying that he would allow his reputation to be tarnished like this and that no son of his would take part in such things. Karan replied with anger in his voice that from now on he was longer his father's son, thus his father's reputation would not be ruined. With that he instantly ran away from home and even his weeping mother was unable to stop him.

He ran to a friend's house who also aspired to be an FBT competitor and they both set of for the city of Mumbai (Bombay) where world famous martial artist Master Roshi was holding an exhibition match to select a new batch of students. Karan showed exemplary skill and became an instant favorite. He bid farewell to his friend who did not get selected and moved to the Master's school in Bali, Indonesia. There he was surprised to meet an FBT celebrity, none other than Goku who was dubbed Super boy due to his performance in the 10th FBT.

Master Roshi was surprised at Karan's dedication to the martial arts, which was partly due to the fact that he wanted to prove to his parents that he wasn't worthless. Thus, Karan was given the name Krillin by his master; in Balinese it meant unlimited potential. He liked "the nice ring to it" and kept it as his real name. Krillin would then travel the world with Goku participating in various Freelance Battle Tournaments meeting a German girl named Bulma, a powerful Namekian named Piccolo, son of a British businessman named Tien and a former soldier of the Egyptian Military named Yamcha.

Bulma: Born Buruma Briefs in 1980 Munich, Germany to a German scientist and an American Businesswoman. Since childhood she had been blessed with good looks and smarts. Though the looks part became a curse later on when her family moved to the United States and she joined the reputed Massachusetts Institute of Technology or MIT. Her bodily proportions were a bit striking as she had on overly large bust size for her age to the point that some of the nastier students thought that she might have implants. Boys would pass lewd remarks and girls would sneer at her Aphrodite like perfect body. Also, due to the constant mispronunciation of her name she had it Americanized to Bulma.

Her only saving grace was the fact that she joined the University in the same year that world-renowned Robotics pioneer Dr. Gero was a visiting professor and decided to teach an entire batch of students which included Bulma. He and his work fascinated her. Dr. Gero also took an active interest in her and would often call her into his office for friendly discussions and once exclaimed to his class, "Look at the blue haired girl listening intently to every word I say, she is my favorite student and my successor in the Robotics field." Bulma blushed but thankfully the other students instead of giving her jealous looks, clapped in her honor. After she graduated with a degree in Robotics, she intended to handle the family business which was now the largest manufacturer of consumer and military technology in the world, Brief's Incorporated. Dr. Gero once again approached her and expressed the fact that he would like her to be his protégé, she gladly accepted.

While studying, she met a young man from the Egyptian Military named Yamcha who had come to America to prepare for and participate in the next Freelance Battle Tournament to be held in New York City. Yamcha seemed to be a respectable yet slightly sinister individual but Bulma and Yamacha came closer for the sole reason that he paid more attention to her face and less to her chest. Maybe a bit too much as he turned out to be bit off an obsessive lover and mercilessly beat a gang of boys when one of them passed a lewd remark. Just then, Bulma's fears came true and Yamcha turned out to be the kind of boy, good mothers keep their daughters away from. She decided that she would break up with him after the tournament.

When she did so, Yamcha became furious and attacked her and even attempted to rape her but she was saved in the nick of time by a young man named Goku whom she had met only days before. Bulma was surprised to meet both Goku and his young friend Krillin who were so different from other boys she knew. Thus, a friendship was struck between the trio and Bulma regained confidence in herself. Even her parents were quite appreciative of her new friends, finally feeling that their daughter was now safe from any harm.

Piccolo: One of the more sinister and mysterious members of the Z fighters. Piccolo's past is relatively unknown except for the fact that he is in fact the evil half of Namek's representative on Earth, Kami. How exactly is he "half" is not known but it rumored that Kami practices arcane magic which the Namekians abandoned long ago in favor of more scientific knowledge. Thus, Kami had managed to purge his evil half (Dark thoughts, feelings etc.) from his body and the result was a Namekian, who was a polar opposite of Kami himself namely Piccolo. Thus, Kami and Piccolo share a symbiotic relationship to the point that Kami can see, hear and feel the things that Piccolo does and vice versa.

Unlike the few Namekians who visit earth for political, scientific or recreational reasons, Piccolo had no such wishes and remained a loner, exploring and living by himself in the more remote corners of the world. He saw his calling in the Freestyle Battle Tournament, needing release from his frustrations; he decided to take it out on the fighters of the world. His power was overwhelming, even for a Namekian. He met his match in a young man named Goku who though appeared human, was far stronger. In the 17th FBT, Piccolo decided to take a risk and used an attack that involved firing off a wave of Ki energy from his body like a bomb (Suicide Wave) against his rival Goku. Piccolo's clothes were torn, he was exhausted and the arena was destroyed but he was surprised to find Goku relatively unscathed as he had managed to block the attack by forming a shield of Ki around himself. Piccolo almost died and due to the danger posed to the spectators, Piccolo was banned for 3 years. Since then, he has held a strong grudge against him.

Though Piccolo was not born on earth and therefore is not the citizen of any nation, he has shown a particular preference for the Dark Continent. To reflect this, he wears a turban and cape similar to those worn by certain nomadic tribes in northern Africa.

I know it sounds a bit ridiculous but please bear with me...
 
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/Exiled/

EternallyParadoxical
regardless of how horrible it is, I will most likely go check it out anyway...
 

Rave

Banned
Not worth wasting $6 on.
 

HK

Radiance of Shadows
[...] Even more to the point, why are you all taking Dragon Ball so seriously?

My equally Dragon Ball filled childhood will prompt me to see this movie, enjoy it for what it is [...]

This.

I've ever seen complaints that Goku hasn't been cast with an Asian actor -- no ****, he's an alien.

If the adaption, *******ized or not, captures the spirit of DBZ -- the series they're probably going for in terms of feel, in spite of borrowing plot elements from Dragon Ball -- then I'll enjoy it.
 
Oh, yeah, she does, but the others, not at all.
I'd say Chow-Yun Fat resembles Master Roshi quite well too actually. Also that guy who's playing Yamcha could work if his hair is modified properly. Even though most likely Piccolo will look quite different I think the guy playing him will play a pretty good Piccolo too in terms of character.

Truthfully the only one off that I can see is the guy playing Goku. Since he just seems to be just some wimpy kid rather than a martial artist.
This.

I've ever seen complaints that Goku hasn't been cast with an Asian actor -- no ****, he's an alien.

If the adaption, *******ized or not, captures the spirit of DBZ -- the series they're probably going for in terms of feel, in spite of borrowing plot elements from Dragon Ball -- then I'll enjoy it.
THIS. This is what I've been stressing about the whiners about this movie (on other forums at least).

If the movie captures the basic spirit of the series, I'm fine with it. Unless it was intentionally a parody of the cheesy movie drama kinda like what the recent Speed Racer movie is then yeah a pure adaptation with Goku as a little kid WOULD work. But this movie isn't aiming for that. It's aiming to take elements from Dragonball and putting them in a real life type of world (think of it as an alternate universe type of deal like in comics). If it took itself seriously and was a pure adaptation it would probably make a fool of itself. Elements are needed to be changed and altered to fit the movie right into the new movie Dragonball canon.

The ONLY thing I'm worried about is if it's gonna be any good or not. Is the acting going to bed good? Is the character development gonna be at least decent? Fighting isn't cheesy and feels real smooth? That's all I'm worrying about. Dragonball isn't something people take seriously enough to make a pure adaptation since the story isn't, like, that top quality, so it doesn't really matter if it's different from the source material.
 
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Chris

Old Coot
Elements are needed to be changed and altered to fit the movie right into the new movie Dragonball canon.

Dragonball isn't something people take seriously enough to make a pure adaptation since the story isn't, like, that top quality, so it doesn't really matter if it's different from the source material.
The problem is that Dragon Ball, itself, had a pretty damn decent story compared to DBZ. The movie's supposedly adapting the beginning, the Piccolo Daimao arc and the beginning two episodes of DBZ. That's A LOT of material to work with, considering the Daimao arc is big enough as is.

Goku get's second place in a fighting tournament, his best friend gets killed after going to fetch his stuff, Goku gets his *** kicked for trying to avenge his friend, said killer is killing all of those who made it past the preliminaries of the tournament in past years, said killer is actually working for someone higher up who was originally sealed away until a couple of idiots broke the seal, everyone finds out Piccolo is after the Dragon Balls, Goku meets Yajirobe and the two kill two of Piccolo's offspring, Piccolo goes after Roshi's Dragon Balls, Roshi uses the Mafuba on him and dies after failing, Piccolo has his wish granted for his youth to be restored after killing Chaozu for trying to make a different wish, Piccolo then kills Shenlong after getting his wish, Goku takes on the rejuvenated Piccolo and is nearly killed again, Goku goes up Karin Tower with Yajirobe to drink some special water to make him stronger, Tenshinhan masters the Mafuba and attempts to take on Piccolo only to be nearly done in by an offspring, Goku returns and defeats the offspring and takes on Piccolo, Piccolo breaks nearly every bone in Goku's body but is done in after leaving one limb unbroken, Piccolo spits out another egg to be his reincarnated son and dies, Goku and Yajirobe go back to Karin Tower and Goku climbs up to Kami-sama's Palace, Goku learns of Piccolo's past and that Kami-sama created the Dragon Balls, the Dragon Balls are restored and everyone killed by Piccolo and his offspring are returned to life, Goku then must train at Kami-sama's Palace in order to become stronger and to take on Piccolo's last remaining offspring.

That's A LOT to go on as is.

This is basically going to be like Spider-Man 3. Down to the awkward love story, cramming three stories into one film (Sandman, Venom, Green Goblin), and hype because of the big name.

The difference here is that Dragon Ball's generation are still young adults. Those who grew up on comic book super heroes and Speed Racer are all adults by now and have kids who're seeing these franchises probably for the first time. Dragon Ball, however, is still popping out the same story in the video games. Meanwhile, Speed Racer ended long ago and the super heroes have changed quite significantly from the time of most adults in their respective comic books. Considering how fresh the series still is in people's minds, the differences are going to be VERY obvious.
 
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