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December 29th: PM2019 007: The Houen Region, Site of Fierce Fights! The Battle Frontier Challenge!!

Discussion in 'Animé Spoilers' started by Dephender, Nov 30, 2019.

  1. Red and Blue

    Red and Blue Well-Known Member

    Imagine if Paul beat Brandon and became a Frontier Brain in Hoenn. That'd be something
     
  2. Ignition

    Ignition Obliterated a god with the power of friendship

    I’d love if Paul came back. It’s been too long.
     
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  3. TheWanderingMist

    TheWanderingMist Kanae, Keeper of the Gates Emblazoned

    Yeah, it would. It'd be a disgrace to the anime.
     
  4. Leonhart

    Leonhart Well-Known Member

    If Shinji were returning here, we'd probably know by now since that would be a huge deal. He only needed to defeat Jindai if I remember right, which he could've already done off-screen anyway.
     
  5. dman_dustin

    dman_dustin Well-Known Member

    Would they?

    They didn't tell us Nagandel was coming back (until it was spoiled) and they left Torracat evolving until the actual episode aired.

    So I don't honestly believe they'd actually tell us, since I have no idea of what would be regarded as important or not enough to tell us.

    I think its more likely that Paul isn't coming back this episode in a full fledged appearance because we are in the Hoenn region if anything. Pretty sure Paul would only show up in a 4th generation Battle Frontier related episode. Thus I can't see why we would see Paul here. Referenced, sure, showing up? Not too sure on that.
     
  6. 1rkhachatryan

    1rkhachatryan Call me Robert guys

    If there was a point where Ash bought a reserve back, this would be it lol.
     
  7. Agility

    Agility Bah.

    Uhhh, what. Paul was a fantastic rival, and a breath of fresh air in a world full of asinine, sugar sweet friendlies. I would enjoy him coming back greatly. Would redeem what a disappointment this series has been so far.
     
  8. TheWanderingMist

    TheWanderingMist Kanae, Keeper of the Gates Emblazoned

    I've replied on your profile about how you're wrong about this.
     
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  9. Red and Blue

    Red and Blue Well-Known Member

    Seeing Paul again(whether here or a Sinnoh episode)would be a good chance to see how much he has changed his ways
     
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  10. Almighty Zard

    Almighty Zard He has returned.

    the way this episode is structured so far, seems like a means to introduce Go to trainer battles and how he'll take to them.
     
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  11. Agility

    Agility Bah.

    Paul was interesting because he broke the mold. He was a character that was hardline and sometimes pushed things too far. His actions might be morally ambiguous but that is damn well what made him so refreshing. You were happy when Chimchar succeeded. You were happy when Ash finally, finally defeated him. You can dislike his actions all you want, but I can't say it didn't make for a damn good story and a satisfying conclusion.

    Much more than Trip or Trevor or whoever. They are all cut from the same cloth. Paul was not. And I would love to see more of it.
     
  12. Master Pikachu 11

    Master Pikachu 11 Well-Known Member

    There has to be more to this episode if they went through the trouble to hide the title because if there isn’t then I don’t know what the point of hiding it for the sake of seeing another frontier battle. Also if Ash is just using Pikachu then this episode won’t be nearly as exciting to watch.
     
  13. TheWanderingMist

    TheWanderingMist Kanae, Keeper of the Gates Emblazoned

    No, he wasn't. That's called abuse and he never apologized. I was not, and no, it didn't.
     
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  14. Gaorasoage

    Gaorasoage Active Member

    Paul was the only good rival but it would feel rushed
    So you are that kind of fan/person yikes...
     
  15. TheWanderingMist

    TheWanderingMist Kanae, Keeper of the Gates Emblazoned

    This is basically the only thing I will actually fight about, but I am quite passionate in my hatred.

    List of Ash's long-term rivals:

    Gary, Nando, Paul, Stephan, Tierno, Alain, Kiawe, Gladion.

    EDIT: Trip, Sawyer

    People call Paul "a breath of fresh air after all those friendly rivals" when the truth is the vast majority of friendly rivals came AFTER Paul.
     
    Last edited: Dec 3, 2019 at 3:30 PM
  16. CMButch

    CMButch Kanto is love. Kanto is life.

    Paul is one of the best rivals I have ever seen. I would rather see antagonistic rival that has some dark elements in it rather than happy-to go rivals that were presented in anime. Gary and Gladion are 2nd/3rd. Paul needs to make a appearance same with companions and Gary.Seeing how this goes and they missed on Ash's Bulbasaur. I don't think it will happen, sadly.
     
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  17. mehmeh1

    mehmeh1 #TEAMSOBBLE

    Itp: wtf are Trip and Sawyer
     
  18. TheWanderingMist

    TheWanderingMist Kanae, Keeper of the Gates Emblazoned

    I knew I was forgetting some of them but break time at work was over.
     
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  19. Agility

    Agility Bah.

    You can hate him all you like. The borderline "abuse" is what made him different. You're not supposed to "like" Paul. He was an antagonist. Gary was a douche but parts of him were likeable. Silver wasn't in the anime. The only rival you listed that wasn't "friendly" is Gary, and he was irrelevant for a vast majority of the series.

    Ash had a building progression with Paul. At the beginning he seemed insurmountable, but Ash finally beat him at the League and did it showing him Chimchar was worthy. It is excellent story writing, and Paul was a good character. He is supposed to inspire conflict about his methods.

    Pokemon rarely shows gritty stuff. Abuse would happen in real world scenarios.
     
  20. Blue Saturday

    Blue Saturday too fly

    Although I can acknowledge Shinji did his job as a rival in being the “anti-Satoshi” and brought strong stakes and drama to the show. I have to say on a character level it never did sit well with me that his abuse and nefarious behaviors were swept under the rug and his character kind of got retooled from being villainous to more anti-social later in the saga. The missteps in that regard were they backtracked on his toxic actions and tried to paint them as more morally gray later on with the stuff about Satoshi and him being two sides of the same coin which wasn’t consistent with his earlier portrayal. Actions like having his Elekid “wake up” Hikozaru with Thunder after it fainted from exhaustion during a training session were clearly not just “different training styles.”

    Ultimately he was an immaculate rival and brought good battles and substance to the show but on a character level they seemed a bit inconsistent about him. They never really showed the growth of him becoming less cruel as a trainer unlike with someone like Vegeta from DBZ for example, which made his later characterization post the first full battle feel like more of a retcon nor did he face any retribution or show any regret or sorrow for his actions toward Hikozaru. But then again the anime seemed to mostly be still in its first early stages in regards to not having experience portraying characters in more of a gray light like with Alan or Guzma these days.
     
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