Delta Episode Discussion

[Illusio]

While it is another interpretation of the story, it should be noted that Pokemon Special

Spoiler: minor spoilers

has her as the previous lore keeper she inherited from.

As for the whole Whismer being called her daughter thing, it's actually very common for pet owners to refer to their pets as children, so that shouldn't be assumed to be the connection between those two.

 

[Bguy7]

As for the whole Whismer being called her daughter thing, it's actually very common for pet owners to refer to their pets as children, so that shouldn't be assumed to be the connection between those two.

Did you read what I said? I expected that someone would say that, so I said this:

Some people pass this off as her just being affectionate to a pet, but I don't think that's the case at all. Zinnia seems to be somewhat mentally unstable, and is using the Pokemon Aster as a proxy for the original Aster, meaning whoever the original Aster was, Zinnia seems to think Aster the Pokemon is the same person. Meaning, if the original Aster was Zinnia's sister or anything else, she would never call them her daughter.

On top of that, Zinnia treats Aster as much more than just a pet.

 

[Alexander18]

The only real thing I like about the Delta Episode is catching Deoxys at the end. I wish Rayquaza wasn't that easy to catch because I like a challenge. Most of the time in Delta Episode, you just fly around to places you already visit and have a few battles. Plus I am not much of a fan for Zinnia although I did enjoy using Mega Rayquaza to defeat her team with one hit at sky pillar.

 

[Illusio]

Did you read what I said? I expected that someone would say that, so I said this:

On top of that, Zinnia treats Aster as much more than just a pet.

People get close to their pets all of the time, you'd be surprised at the bond some have with them. Ultimately, if you think if them as children, then you are going to be close to them, so that's not something unique to this situation.

Anyway, nothing except for Zinnia overdoing on her Pokemon that she leaves all alone anyway doesn't signify that Aster was her daughter, that's just an assumption based on a relationship that could easily just be between her and the Whismer.

 

[Lorde]

I noticed something interesting about Zinnia. When you battle her, if you don't press the A Button to advance past Zinnia's animation to get the battle right away, if you look closely at Zinnia, she seems to have fangs when her mouth is slightly open. Did anyone else notice this, or is it just me?

I didn't notice, though given her wild-looking design and since she's a Dragon-type specialist, her having noticeable fangs makes sense I suppose.

 

[Bguy7]

People get close to their pets all of the time, you'd be surprised at the bond some have with them. Ultimately, if you think if them as children, then you are going to be close to them, so that's not something unique to this situation.

Anyway, nothing except for Zinnia overdoing on her Pokemon that she leaves all alone anyway doesn't signify that Aster was her daughter, that's just an assumption based on a relationship that could easily just be between her and the Whismer.

I guess this is just me, but I came out of the Delta Episode thinking that the intention of writers was that Aster was Zinnia's daughter. I never even thought there would be debate about it.

Here's the thing though, can't we agree that Aster the Pokemon was meant to be a replacement for the real Aster? If that's the case, wouldn't it stand to reason that Zinnia thinks of the Pokemon the same way she thought of the human?

 

[Mega Altaria]

Here's the thing though, can't we agree that Aster the Pokemon was meant to be a replacement for the real Aster? If that's the case, wouldn't it stand to reason that Zinnia thinks of the Pokemon the same way she thought of the human?

Still, we don't officially know yet because it's another well kept secret by GF. But we somehow suspect that Aster the Whismur is somehow a replacement of the real Aster because from what I've heard that a lot of people say, Zinnia treats Aster like a human.

 

[Akashin]

Here's the thing though, can't we agree that Aster the Pokemon was meant to be a replacement for the real Aster? If that's the case, wouldn't it stand to reason that Zinnia thinks of the Pokemon the same way she thought of the human?

Not necessarily. I don't think it's exactly unrealistic to name a pet (or Pokemon in this case) after a loved one yet have a wholly different relationship with it. I suppose it depends whether Whismur is an actual stand-in for Aster or if Whismur was just named after her, which we have no way of knowing.

All the game tells us for certain was that there was an Aster that Zinnia loved that she named her Whismur after. Anything beyond that is our interpretation.

 

[Alexander18]

In my opinion, Whismur is just a Whismur named after someone who had passed away. This isn't mystery dungeon where a human had become a pokemon and I prefer that kind of thing to stay in the mystery dungeon games to be honest.

 

[Lorde]

Here's the thing though, can't we agree that Aster the Pokemon was meant to be a replacement for the real Aster?

Which is what I've always assumed. I mean I could be wrong of course, but I don't think we'll even see Zinnia again, so Aster's identity seems trivial to me anyway. :x

 

[Bguy7]

Not necessarily. I don't think it's exactly unrealistic to name a pet (or Pokemon in this case) after a loved one yet have a wholly different relationship with it. I suppose it depends whether Whismur is an actual stand-in for Aster or if Whismur was just named after her, which we have no way of knowing.

All the game tells us for certain was that there was an Aster that Zinnia loved that she named her Whismur after. Anything beyond that is our interpretation.

Fair enough. However, I still strongly believe that Aster as Zinnia's daughter is the most likely explanation. Especially because there is little evidence of anything else.

In my opinion, Whismur is just a Whismur named after someone who had passed away. This isn't mystery dungeon where a human had become a pokemon and I prefer that kind of thing to stay in the mystery dungeon games to be honest.

I don't think that anyone was suggesting that the Whismur used to be a human, just that it was a replacement for a human.

 

[Bunzilla-King]

I actually just finished ORAS this summer and the delta episode felt.. lackluster in comparison to X/Y additional episode

Dont get me wrong, visually it was beautiful. But i didn't feel nearly as strong about it. The story was ok but i feel could have been better. I suppose I wanted to be more emotionally invested

 

[Alexander18]

I actually just finished ORAS this summer and the delta episode felt.. lackluster in comparison to X/Y additional episode

Dont get me wrong, visually it was beautiful. But i didn't feel nearly as strong about it. The story was ok but i feel could have been better. I suppose I wanted to be more emotionally invested

I thought Delta Episode was a joke to be honest. All we do is fly around to places we already been to and battle those we already beaten a part from Zinnia. Deoxys was the only good part of the Delta Episode. I didn't like how easy it was to get Rayquaza even if it was necessary.

 

[EspNeon]

I didn't understand the need to re-battle Zinnia. With the recently captured Rayquaza and its ability to mega-evolve it felt like an unnecessary one-sided battle. Even more so given that it was Super effective against all of Zinnia's Dragon types. The battle can't even be concluded as an indicator of the level of power increase induced by mega-evolving.

The ending of the Delta episode was good and set up the possibility of an expansion in a future game with Zinnia developing on a journey, Wallace becoming the champion etc.

 

[brilly]

I thought Delta Episode was a joke to be honest. All we do is fly around to places we already been to and battle those we already beaten a part from Zinnia. Deoxys was the only good part of the Delta Episode. I didn't like how easy it was to get Rayquaza even if it was necessary.

For Pokemon's standart, Delta Episode is really inovative. It's not the best thing i've ever played. It could have more sub plots and other quest to do besides flying here and there. But it was nice, and and a pattern that can be used and improved in the next games and remakes.

Also, Delta Episode is too short, and with a lot of things not explained. Being a RPG, i'm ok with it, since a lot of plots are left open purposely for fans interpret in their own way. That's why there's a lot of fanfictions there.