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Dex Speculation/Discussion Thread [READ THE FIRST POST FOR UPDATES]

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bobandbill

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Discuss and speculate about the POSSIBLE NEW POKEMON, and EXISTING POKEMON THAT WILL BE PRESENT in Pokemon X & Y.


All posts, speculation or not, should be constructive and contain ideas, support/elaborate their ideas, and must contribute to the discussions and/or on-going arguments. Also, one-liner posts such as "I agree.", "I want [this] to be in the game!", "This sucks!" will all be considered SPAM, deleted and you will be possibly infracted.

Let's promote a worthwhile discussion!

The following are a list of known Pokemon that appeared in every gameplay trailer, promotional artwork, screenshot, etc.
However, take note that all Pokemon listed below COULD NOT be part of the Regional Dex.

According to Masuda, all(?) Pokemon will be obtainable but collecting them will be almost impossible.

LIST OF GEN 6 POKEMON (Current Total: 69)
#650 Chespin (Grass)
#651 Quilladin (Grass)
#652 Chesnaught (Grass/Fighting)

#653 Fennekin (Fire)
#654 Braixen (Fire)
#655 Delphox (Fire/Psychic)

#656 Froakie (Water)
#657 Frogadier (Water)
#658 Greninja (Water/Dark)

#659 Bunnelby (Normal)
#660 Diggersby (Normal/Ground)

#661 Fletchling (Normal/Flying)
#662 Fletchinder (Fire/Flying)
#663 Talonflame (Fire/Flying)

#664 Scatterbug (Bug)
#665 Spewpa (Bug)
#666 Vivillon (Bug/Flying)

#667 Litleo (Fire/Normal)
#668 Pyroar (Fire/Normal)

#669 Flabébé (Fairy)
#670 Floette (Fairy)
#671 Florges (Fairy)

#672 Skiddo (Grass)
#673 Gogoat (Grass)

#674 Pancham (Fighting)
#675 Pangoro (Fighting/Dark)

#676 Furfrou (Normal)

#677 Espurr (Psychic)
#678 Meowstic (Psychic)

#679 Honedge (Steel/Ghost)
#680 Doublade (Steel/Ghost)
#681 Aegislash (Steel/Ghost)

#682 Spritzee (Fairy)
#683 Aromatisse (Fairy)

#684 Swirlix (Fairy)
#685 Slurpuff (Fairy)

#686 Inkay (Dark/Psychic)
#687 Malamar (Dark/Psychic)

#688 Binacle (Rock/Water)
#689 Barbaracle (Rock/Water)

#690 Skrelp (Poison/Water)
#691 Dragalge (Poison/Water)

#692 Clauncher (Water)
#693 Clawitzer (Water)

#694 Helioptile (Electric/Normal)
#695 Heliolisk (Electric/Normal)

#696 Tyrunt (Rock/Dragon)
#697 Tyrantrum (Rock/Dragon)

#698 Amaura (Rock/Ice)
#699 Aurorus (Rock/Ice)

#700 Sylveon (Fairy)

#701 Hawlucha (Fighting/Flying)

#702 Dedenne (Electric/Fairy)

#703 Carbink (Rock/Fairy)

#704 Goomy (Dragon)
#705 Sliggoo (Dragon)
#706 Goodra (Dragon)

#707 Klefki (Steel/Fairy)

#708 Phantump (Ghost/Grass)
#709 Trevenant (Ghost/Grass)

#710 Pumpkaboo (Ghost/Grass)
#711 Gourgeist (Ghost/Grass)

#712 Bergmite (Ice)
#713 Avalugg (Ice)

#714 Noibat (Flying/Dragon)
#715 Noivern (Flying/Dragon)

#716 Xerneas (Fairy)

#717 Yveltal (Dark/Flying)

#718 Zygarde (Dragon/Ground)

THE KALOS DEX
Lucario At Service has been keeping track of the 3 Kalos Dexes
Based on this post,

Here is an Up-to-Date of the 3 Sections of the Kalos PokéDex:

001: Chespin (Grass)
002: Quilladin (Grass)
003: Chesnaught (Grass/Fighting)
004: Fennekin (Fire)
005: Braixen (Fire)
006: Delphox (Fire/Psychic)
007: Froakie (Water)
008: Frogadier (Water)
009: Greninja (Water/Dark)
010: Bunnelby (Normal)
011: Diggersby (Normal/Ground)
012: Zigazagoon
013: Linoone
014: Fletchling (Normal/Flying)
015: Fletchinder (Fire/Flying)
016: Talonflame (Fire/Flying)
017: Pidgey
018: Pidgeotto
019: Pidgeot
020: Scatterbug (Bug)
021: Spewpa (Bug)
022: Vivillon (Bug/Flying)
023: Caterpie
024: Metapod
025: Butterfree
026: Weedle
027: Kakuna
028: Beedrill
029: Pansage
030: Simisage
031: Pansear
032: Simisear
033: Panpour
034: Simipour
035: Pichu
036: Pikachu
037: Raichu
038: Bidoof
039: Bibarel
040: Dunsparce
041: Azurill (Normal/Fairy)
042: Marill (Water/Fairy)
043: Azumarill (???)
044: Burmy
045: Wormadam
046: Mothim
047: Surskit
048: Masquerain
049: Magikarp
050: Gyarados
051: Corphish
052: Crawdaunt
053: Goldeen
054: Seaking
055: Carvanha
056: Sharpedo
057: Litleo (Fire/Normal)
058: Pyroar (Fire/Normal)
059: Psyduck
060: Golduck
061: Farfetch'd
062: Riolu
063: Lucario
064: Ralts (Psychic/Fairy)
065: Kirlia
066: Gardevoir (Psychic/Fairy)
067: Gallade
068: Flabébé (Fairy)
069: Floette (Fairy)
070: Florges (Fairy)
071: Budew
072: Roselia
072: Roserade
074: Ledyba
075: Ledian
076: Combee
077: Vespiquen
078: Skitty
079: Delcatty
080: Bulbasaur
081: Ivysaur
082: Venusaur
083: Charmander
084: Charmeleon
085: Charizard
086: Squirtle
087: Wartortle
088: Blastoise
089: Skiddo (Grass)
090: Gogoat (Grass)
091: Pancham (Fighting)
092: Pangoro (Fighting/Dark)
093: Furfrou (Normal)
094: Doduo
095: Dodrio
096: Plusle
097: Minun
098: Gulpin
099: Swalot
100: Scraggy
101: Scrafty
102: Abra
103: Kadabra
104: Alakazam
105: Oddish
106: Gloom
107: Vileplume
108: Bellossom
109: Sentret
110: Furret
111: Nincada
112: Ninjask
113: Shedinja
114: Espurr (Psychic)
115: Meowstic (Psychic)
116: Kecleon
117: Honedge (Steel/Ghost)
118: Doublade (Steel/Ghost)
119: Aegislash (Steel/Ghost)
120: Venipede
121: Whirlipede
122: Scolipede
123: Audino
124: Smeargle
125: Croagunk
126: Toxicroak
127: Ducklett
128: Swanna
129: Spritzee (Fairy)
130: Aromatisse (Fairy)
131: Swirlix (Fairy)
132: Slurpuff (Fairy)
133: Volbeat
134: Illumise
135: Hoppip
136: SKiploom
137: Jumpluff
138: Munchlax
139: Snorlax
140: Whismur
141: Loudred
142: Exploud
143: Meditite
144: Medicham
145: Zubat
146: Golbat
147: Crobat
148: Axew
149: Fraxure
150: Haxorus
001: Drifloon
002: Drifblim
003: Mienfoo
004: Mienshao
005: Zangoose
006: Seviper
007: Spoink
008: Grumpig
009: Absol
010: Inkay (Dark/Psychic)
011: Malamar (Dark/Psychic)
012: Lunatone
013: Solrock
014: Bagon
015: Shelgon
016: Salamence
017: Wingull
018: Pelipper
019:
020:
021: Binacle (Rock/Water)
022: Barbaracle (Rock/Water)
023: Dwebble
024: Crustle
025: Tentacool
026: Tentacruel
027: Wailmer
028: Wailord
029: Luvdisc
030: Skrelp (Poison/Water)
031: Dragalge (Poison/Dragon)
032: Clauncher (Water)
033: Clawitzer (Water)
034: Staryu
035: Starmie
036: Shellder
037: Cloyster
038: Qwilfish
039: Horsea
040: Seadra
041: Kingdra
042: Relicanth
043: Sandile
044: Krokorok
045: Krookodile
046: Helioptile (Electric/Normal)
047: Heliolisk (Electric/Normal)
048: Hippopotas
049: Hippowdon
050: Rhyhorn
051: Rhydon
052: Rhyperior
053: Onix
054: Steelix
055: Woobat
056: Swoobat
057: Machop
058: Machoke
059: Machamp
060: Cubone
061: Marowak
062: Kangaskhan
063: Mawile (Steel/Fairy)
064: Tyrunt (Rock/Dragon)
065: Tyrantrum (Rock/Dragon)
066: Amaura (Rock/Ice)
067: Aurorus (Rock/Ice)
068: Aerodactyl
069: Ferroseed
070: Ferrothorn
071: Snubbull (Fairy)
072: Granbull (Fairy)
073: Electrike
074: Manectric
075: Houndour
076: Houndoom
077: Eevee
078: Vaporeon
079: Jolteon
080: Flareon
081: Espeon
082: Umbreon
083: Leafeon
084: Glaceon
085: Sylveon (Fairy)
086: Emolga
087: Yanma
088: Yanmega
089: Hawlucha (Fighting/Flying)
090: Sigilyph
091: Golett
092: Golurk
093: Nosepass
094: Probopass
095: Makuhita
096: Hariyama
097: Throh
098: Sawk
099: Starly
100: Staravia
101: Staraptor
102: Stunky
103: Skuntank
104: Nidoran F
105: Nidorina
106: Nidoqueen
107: Nidoran M
108: Nidorino
109: Nidoking
110: Dedenne (Electric/Fairy)
111: Chingling
112: Chimecho
113: Mime Jr. (???)
114: Mr. Mime (Psychic/Fairy)
115: Solosis
116: Duosion
117: Reuniclus
118: Wynaut
119: Wobbuffet
120: Roggenrola
121: Boldore
122: Gigalith
123: Sableye
124: Carbink (Rock/Fairy)
125: Tauros
126: Miltank
127: Mareep
128: Flaaffy
129: Ampharos
130: Pinsir
131: Heracross
132: Pachirisu
133: Slowpoke
134: Slowbro
135: Slowking
136: Exeggcute
137: Exeggutor
138: Chatot
139: Mantyke
140: Mantine
141:
142:
143:
144: Remoraid
145: Octillery
146:
147: Chinchou
148: Lanturn
149: Alomomola
150: Lapras
151: [Probably Articuno]
152: [Probably Zapdos]
153: Moltres
001: Diglett
002: Dugtrio
003: Trapinch
004: Vibrava
005: Flygon
006: Gible
007: Gabite
008: Garchomp
009: Geodude
010: Graveler
011: Golem
012: Slugma
013: Magcargo
014:
015: Skorupi
016: Drapion
017: Wooper
018: Quagsire
019: Goomy (Dragon)
020: Sliggoo (Dragon)
021: Goodra (Dragon)
022: Karrablast
023: Escavalier
024: Shelmet
025: Accelgor
026: Bellsprout
027: Weepinbell
028: Victreebel
029: Carnivine
030: Gastly
031: Haunter
032: Gengar
033: Poliwag
034: Poliwhirl
035: Poliwrath
036: Politoed
037: Ekans
038: Arbok
039: Stunfisk
040: Barboach
041: Whiscash
042: Purrloin
043: Liepard
044: Poochyena
045: Mightyena
046: Patrat
047: Watchog
048: Pawniard
049: Bisharp
050: Klefki (Steel/Fairy)
051: Murkrow
052: Honchkrow
053: Foongus
054: Amoonguss
055: Lotad
056: Lombre
057: Ludicolo
058: Buizel
059: Floatzel
060: Basculin
061: Phantump (Ghost/Grass)
062: Trevenant (Ghost/Grass)
063: Pumpkaboo (Ghost/Grass)
064: Gourgeist (Ghost/Grass)
065: Litwick
066: Lampent
067: Chandelure
068:
069: Magnemite
070: Magneton
071: Magnezone
072: Voltorb
073: Electrode
074: Trubbish
075: Garbordor
076: Swinub
077: Piloswine
078: Mamoswine
079: Bergmite (Ice)
080: Avalugg (Ice)
081: Cubchoo
082: Beartic
083: Smoochum
084: Jynx
085: Vanillite
086: Vanillish
087: Vanilluxe
088: Snover
089: Abomasnow
090: Delibird
091: Sneasel
092: Weavile
093: Timburr
094: Gurdurr
095: Conkeldurr
096: Torkoal
097: Sandshrew
098: Sandslash
099:
100:
101:
102: Larvitar
103: Pupitar
104: Tyranitar
105: Heatmor
106: Durant
107: Spinarak
108: Ariados
109:
110:
111: Cryogonal
112: Skarmory
113: Noibat (Flying/Dragon)
114: Noivern (Flying/Dragon)
115: Gligar
116: Gliscor
117: Hoothoot
118: Noctowl
119: Igglybuff (???)
120: Jigglypuff (Normal/Fairy)
121: Wigglytuff (Normal/Fairy)
122: Shuppet
123: Banette
124: Zorua
125: Zoroark
126: Gothita
127: Gothorita
128: Gothitelle
129:
130:
131:
132: Teddiursa
133: Ursaring
134:
135:
136: Scyther
137: Scizor
138: Ditto
139: Swablu
140: Altaria
141: Druddigon
142: Deino
143: Zweilous
144: Hydreigon
145:
146:
147:
148: Xerneas (Fairy)
149: Yveltal (Dark/Flying)
150: Zygarde (Dragon/Ground)
151: Mewtwo
(Note: Bolds are the ones that got leaked).
01. Mega Venusaur (Grass/Poison)
02. Mega Charizard X (Fire/Dragon)
03. Mega Charizard Y (Fire/Flying)
04. Mega Blastoise (Water)
05. Mega Gengar (Ghost/Poison)
06. Mega Kangaskhan (Normal?)
07. Mega Gyarados (Water/Flying?)
08. Mega Aerodactyl (Rock/Flying)
09. Mega Mewtwo X (Psychic/Fighting)
10. Mega Mewtwo Y (Psychic)
11. Mega Ampharos (Electric/Dragon)
12. Mega Blaziken (Fire/Fighting)
13. Mega Mawile (Steel/Fairy)
14. Mega Absol (Dark)
15. Mega Garchomp (Dragon/Ground)
16. Mega Lucario (Fighting/Steel)
17. Mega Abomasnow (Grass/Ice)
18. Mega Gardevoir (Psychic/Fairy)
19. Mega Tyranitar (???) (Found as a balloon in the Super Training Facility, which confirms that it exists)
20. Mega Aggron (???) (Found as a balloon in the Super Training Facility, which confirms that it exists)

Rumored, but NOT CONFIRMED:
:: Arcanine
:: Druddigon
:: Galvantula

Current Status:

69 New 6th Gen + 20 MegaEvo's (counting X & Y versions as separate) = 89

The current Status of each area Dex is,

Central Dex: 150 Known (36 New) = 150
Coastal Dex: 147 Known (18 New), 6 Unknown = 153
Mountain Dex: 136 Known (15 New), 15 Unknown = 151

PICTURES OF ALL NEW POKEMON & CURRENT MEGA EVOLUTIONS
 
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Mr.Munchlax

Great Ball Rank Trainer
The only pokémon that I think for definite will be in the new pokédex are the ones that were in the states from the building in the trailer:
* Eevee line
* Dratini line
* Golett line
* Tympole line

 
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OceanicLanturn

Non non non!
From what I have remembered off my head, I think the confirmed pokemon is something like

- Pikachu (and Raichu)
- Magikarp (and Gyarados of course)
- Golurk (and Golett of course)
- Munchlax (and Snorlax)
- Kirlia (Ralts and Gardevoir confirmed. Gallade might be :3)
- Pansear (Simisear. It's almost confirmed that Panpour and Pansage are together, since they're so bromantic)
- Patrat (and Watchog)
- Litwick (Lampent, Chandelure)
- Psyduck (Golduck)
- Weavile (Sneasel) <At the scene when Audino uses Wish, go back a bit really fast.)
- Audino
- Mienfoo (Mienshao)
- Dratini (Dragonair, Dragonite)

Ooh above me. I don't really see what the statue was. Of course, that area might be post game XD

I'm hoping that we get all the beginning rodents in XY. It'd be really cool to have full rodent team (Raticate, Sentret, Zigzagoon, Bibarel, Watchog, XY Rodent)
 
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Bolt the Cat

Bringing the Thunder
The only pokémon that I think for definite will be in the new pokédex are the ones that were in the states from the building in the trailer:
* Eevee line
* Dratini line
* Golett line
* Tympole line

Most likely, but even that isn't definite yet. Statues and stuff like that is a good hint that they could be, but not confirmation. They've done stuff like this for non-native Pokemon before (for instance, the Dragonite skeleton in the Nacrene Museum). If there's any previous gen line that's even close to confirmed, it's Pikachu, since it's already been seen in the wild. That's still not confirmation, either, but since they probably won't be showing off post game Pokemon in the wild, I think Pikachu's a safe bet.
 

mockingjay

swift and lol
I really hope this time around they include (pre)evolutions from past generation Pokemon. That really annoyed me about gen 5
 

Bolt the Cat

Bringing the Thunder
Anyway, I don't think every single one of those Pokemon are in the regional dex, they could easily be showing off post game Pokemon. I think a lot of the ones that have been shown most likely are, but not all of them.
 

Ver-mont

Well-Known Member
Most likely, but even that isn't definite yet. Statues and stuff like that is a good hint that they could be, but not confirmation. They've done stuff like this for non-native Pokemon before (for instance, the Dragonite skeleton in the Nacrene Museum). If there's any previous gen line that's even close to confirmed, it's Pikachu, since it's already been seen in the wild. That's still not confirmation, either, but since they probably won't be showing off post game Pokemon in the wild, I think Pikachu's a safe bet.
I think the most glaring example is that huge Pikachu statue in Nimbasa when Pikachu itself is nowhere to be found in Unova.

I wouldn't say Pikachu is near confirmed. There were Pikachu things everywhere throughout Unova and it wasn't in either of the Dexes. But we'll find out in the coming months.
But it's different, we've seen it appearing as a wild Pokémon in the footage.
 

carboncopy

(-) (-) (-) (-)
Yeah but they could easily have done that just to show off their top dog. Everything seen in that trailer isn't final, they could change any of that before October.
we can't say anything from the trailer, since, they have mentioned it specifically that it may change.
btw, i just have a feeling that they may merge the regional and national pokedex into one.
 

Draknir

Fear the Deer
Just going by the trailer alone, I can see the following lines being in:

Magikarp Line
Golett Line
Munchlax Line
Ralts Line
Pansear Line
Patrat Line
Pichu Line
Litwick Line
Psyduck Line
Sneasel Line
Audino
Mienfoo Line
Dratini Line

But, as someone else pointed out, the trailer isn't final and nothing in it is set in stone aside from the starters. Of these, I can see Magikarp, Pichu, Psyduck, and their respective evolutions being in the regional dex simply because they've been in most of the past ones.
 

Zecaomes

Hey Scotty,Jesus Man
I guess there'll be a new evolution for Audino, and that's the reason it is there. I'm really happy for Litwick's line, love Chandelure. And Pikachu's comeback is also great!
 

ysmr97

Well-Known Member
Golurk is definately confirmed, with the statue of it in the city.
 

Oshakpop

Eeveelution Master
I really hope this time around they include (pre)evolutions from past generation Pokemon. That really annoyed me about gen 5
Seeming Unova appeared to be more of a "reboot" and the fact that BW were originally stand alone in the way that no other Pokémon were available at first. Meanwhile, this generation seems to have Pokémon from all generations, so it's likely I believe we will see some pre and evolutions from past Pokémon this generation.
 

ysmr97

Well-Known Member
Pikachu should've been in BW and B2W2 then because of all the Pikachu signs, statues and blow ups.
BUT, golurk was witnessed being battled!
 

gliscor&yanmega

Well-Known Member
It's hard to say what's going to be in the dex, but I hope some lesser Pokemon that haven't really been in much dexes before get to be in it this time(Houndour please, pretty sure Platinum was basically it's only dex, unless you want to include getting it post game in Gold and that, I think you could get it pre-post game in HG/SS but Safari Zone was too much for me in that game).

I would like Pikachu to not be in this, but I suppose one generation without it is good(I don't hate it or anything, I just like to see them feel no need to add the mascot into the game, beside statues and whatnot).

I want whatever new Pokemon to all be in the dex and none be post-game though.
 

rocky505

Well-Known Member
BUT, golurk was witnessed being battled!
And we saw scans of Butterfree and Scizor being battled in DP scans before DP came out and neither were in the DP dex, Scizor was in the Platinum one though. But them showing a pokemon in a video and not being in the game has happened before. They showed Dragonite in B2W2 videos and it wasn't in the dex.
 

Razmos

I have this sponge..
I'm hoping for a second evolution for Drifloon.
The evolutionary line doesn't feel complete to me. Drifloon is a balloon, Drifblim is a hot air balloon, so naturally, it would be assumed that next would be a Blimp pokemon.
Also Drifblim's stats suck considering it's a fully evolved Pokemon.

It's always nice to get more ghost types.
 
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