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[DEBATE] PokéChow: Me or the Comic?

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blueguy

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[DEBATE] PokéChow: Me or the Comic?

I wanted to start an intelligent debate about PokéChow. I started it here because it obviously requires one to be familiar with Fan Comics and what not. Here are the rules.

1) Read my essay fully before replying.
2) No flaming, please.
3) No one-lined support for me.
4) No one-lined criticism of me.
5) No one-lined posts period.

This is rather lengthy, but I ask that you read it in its entirety.

DEBATE :: PokéChow: Me or the Comic?

Do our opinions about someone shape our views of their work? Do we judge not the work of one but their character? Throughout PokéChow’s run I have had many a positive comment (to the point where I am ridiculed solely because I have fans) as well as negative, yet it seems that in the eyes of some, PokéChow will never be good enough. Is it because my comic truly is repetitive drivel supported by a myriad of “idiots” or is it because they simply dislike me?

When I first arrived on the scene of Fan Comics I admit that I was the biggest jerk alive. I denied every criticism and opinion that was thrown my way and paraded about like I was the best thing since sliced bread. I was wrong in doing this, and it seems that these actions have defined the collective opinion of me by my detractors. But I have learned from the events that transpired and have moved on. If an unbiased person, neutral to the various flamewars and disputes that involved me in days of old, were to be asked if I was an *******, would they agree? If only my recent actions were judged, would I be an ******* then? The answer is probably “not”.

But should and does how I used to act influence opinions over my actual comic? It shouldn’t, as one’s personality or demeanor is not always directly related to their creative offerings, but I am fairly certain that it plays a monumental role in the way some view PokéChow. If I were to have merely posted my comic in my early days, responded positively to the blunt criticism I received and graciously accepted would people still detest it today? I think that they would and they wouldn’t. There would be those that would like my comic, and those that would hate it simply because its success overshadowed that of their own comic.

Are the various criticisms I have received relevant or current? Or are reviewers and critics simply making obsolete and outmoded references and points? I am constantly criticized for an overuse of the character the Murderous Pidgeot. I am criticized for my frequent and incessant use of him in jokes. Is this point valid? Is this point remotely accurate at this point? The truth is that the last comic to feature the Murderous Pidgeot was released February 23, 2006. Ask yourself the question again, “Does blueguy use the Murderous Pidgeot too much?”. Ask it. Do you find that you think he IS, or that you think he DID. The difference lies in the tense. While there was a time when even I will admit that Murderous Pidgeot jokes were in excess, the Murderous Pidgeot hasn’t been featured or referenced even vaguely for quite some time. So, perhaps I DID, but for the past while I DON’T. Another criticism refers to the use of “Stardust” as a comedic device. Stardust was last referred to in Episode 57, which is actually quite current, but let’s compare that occurrence with its previous mention. It was last referenced in Episode 13. 57-13=44... so, Stardust had actually not been referenced for a grand total of over forty episodes and quite a few months. Doesn’t it strike one as odd that the two main focal points of any critic’s review are quite honestly irrelevant? The main criticism has always been that I am repetitive and uncreative, which given what I have produced in the past could be seen as true, but it is a key point that it is the past. Even so, I defend the reoccurrence of jokes. For those who actually read the comic regularly, instead of glancing at a few to feel entitled to mock me, a running gag is quite funny. There are times that these can be overdone, but in my own humble opinion I have yet to do this.

People have claimed that I have never, in my entire run as a comic author, ever accepted or used criticism to better my comic when this too is false. Given, I DID earlier refuse advice that was perfectly acceptable, but again think of the tense used. It was earlier often said that the bubble order was confusing. I was later quick to make it clear and it has since not been an issue with readers. It was said that it was difficult to see from whom a speech bubble was coming. I changed this too, making the points clearer and easier to pick up. It was said time and time again that I used the Murderous Pidgeot too much, and, what do you now, I conceded and stopped using him when I was good and ready. It was said that my battle scenes were a little bit “off”. I recently decided to heed this piece of advice as well. So, you see, there have been times when I HAVE listened and have changed my style based on criticism, but this is when I wish to, and don’t I, as the author have a right to listen when I want to, and to decline a piece of advice when I want to too?

People have to keep in mind that at the end of the day, this is MY comic, not theirs, and I have all the right in the world to reference the Murderous Pidgeot a hundred times in a single comic if I want to. I have all the right to make jokes referencing Nadia and stardust and whatever else has been cited as repetitive simply because it is my own comic and my own artistic work.

Looking back I wish desperately I could have done things better and have been a better person, but there’s nothing I can do to change the past. And this is truly unfortunate, because I know that no matter how hard I try there will always be some who detest me and therefore detest my comic all because of bad choices and terrible mistakes I made. It is one of the disheartening things in the world to realize that people hate you just because other people do, people hate you because it’s fun to, and that people hate something you work so hard at without reason.

Getting back to my point, are PokéChow’s critics current or relevant? I don’t actually think so. I have brought up the main points that are generally used in a “review” of my comic and I think that most would agree that while they COULD apply they don’t really do that any longer. They don’t because they apply to what this comic was and not what it is. The same goes for opinions of me. I am judged for who I was and not who I’m trying to be now.

Critics also bring up the fact that I have a considerably large fanbase. They criticize that only “idiots” and “n00bs” read PokéChow. I will agree that there are some who do me no good by their one-lined and unthoughtful posts, but there are quite a few people who are intelligent and well-rounded in their comments who don’t deserve to be bashed or insulted. But what does it really matter if “n00bs” read my comic? Does it reflect poorly on my actual work? Does it mean that my comic must really suck if it is read by “n00bs”. Critics apparently think so. I think the underlying truth in most criticisms of my fanbase is that the person is usually jealous, and I really can’t help it. I do not choose who reads my comic. I can’t force people to. I can’t control if my comic is more or less popular than someone else’s. Many of my critics are comic authors themselves. They probably feel that their comic is much better than mine, that their comic is so damn great and is being overshadowed by the great stupidity of the fanbase and author of PokéChow. They probably feel jealous and angry, but I can’t help that either. But... wait a minute. Aren’t I constantly called quite self-involved, overconfident and full of myself? Wouldn’t a jealousy of someone else’s “inferior” work gaining attention and a “justified” hatred of someone based on their “undeserving” success count as “full of oneself”. If that is true then my critics are all what they claim I am. They are what they hate. They are the kinds of people they despise. If they despise me because they think they are better than me, then they are no better.

Is PokéChow bad? That’s subjective. Is it good? That’s all in the eye of the beholder as well. You can decide for yourself. It’s your right to hate it. It’s your right to love it. It’s your right to ignore it completely. But I ask you, is it just to judge it because of what I have done? Is it fair or honest? The truth is that your opinion about me probably influences me more than you think. As much as some would like to pretend that they are unbiased, they’re not. If one would like to see PokéChow be scrutinized fairly I’m all ears. I’m waiting and watching, but no one ever has anything to say, because the truth is that they don’t read my comic and won’t; they will continue to criticize me based on what they have heard and what people say about me.

I urge anyone to read my comic and read it fully and completely, first to last, top to bottom, front to back, and THEN to review. And THEN to give me your two cents. If you don’t “have the time” or “don’t want to” it’s perfectly fine, but then I expect you not to go about criticizing it because you have no basis to do so.

And that’s my rant. It’s been a long time brewing in my head and I hope I have provoked some thought of the matter.
 
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zuloon

Bboy Zuloon
Shouldn't this be in the debate forum?
 

blueguy

used Metronome!
zuloon said:
Shouldn't this be in the debate forum?

Read what I posted. This requires substantial knowledge of comics and events that have transpired here. Therefore it should be posted here, because it is specific and solely relevant to this forum.
 

zuloon

Bboy Zuloon
blueguy said:
Read what I posted. This requires substantial knowledge of comics and events that have transpired here. Therefore it should be posted here, because it is specific and solely relevant to this forum.
So? It's a debate. It belongs in the debate forum.

Just like how comics belong in the comic forum. If there's a comic illustrating a debate, nobody makes a whole topic about in the debate forum, now do they?
 

zuloon

Bboy Zuloon
Matt` said:
Where's the comic?
8D


Oops, I violated Rule Number Five. >_>

There is no comic. Exactly why I said it belongs in debates.

But now that I provided my reason for believing it should be in debates, blueguy won't comment. >:/
 

zuloon

Bboy Zuloon
I, for one, believe it is deserving of a one-star.

I mean, it's in the totally wrong forum to begin with, and you still haven't replied to my post.
 

blueguy

used Metronome!
zuloon said:
I, for one, believe it is deserving of a one-star.

I mean, it's in the totally wrong forum to begin with, and you still haven't replied to my post.

I still believe it belongs here because only people that know what PokéChow is and who I am should be debating about it. You should rate this not by where it's posted but by what WAS posted, and if you want to post, fine, but you've already made it clear you think it should go into Debate. If you want to say something else perhaps you should respond to the actual essay I wrote.
 
I have to agree with you blueguy. The MP has not been used for a while so complaints about that being overused. People really need to stop and look carefully so they can actually back up what they say. The Critics need to understand that you have turned over a new leaf. Even they were newbies once so they must understand that you have turned a new leaf from the past. PokeChow is an excellent comic but perhaps you can add some new jokes as well?

There could an opposite of the MP which might make things more interesting.
 

zuloon

Bboy Zuloon
NEO GOHAN said:
I BELIVE HE WANTS IT WHERE HIS COMIC'S READER'S WILL SEE IT.
[5 star'd for bluguy's logic]
Okay, last time and I'll stop.

He could've put the link to the topic in the debate forum in his initial Pokechow post then, no?
 
While this may be a debate but it talks about a COMIC so it does belong here. Matt this is NOT the PokeChow comic thread. This is a discussion about what PokeChow critics have been saying in their reviews. Also Matt you need to stop posting things that are not pointless and do not help blueguy at all.
 

Matt`

r u srs?
Well then, I'll help you by saying that it is not just you that "the Critics" "hate" but it is also the comic. There are many elements in the comic that are used over again.
And yes people are biased against your comic (and you). You can't help it. It's just how people are. But there is some truth in what "the Critics" say. No comic is perfect.

But, I'll post in pokechow later.
 
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Bu†cH

Braaiiiiiinss......
For what I am seeing, people do get a bit carried away by the repeated use of some jokes and offensiveness, but is that Pokechow's supposed to be? A muderous Pidgeot, a dead nude female body, and....Pokeballs for bigger-looking breasts? I say those recycled help make Pokechow what it really is. I don't care if you use them, as long as they're still fresh like the last times you use them. Ultra Balls! Ha! That's something you don't see every day.

To me, I think the Pidgeot is the comic's mascot and the main reason of the fanbase's origin.

Some people are not gonna like the comic. I have one that many people don't like and rate low on it because of its backgrounds. But do I think people hate me because of that, even though the backgrounds are a less serious issue than your cons? No. I go on, trying to find a way to make them better in the process, and because I'm the best of my Wolfhunters team (Wolfhunters used to be an RPG and the group members are the people who cooperated in the RPG) who can make a good sprite comic. I may never have a fanbase like yours with my current comic, but I am gonna make my own comic to find one and when I get back on my fanfic, Other Worlds, I may have a chance of gaining one.

If you think people hate you or are jealous of you, well, the comic is a VERY terrible excuse.
 

Matt Silver

Rest My Chemistry
Yeah this probably does belong here.
Well I gotta say that was a long and interesting read with some truth to it that people have to get through thier heads- blueguy has strayed from running gags (Stardust, MP whatever), he was a jerk when he started and his changed from then, and people who has personal anger towards blueguy dosen't mean they should attack the comical splendour that is PokéChow.
Basically, as said earlier, people should read PokéChow thoroughly before posting thier honest opinions about that comic, not the author.
 

Sora

AKA Snagger Outlaw
I'm thinking you're giving the critics too much power.

How so? Well posting this topic is a start. Seriously, the whole critism is in the past, you're making it worse by posting this thread and giving long essay responses, it's just throwing gasoline into the fire.

The more you make yourself out to look like a victim by posting how "unfair" people are to you then I'm sorry to say but the flame wars this thread will attract like lint on an ugly wool sweater you had coming.
 
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LGameboyR

Pokemon Battler
Well I don't Blueguy personaly or at all for that matter, but if people hated you and you make Pokechow they might try to find something wrong with the comic to hate you more, but if they hate the comic they might view a page or two & go on about what you should or should not do, & if it's true that
"N00bs" only view the comic who cares! just because N00bs are your fan does that make Pokechow "uncool" or "stupid" the point is you HAVE fans! But really don't know what crits think, I think they lost sight of whats a good comic & whats not, so they create standards for whats a good comic & whats not. Well I think that no matter what Pokechow is still being seen at the top of all the comic threads, wheather it's liked or not it's popular, as my comic is still stuck on page two! :( , & if their jealas(sorry can't spell) they can't change that Pokechow is still number one in peoples minds, but I only read three pages! Sorry but the more popular they are it's more pages & my attention span is low, but even I can say, it's a damn good comic!
 

blueguy

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Sora said:
I'm thinking you're giving the critics too much power.

How so? Well posting this topic is a start. Seriously, the whole critism is in the past, you're making it worse by posting this thread and giving long essay responses, it's just throwing gasoline into the fire.

The more you make yourself out to look like a victim by posting how "unfair" people are to you then I'm sorry to say but the flame wars this thread will attract like lint on an ugly wool sweater you had coming.

I guess I do make it all very melodramatic, don't I? You have a point, but I think the jist of what I've said is true, mainly that when I am criticized it is of things that are quite outdated.
 

ForeverFlame

Well-Known Member
I enjoyed the latest Stardust joke. It was a really nice return of a classic joke, and whoever disliked it just have person issues, anyway.

Blueguy, people tend to hold terrible grudges. If you apologize for the actions you once made, they won't care. They make excuses, such as: 'You use the MP too much', 'You need new ideas' or 'You're offensive', when really they have a long-lasting grudge, and you probably know that. Then there's those comic-maker's friends and fans that'll stick as close to their back as possible. Just ignore them, I say. But I think that this thread really is needed, to show people how they really make you feel, Blueguy. I would of quit already, but you stay true to yourself, and PokéChow. ~FF
 

Infinity

Gone...
You know what Blueguy, work on your comic. This thread is a far cry for attention for your comic. You're pouring your heart into your comic, perhaps a bit too much.

People come here to read comics, not have too much drama. The Internet is serious business, but not here... That's why I'm going to ask for this thread to be closed.

In short just make comics. That's all that you need to do.
 

Kitsune

This Place is Death.
I find it odd that I was basically against you and the comic, until I read your first post, blueguy. It put it into perspective, and to be honest, I realized that from the beginning. I was just a little bit jealous

Infinity said:
You know what Blueguy, work on your comic. This thread is a far cry for attention for your comic. You're pouring your heart into your comic, perhaps a bit too much.

People come here to read comics, not have too much drama. The Internet is serious business, but not here... That's why I'm going to ask for this thread to be closed.

In short just make comics. That's all that you need to do.

I fully agree. This is not a place for debates, and this is just going to cause fighting when some idiot comes in and begins to yell "Downzers w/ teh PokeChow!11!!!!" This should be closed, and you should just stick with the comic, ignoring all comments that aren't crit.
 
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