Did the writers outdo themslves with DP?

[Paul Ketchum]

DP is hailed by many as the best saga of the entire series. It had great characters, great battles, and a great story. Almost everything that was wrong with the show was greatly improved upon, and everything that it was missing was added. I honestly think the writers outdid themselves with DP and won't be able to capture that same magic again with BW.

What do you guys think?

 

[Silver_Seoul]

Argh. Why is everyone so biased to DP? First there's the whole "Shooti will never be good because Paul was the best rival ever so Shooti sucks lol." And now this. I understand DP was by far one of the best sagas of this show, but it is nowhere near perfection. It can and will be topped.

 

[Sayho1234]

I think that we should wait until BW is midway into the saga before we make judgments like this.

 

[Ash-kid]

They can. There are things to improve like gym battles, the girl's role, Team Rocket, and more.
The rival was almost perfect, but there were things I would like to see in BW that weren't in DP.

 

[PePer]

I don't think so. While DP improved several things from previous sagas, like character development, battles storyline, it still lacked few things on it's own, for example, rivals (Dawn's while May in AG had amazing rivals), I'm going to stop here, because I'm not picky, but writers definitely didn't outdo themselves, instead they should outdo themselves in BW, if they want to achieve better result than DP.

 

[Hercule]

What do you guys think?

There is a lot of room for improvement.
For example: I think D/P dragged on too long and wasn't funny at all.
I also didn't not like those contest episodes

 

[Mr. Joker]

No. There were plenty of places they could have improved in. They did a good job, but it was way to slow.

 

[Aquadon]

They didn't really know how to pace DP well. So while it was GOOD, it still has MAJOR room for improvement.

 

[Darkxninga]

There is a lot of room for improvement.
For example: I think D/P dragged on too long and wasn't funny at all.
I also didn't not like those contest episodes

i agree, the writers didn't outdo themselfs with dp. It lacked a lot of things and others could have been improved or had much room for improvement. It wasn't funny to me and doesn't hit "the best saga" imo. DP just was a long series that finally and really was Brocks last saga.

 

[Gaiash]

DP is hailed by many as the best saga of the entire series.

I am not one of them. I think it had it's good points but Hoenn and Kanto were much better arcs in my opinion.

It had great characters

So did every other arc. However DP also had Piplup which was annoying.

Almost everything that was wrong with the show was greatly improved upon

No Hoenn did that and Sinnoh brought two of the problems back. Dragging out the series and leaving a character in the background too much.

I honestly think the writers outdid themselves with DP and won't be able to capture that same magic again with BW.

I disagree. I think BW has surpassed DP in two episodes.

 

[Mr. Joker]

I disagree. I think BW has surpassed DP in two episodes.

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[Sandstormmaster]

I guess I'm in the minority, in this thread anyway, that agrees with Paul Ketchum. Hoenn was my last straw and I just stopped watching but DP really was fresh (again minority opinion in this thread) and brought me back to the show. BW seems ok but it's kind of sad that the best news of the show, to me, was that it'll be shorter.

Anyways it's up to each individual to make their choice. To each their own right?

 

[Kaika]

the pacing, character development, humor, and not having a bunch of rivals with hardly any personality are areas they could definitely improve on from Diamond and Pearl.

 

[Lorde]

Did the writers outdo themselves with the DP series? Of course! They went out of their way to do everything in DP horribly

That was sarcasm. In all seriousness, I actually liked DP. The writers tried very hard to save DP so it wouldn't go the way of it's counterpart (Johto) and I think it was a success. DP, while not my favorite saga so far, was certainly better than the saga before it in my opinion. The whole Contest thing got a little lame after a while and Ash's battles got a little repetitive since it seemed he won some by sheer luck, but it was a good series where the writers actually tried to come up with innovative characters and storylines.

 

[Sayho1234]

I disagree. I think BW has surpassed DP in two episodes.

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[Paul Ketchum]

I disagree. I think BW has surpassed DP in two episodes.

OK, I see a few people agreeing with this ridiculous statement.

So how exactly has BW surpassed DP in 2 episodes?

 

[BlueDragonfangirl]

It was a great series, I do think they'll top it with Best Wishes now too. For me, it keeps getting better and better as the series moves on. Paul was an awesome rival, my favorite, but who knows what they'll do with Shooti for all we know he could have a good storyline coming up. We've only just begun to see Ash/Shooti's rivalry to see if it will top Ash/Paul's I'm giving it a shot, could he be friendly this time? Who knows. There was one thing, ok two things I thought D/P could have worked on, people here said it already. Too many fillers between the last gym, we had to wait along time for Ash to get that last badge. Than, contests weren't that fun last year, so I am glad they got rid of them.

 

[Gaiash]

OK, I see a few people agreeing with this ridiculous statement.

So how exactly has BW surpassed DP in 2 episodes?

Let me list the ways

Iris
I liked Dawn but it was clear that they were trying to recreate May but make more more marketable. I didn't mind that but as a character she didn't really offer anything unique about her. Iris is a fantastic character being one of the most lively companions to date.

No Piplup
I've made it no secret that I don't like Dawn's Piplup. It being gone is an improvement by itself.

Team Rocket
I like Team Rocket's comedy but in DP it really was too much. Not to mention due to Wobbuffet and Mime Jr two slots in their teams were wasted by later episodes when the two of them really just stood there. Now their teams can start fresh like in Hoenn and they're actually being a real threat in a way besides "this trap can't be damaged by electric attacks" and even damaged Pikachu and Kibago enough that they needed to rush to the Pokemon Center. This is an improvement even over my favourite arc Hoenn.

The art
I love the new art style. Many changes are subtle but the changes you notice look amazing. I love the fact we can see Ash's eye colour all the time now and the attack effects are spectacular.

 

[Paul Ketchum]

Let me list the ways

Iris
I liked Dawn but it was clear that they were trying to recreate May but make more more marketable. I didn't mind that but as a character she didn't really offer anything unique about her. Iris is a fantastic character being one of the most lively companions to date.

How is Iris a fantastic character? For all we know, it could be downhill from here.

No Piplup
I've made it no secret that I don't like Dawn's Piplup. It being gone is an improvement by itself.

I disagree, I loved Piplup.

Team Rocket
I like Team Rocket's comedy but in DP it really was too much. Not to mention due to Wobbuffet and Mime Jr two slots in their teams were wasted by later episodes when the two of them really just stood there. Now their teams can start fresh like in Hoenn and they're actually being a real threat in a way besides "this trap can't be damaged by electric attacks" and even damaged Pikachu and Kibago enough that they needed to rush to the Pokemon Center. This is an improvement even over my favourite arc Hoenn.

They've only been serious in the first 2 episodes, they could easily go back to their old ways in the third. I didn't see anything wrong with TR's comedy in DP, I actually think it improved. Wobbuffet and Mime JR. were also pretty funny.

The art
I love the new art style. Many changes are subtle but the changes you notice look amazing. I love the fact we can see Ash's eye colour all the time now and the attack effects are spectacular.

There's barely any difference in the art, so factoring this in was pointless.

None of these can truly be seen as improvements since they all could be temporary. So you're statement about how BW has already surpassed DP is still ridiculous.

 

[Endoplasmic Reticulum]

The fact of the matter is the anime's writing is absolute trash. While DP wasn't bad in comparison to the other sagas, it still has a ton of flaws, and each and every saga can improve a lot.